Gray Tube Replication

[BroMikey]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-KOgU9n78[/VIDEO]

The 14th is my birthday so I'll consider it a present.

Gonna study this and then decide what I should do.

This is my favorite subject. High Voltage has me spell bound.

Mikey

[Aaron]

Gray Tube and Plasma Ignition

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-KOgU9n78[/VIDEO]

[Aaron]

gray tube and plasma ignition

@Mikey and all, here is a video that I made today to show the basic analogy between the Gray Tube switching method and my particular version of the Plasma Ignition.

@Mark McKay, I saw you post in the other forum and thought you posted a similar update here, but can't find it now. Anyway, if the power supply is thought to be the source of the energy gain where would it come from? It seems it is an air gap transformer acting as a high frequency radiant oscillator that charges the cap with the high voltage radiant spikes. That in itself shouldn't show a gain. However, what we do know, is that if we take those spikes and charge a capacitor, it conditions it so it acts like an electret where it will show great self charging ability after each recharge so it doesn't take much from a power supply to charge it up. That is a real, legitimate free energy gain that hasn't been discussed in relation to the Gray Motor that I've seen.

Although the Gray Tube may be a red herring, it does have an effect in principle that massively increases the power and coupled with a real free energy gain in the capacitor that is conditioned by the radiant output from the power supply, that is what I think the Gray Motor secret comes down to.

What I know from all of my experiments so far is that the switching method that is the same as the Gray Tube is the only thing that gives any unconventional results and that is the negative resistance that accelerates the discharge from the LV source. If the same applies to a battery discharging over a gap to charge an inductor, then I think we have the basic operating method for what Marvin Cole was really doing.

In the video below, I show the direct mirror image analogy between the Gray Tube switching method and my particular version of the Plasma Ignition. I have already proven that with capacitors used as the LV source, their discharge is accelerated thereby giving an enormous power increase. If we can ionize a gap enough so that a battery can discharge over to pulse an inductor, then we will have an even more ridiculously high current fast impulse to run a motor.

If you're setup to charge a cap to 4000v at a fairly fast enough rate and want to see if there is some validity to this idea, let me know and I'd really look forward to helping to setup this experiment with you to see if there is something to it.

[Aaron]

gray tube

Slowly I am beginning to understand this experiment. What is your patent number again? I am guessing that the Patent uncovers the reasoning for some practical device. This way I can get my head on straight and see the possible use.

Not sure how special my own contributions are - just adding my own contributions along with everyone else - having fun with my own experiments! lol

The patent is worthless to try to understand any of this. Remember, I had no participation in its creation.

This diagram shows the similarity between the Gray Tube patent concept and the plasma ignition. I'll see if I can do a video soon to show it on the whiteboard what I mean.

[BroMikey]

Thank again Aaron

Slowly I am beginning to understand this experiment. What is your
patent number again? I am guessing that the Patent uncovers
the reasoning for some practical device. This way I can get my
head on straight and see the possible use.

Plasma ignition?

I know you are busy and doing the very best you can with
what you have to work with. Great job. I won't question
you.

You have proven to me and thousands of others that we can
not do without you.

Great progress on the ERIC project and special hello to all the
gang out there busting their backs to make it work.

The pictures are great to have.

Mikey

[Aaron]

blocking diode

If you have a diode there as shown and switch it into the circuit, C1 can then discharge to that rod. For a brief moment, the diode does not block anything and is completely open. It only closes AFTER the cap discharges to that rod. When that diode closes, the only other path to ground is over to the grids through the inductor and back to ground.

The gap between both rods must be smaller than the gap between the rods and the grids. That way, rod to rod is the preferred path. And a diode is not a blocking diode until it is meaning it is open until something jumps into it giving a higher voltage on the cathode than anode. It's tricking the HV to jump there so to speak.

This video shows the exact reality to what I'm trying to explain above:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j-gVvNk8zo[/VIDEO]

What is your exact goal/experiment you're trying to do and maybe I can give you a more simplified diagram?

