Gray Tube Replication

[Ghst]

@ghst

can you show us a circuit diagram.....that attraction of your alligator clip to the CSET sounds like what dollard was getting in the videos on wireless transmission of power but with the light bulbs....and an aluminum strip if i remember right

Nat I ran wire from grids to induction coil. where I connected the grid wire to the coil I just clipped on a test lead (with alligator clip). The other end of the test leads alligator clip was touched to the outside, plastic container. As the capacitor charges up, the alligator clip will stick to the plastic housing of the CSET. This may or mat not happen if you have copper grids. I used small expanded metal mesh, and a gold plated steel rod for electrodes.

[Aaron]

coil shape

@everyone

Well, just to throw another piece of wood on the fire....

The coils in this pic do not look like the regular "popping" coils in his demo's. It actually looks like the popping coil is inside the larger gauge wire or am I seeing something else? Whatever's in the middle sure looks like it's not sticking out past the larger windings.

Those coils do resemble the overall motor coil shapes. What I found in my experiments is that the coil pulses so fast/sharp that the entire field seems to be focused at the diameter of the core. On a regular slower charged coil, the field is expanded over a larger area and you can get some good repulsion even a bit away from the core...with this effect, it seems that making the coil so that you maximize the core surface against core surface or core surface against a magnet the same shape as the core surface, you will capture the mechanical work optimally.

The coil popping ones in the article picture don't look to much different as far as the concept of a big fat core face.

[Aaron]

Congratulations Ghst!

Well Its curve Ball time! Let me pitch this to you. Remember I said I couldn't get the Discharge to happen inside the tube? Well , It did! And check out how I got it to happen. I hooked every thing up as before. but this time I connected the capacitor to the negative on the ignition coil. I connected 12V positive to the lowvoltage electrode with diodes arrows pointing toward the tube. Now the capacitor was charging Highvoltage was jumping to the grid. also I would get a few sparks to jump the gap into the low voltage side. Now I still couldn't get the capacitor to discharge inside the tube. So I connected a jumper wire like a branch between the load coil and off the grid wire. When the capacitor had charged this time It was over 1000V, I would touch off a puff spark to the low voltage. But but by accident, I let the alligator clip come into contact with the outside of the plactis tubes container and it was magnetically attracted to the grid because it stuck to the outside of the tube.Thats when It happened. a very fast bright flash from inside the tube and I heard the capacitor pop. The flash was either Blue or Green I'm not sure it happens so fast, but it was very bright. I let the capacitor start charging again and layed the clip on top of the tube and It did it again. I can actually feel the tube attracting the metal clip.

Congratulations - it seems like you got it.

It sounds like your cap is hooked up right this time but with your diagram you posted before, you show the coil is connected to the grids by the LV rod. What I'm getting to is that if the HV rod is closer to the grid than it is to the LV rod...just a little bit closer...the HV discharge from ignition coil almost is forced to hit the grid first before it can get to the LV rod...this way, you're forcing the collision between ignition coil and capacitor first then it gets to ground at LV side second.

Without modifying your grid, try this...simply move the HV rod so that it is cocked off at a small angle so it is just a hair closer to the grids...doing this, I doubt you'll need the jumper. This will bring the two positive potentials closer together and will make it easier for the collision before moving to the LV side.

It would probably work better for your setup if you had the grid only over the HV rod, then it is also ensured that the cap can discharge by being forced to hit the HV rod first before it's own way to ground at the LV rod.

You can make it work without your jumper method but based on your diagram and what you're describing, you're getting the effect.

Do you have a scope?

It is hard to tell what the magnetic attraction is to the jumper wire if you're using a grid made of ferrous metal.

[lamare]

I'm a bit lost...

768 volts is plenty to get the event inside the tube.

Hi Aaron and all,

I'm a bit lost in all the information on this thread.
Can you (someone?) point me / repost to the schematic you use to get the event inside the tube with just 768 Volts?

Regards,

-- Arend --

[lamare]

I have heard many speculate that 28 is a thyratron tube. Your theory is one I have considered as well. I think this is what happened in freeukpower's circuit. I have had somewhat similar results, but not nearly as pronounced as his. I cant figure out why it takes so many tries to get this to fire correctly. I realize everything has to be exactly right, but what is the "right" that takes so many times to get. Is it it spark timing? Spark duration? Capacitor charge? What's off when it doesn't fire? Are the caps having to get charged with radiant energy before they fire? This is why I think a radiant supply would make this work much better. But who knows.