I've worked some with a prototype of this circuit, and I still don't understand the opposing diode attached to the switch (S1) or "event trigger" and LV rod. When I used a diode in the configuration shown, no current would flow at all. Is there a special type of diode used to allow an impulse?

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[skaght]

I've worked some with a prototype of this circuit, and I still don't understand the opposing diode attached to the switch (S1) or "event trigger" and LV rod. When I used a diode in the configuration shown, no current would flow at all. Is there a special type of diode used to allow an impulse?


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[David G Dawson]

Mark,
Are you familiar with this one from Joel McLain?:

Energy Producing Coil

Still see an attraction to the EV Gray technology and so too some others.
Something there we all find fascinating and keeps pulling us back into the fold.

Working on the De Aquino 'Gravitational Energy into Electrical Energy' device and nearing a power up stage.

Smokey

[Aaron]

ignition coil

Hi Mike,

The #1 and #2 coil are simply a primary and secondary of a standard ignition coil. That diagram is a basic autotransformer type.

Coil #3 was a basic little spool of wire as a choke - used similar to the Stan Meyer VIC on the other side of the "blocking diode".

The only place the HV from the ignition coil output goes is through that high voltage diode (or diode string) to charge up C1 but the HV spark also jumps the grids to charge the cap C2 behind the inductor. That was an old experiment where I was first getting the big plasma burst effect in the tube... that is not the method I used later on.

The front side is simply an oscillator to charge C1. The ignition coil output is about 20kv, but ideally, it would be wound so the secondary only puts out about 5kv and I think it can oscillate a lot faster if so. I did figure out something about how to turn a fairly conventional center tap transformer into a radiant oscillator at high speed, but I don't want to post anything about that until I can show some good tests. That is what I believe is necessary to charge C1 at super fast speed.

Anyway, gap from the long HV rod should be far enough away from the grids and the voltage from the oscillator output should be low enough so that it doesn't jump to the grids but only sits there and keeps C1 charged up.

Therefore, whenever you do want the event, you use a commutator or something to close close S1 and C1 jumps to the LV rod. Instead of C3 being a capacitor, ideally it would be a battery bank 12 or 24 volts. I used a capacitor there because at a few hundred volts, it is easier for it to jump the gap instead of a battery 12 or 24 volts jumping the gap... but if we have the gap ionized enough, I think the battery can jump the gap giving an ultra high current impulse beyond what a capacitor can give.

[BroMikey]

Here is what I am thinking. The 3055 can sustain a max voltage of around 60v RMS not counting the reverse spikes. If coil number 1 is anywhere from 30-130 feet that might represent the oscillator section of a standard SSSG, next is step up coil number 2, that appears to be approx anywhere from double the first guess of 60-260 feet of wire, next is the blocking diode and I think it doesn't matter to the transistor what size coil 3 is. But then I don't know either.

Either way with all of that wire the first 2 coils can not go much above 60 volts before it goes up in smoke.

So lets say that the first 2 coils are operating at 60-80 volts max by the time it hits the diode, next is coil 3 and after that is at least 2000 volts. So that means that coil 3 should be very long. But coil 1 and 2 are very short say a hundred feet while coil 3 is 1000 feet.

This is my best guess and the only way I can see how this circuit will produce 2000-4000 volts without smoking the 3055.

Thanks for your time and listening to me ramble. Your circuit is simple and a good experiment for guys who like oscillators.

I know you did this years ago and are probably tired of talking about the same ole repeats. I'll keep reading.

Mike

[BroMikey]

Here is just some of my thoughts of where to go with this for simplicity sake:

I am wondering if you remembered what that transistor number was?

In the diagram you have a solid state SSSG circuit and THEN an additional added on very long coil. Doesn't the transistor sustain a much higher reverse spike WITH the additional coil to produce the HV??

I have a MJL4281a that is only good for 350v but I see some transisitors go to 1200volts.

Let me know. Your output was some god awful HV, like 2000 volts so that might play hell on a transistor.

I have some TV parts that are rated 1200volts. The thing is everytime I let my circuit run up in voltage to say even 100volts a MJL21194 goes boom.

And these MJL4281a will probably do the same thing at about 200 volts. So you see what I am saying? How in the world did you go to the HV without popping your transistor? It shows a 3055 but how can that be?

Mike

[Spokane1]

Oops!

Hello Mark,

P.S. I have received the copper foil to build my second generation Hackenberger Transformer with an integral capacitor as part of the primary.

Rereading some of the EV Gray dialogue and saw this PS from you - how did it go?
This is close to what I keep talking about in an integrated inductor capacitor and was interested in your organisation - how do they both fit together?
Do believe that this is what a Tesla Magnifying Transmitter (TMT) is also all about.

Smokey

Sorry David,

I didn't address all of your questions. I completely focused on what is happening with the PS.

I have given up on the integrated capacitor concept. At the time (2014 Conference) I was attempting to understand why there were six(6) primary leads. Well there are two center tapped primaries to account for these leads that now make a whole lot more sense. The primaries are still composed of copper foil and as a result present a capacitance to the MOSFET's.

There may be another reason why it was done this way. In some of my experiments with a single primary I have noticed that under different loading conditions and dead band settings there is an RF burst created that is reflected to the primary. I don't know if this is important or not. If one believes that a Nuclear Magnetic Resonance process is involved then this RF burst would be very important and would have to be tuned to the proper frequency to re-align the electron spin to extract energy from them. But who knows?

As far as a Tesla Magnifying Transmitter is concerned, that was done with delay lines. (At least according to the Corum brothers). The secondary of this transformer is would bifilar (according to Al Francouer) and this is the foundation of a delay line. This could be how an RF burst could be generated with a single pulse. However, from my study of delay line oscillators this whole transformer has much to short of a delay time to be useful. Short length delay lines start working well between 100 MHz and 500 MHz. (at least according to the book I have on the subject). This is way beyond the limits of the core material. The high inductance of the secondary seems to preclude very high frequencies. Magnifying circuits that are based upon resonate rise are always air core designs operating at several hundred kHz. The terminal capacitance is very low, like a couple of nF. In this Gray technology we are working with capacitance loadings of 5 to 100 uF. I just don't see how these component dimensions can support a Magnifier kind of operation, but I could be wrong.

Mark McKay, PE

[Spokane1]

The Hackenberger Transformer

Hello Mark,

P.S. I have received the copper foil to build my second generation Hackenberger Transformer with an integral capacitor as part of the primary.

Rereading some of the EV Gray dialogue and saw this PS from you - how did it go?
This is close to what I keep talking about in an integrated inductor capacitor and was interested in your organisation - how do they both fit together?
Do believe that this is what a Tesla Magnifying Transmitter (TMT) is also all about.

Smokey

Dear David,

Pardon me for such a slow response but things have been so slow on this thread that I don't check in but once a month.

I'm presently doing hardware experiments with a complete Hackenberger transformer design. What makes it complete is that it has two primaries opposed to each other. During the last conference I was telling everyone that at the time I thought there was only one primary. However a simple look at the Pulse Motor Patent and re-reading the text confirmed to me that two primaries were employed. That is why they had two identical power supplies arranged in pairs.

I would guess that they took the ignition coils out of the cans and placed them end-to-end so that the magnetic fields would oppose. Something interesting must happen here when the primary is suddenly cut off - like in the Bedini system. The 1979 Hackenberger transformer (as presented at the Conference) is an advanced design that operates at a higher frequency, but not to high. Even though the yoke is made of ferrite the core is something else. (according to Al Francouer) According to the GD transcript they were using common core materials. Well that means there was only four (4) materials available. Silicon Steel, 55% Nickel steel, 70% Nickel Steel, and Ferrite.