As far as I can tell, the basic principle of the CSET is that the rods emit a longitudinal / scalar (shock) wave, which is captured by the grids. Apparantly, these kind of waves are capable of sucking power out of the vacuum, probably by separating positron-electron pairs that are out there "constantly popping in and out of existence" in the vacuum, according to Quantum theory.

I think "radiant energy" must be electricity using positrons as charge carriers instead of electrongs, which explains totally different behaviors.

As for the question "what is right?" - most likely the answer is in the rise / fall times of the voltage pulses on the rods. If the rods are to emit shockwaves, they have to rise/drop very suddenly, like within 10 nanosecs or so. See Tod Johnsons comments on: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/MKay5.pdf

Johnson is using a Marx generator to create a very fast-rising pulse.

Regards,

-- Arend --

[Ghst]

You can make it work without your jumper method but based on your diagram and what you're describing, you're getting the effect.

Yes, I'm getting the effect. The discharge is happening inside the tube. Actually, it is occurring between the grid and the spark gap mostly. It does sometimes occur at other points along the high voltage rod, between the rod and the inner grid. But the effect is automatic. I have got to get the effect to happen when I want it to happen. I have now had the effect to happen with discharge voltages ranging from 400V to 1500V with a series of discharges anywhere in between. But They do not happen immediately when I close the switch on the low voltage rod. I'm going to have to try different high voltage capacitor and try to get control over when and how powerful the discharge will be. A spontaneous discharge is no good, like a camera taking photos when it wants to. A discharge not happening at the proper time is useless.

[Ghst]

Ghst Schematic

Here is a link to my schematic. this is how I have it currently "Hooked Up".

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1778/ghstschema1.jpg

[lamare]

About colors of discharges

Hi all,

I just wanted to share with you some insight into the different colors you might see in sparks, etc.

Gas atoms emit light when they are "excited". That is: when the electrons that are circling around an atom core absorb some kind of energy (for example from an applied electric field) and jump into a higher orbit. At some point, the electrons will fall back into their original orbit and at then a photon (light) is emited.

The interesting thing about this proces is that the colors of the emited photons are very distinct for each and every kind of atom:

Spectra of Gas Discharges

For every atom, you see a pattern of lines, each line showing a distinct color pattern that specific atom is able to emit. This phenomenon is for example used by astronomers to determine the composition of a star, like our sun.

Sparks cause this specific effect in gas atoms within the gap. So, what could cause green sparks?

Oxygen:
Solar spectrum vs. auroral spectrum

This is how this looks when oxygen is excited high up in the air, in the so-called aura:

http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/Curtis/aurora/101300_2.jpg

Also see:
Why are there Colors in the Aurora?
"Different gases give off different colors when they are excited. Oxygen at about 60 miles up gives off the familiar yellow-green color, Oxygen at higher altitudes (about 200 miles above us) gives the all red auroras."


What causes auroras to have different colors?
"The chief constituents of the atmosphere are nitrogen (78 percent) and Oxygen ( 22 percent). The green light comes from the oxygen atoms being stimulated to emit light as the electrons collide with them and cause the oxygenic electrons to take quantum jumps. When the atoms de-excite, they emit light at a single frequency which we see as green. At 400 - 1000 kilometers above the ground, auroras first become visible but by about 100 kilometers, the atmosphere is too dense for the atoms to give of enough light between collisions among themselves. At lower altitudes, nitrogen emits with a faint blue color and a pinkish color."


So, when you see a green discharge event, you basically see the same thing as in a neon bulb, just another color because it is caused by excited oxygen atoms instead of neon atoms.

[Aaron]

circuit mods

Here is a link to my schematic. this is how I have it currently "Hooked Up".
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1778/ghstschema1.jpg

Just connect the LV side to the ground of the ignition coil and you should have it working better...it needs a straight ground to jump to in order to be reliable...when it works with the LV side going straight to ground, then you can worry about recovery and have a battery there...you can also remove the diode for now from the LV side if you just put it to ground.

When the cap is charged up, it should happen flawlessly when you close the LV switch.

When you do put a + to the LV side with a diode...it will for example be a + on a battery while the (-) of the battery is going to the common ground like at the ignition coil ground. Putting it straight to the + on the ignition coil isn't really the same thing.

[nat1971a]

@ghst

thanks for the circuit.

If i understand your post correctly then the plastic CSET case is acting as a conductor as that is when your capacitor discharged

[Ghst]

@ghst

thanks for the circuit.

If i understand your post correctly then the plastic CSET case is acting as a conductor as that is when your capacitor discharged

Yes, but it may have been coincidental. After noticing that there was a magnetic attraction there, I decided to toy around with it a little. I've noticed that at some point Grey stopped putting the FFF around the motor and started putting it around the CSET. So I'm tinkering with the winding around my CSET to see if there are noticeable benefits. And Its a handy place to wind a inductor to charge the capacitor.

[lamare]

Chemical bond energy example ), and in the order of a thousand times the energy binding an electron to its nucleus ( Electron binding energy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediahttp://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/MKay5.pdf

[Raui]

Lamare,
I like your thoughts on the grey tube. Still constructing my grey tube I can't speculate with results I have personally obtained however I have kept a fair close eye on everyone's progress (which is awesome by the way guys ). I can't say if I agree with you or Aaron about the 'exploding 90 degree potentials' however if you are correct I do have an idea which you might like.

In the thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=3950, boguslaw states that he believes that voltage is just electrons in their lowest energy, or wave, state. At first I thought this was absurd however I thought about it and now I actually don't mind that theory. One thing that could be happening here is the potential is staying within the tube and the succession of the following events creates the longitudinal waves which when they hit the grids due to interference create electrons. This could explain why Tesla observed current in copper when they were hit with radiant energy.

Just some food for thought,
Raui

[Ghst]

I pitched a Double!

I rebuilt my voltage chopper I'm using a small AC motor to drive a lobed wheel that is opening and closing automotive ignition points. I bought a new condenser, and set it all up. I can turn it by hand and get sparks to jump from the extended ignition coil shroud to the positive and negative connectors on the same coil about 3 to 4 inches. Any way the added power is helping the burst effect in the tube. I slipped a poly-grommet onto the high voltage rod and get two seperate bursts at one time.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7489/doubleblastnewchopper.jpg

The one on the left is at the spark gap the othre is at the grommet. So you can induce multiple bursts at one time inside the CSET. But I have to find another material, A Later burst set the grommet on fire. I'm still tinkering!

[boguslaw]

Lamare,
I like your thoughts on the grey tube. Still constructing my grey tube I can't speculate with results I have personally obtained however I have kept a fair close eye on everyone's progress (which is awesome by the way guys ). I can't say if I agree with you or Aaron about the 'exploding 90 degree potentials' however if you are correct I do have an idea which you might like.

In the thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=3950, boguslaw states that he believes that voltage is just electrons in their lowest energy, or wave, state. At first I thought this was absurd however I thought about it and now I actually don't mind that theory. One thing that could be happening here is the potential is staying within the tube and the succession of the following events creates the longitudinal waves which when they hit the grids due to interference create electrons. This could explain why Tesla observed current in copper when they were hit with radiant energy.

Just some food for thought,
Raui

Exactly Raui, exactly. I think that voltage or rather potential are electrons in wave state. Moreover I state that Tesla knew about it, he knew also how to treat them to not cancel their potential by chaotic interference but create stationary wave between transmitter and receiver. Moreover Steven Mark realized that he can push a little so made stationary wave and it will rotate with incredible speed on closed conductor surface.
Maybe Ed Leedscalnin even knew about them better then Tesla and they are wave which has rotation imprinted . That rotation will be ... yes spin !
So according to Leedscalnin we have a wave with rotation and second wave with counter rotation coming from second terminal of power source canceling or "eating" the first one.Killing the dipole!

Now if that wave rotate in always the same direction we have in every moment two kinds of elementary wave part , depending on angle to the flow direction of wave.One is electric ,the second - magnetic. Or one is transverse and second is longitudinal. Longitudinal is probably magnetic, transverse is probably electric. Both are just waves in surrounding medium