Silicon steel is what is used in ignition transformers and is good up to 400 Hz. 55% Nickel Steel is good up to 10 kHz. Mr. Hackenberger was probably using this with his 1975 "Static" Generator that operated at 6 kHz. I doubt that they went beyond this frequency. Ferrite can operate up to 100 kHz (and higher these days) but its ability to store magnetic energy is about 1/10 of what Silicon Steel can hold. Since this is a fly-back process then magnetic field storage is probably a big factor.

I must admit that my present setup is all Ferrite. I still learning how this circuit works and what all the wave forms mean. But I least I now have the opposing primaries. Opposing primaries sure degrade the classical performance when compared to a single primary, but this is to be expected since the magnetic flux path that promotes transformer action is all messed up.

Another factor is "dead band". This is the time delay between one switching MOSFET turning On and the next one turning on. I suspect that this is where
we will find the non-classical behavior. Right now I can observe an interesting second secondary voltage output spike whose magnitude is a function of the dead band timing. To little then no spike, to much and again no spike. Its magnitude is about 90% of the observed voltage when one MOSFET turns off. I shall pay close attention to this waveform to see how it changes with a silicon steel core and much higher current pulses. I didn't notice this event with a single primary. Right now I'm working with 10% dead band and 6 Amp pulses.

It is interesting, but one of Don Smith designs is about 85% of this Hackenberger design, as far as the transformer configuration goes. He was working at much higher input voltages and it seemed to resemble more Tesla coil technology. This is a low voltage input process (to maximize flux density) that yields 3kV to 5kV output pulses when applied to an open circuit or a fully charged capacitor.

Now that it is colder I will be spending more time with experimentation and less time cleaning up the barn.

Really I'm just getting started in what needs to be explored with this technological approach.

Mark McKay, PE

[Bob Smith]

Goodness you have put your mind to this. Aaron this is worth saving for your other book too.

Pre-iozing + nitro, shortening the time, self charging cap and tube, negative resistance shooting straight across the battery, shooting an inductor full of the good stuff and the magic begins.

What a mouth full. Glad you got it together like you do, I am still spinning on that one. Isn't it something when you get wound up to explain all of the detail in a breath?

I keep my ears up for nuggets like that one.

Mike

That's a real gem of a post - thanks Aaron. Words to remember.
Bob

Another gain mechanism that appears as more of a power increase, but seems to lead to a real energy gain is the ability for these low voltage high current discharges to discharge across a gap that is pre-ionized with high voltage. The discharge of the LV source appears to be discharging with no resistance to hold it back so the time impulse is shortened way beyond what is normally possible.

Just reducing the time looks to be more of a power increase where we take the same joules of potential and discharge them into a shorter period of time. However, with these very sharp gradient events, it seems that this type of polarization of the aether (break in the symmetry of vacuum energy potential) does have overunity effects where more of this environmental source potential pours into the system than normal.

[BroMikey]

Wow Me

Goodness you have put your mind to this. Aaron this is worth saving for your other book too.

Pre-iozing + nitro, shortening the time, self charging cap and tube, negative resistance shooting straight across the battery, shooting an inductor full of the good stuff and the magic begins.

What a mouth full. Glad you got it together like you do, I am still spinning on that one. Isn't it something when you get wound up to explain all of the detail in a breath?

I keep my ears up for nuggets like that one.

Mike

One gain mechanism I believe is definitely the electret effect that happens to the caps.

Another gain mechanism that appears as more of a power increase, but seems to lead to a real energy gain is the ability for these low voltage high current discharges to discharge across a gap that is pre-ionized with high voltage. The discharge of the LV source appears to be discharging with no resistance to hold it back so the time impulse is shortened way beyond what is normally possible.

Just reducing the time looks to be more of a power increase where we take the same joules of potential and discharge them into a shorter period of time. However, with these very sharp gradient events, it seems that this type of polarization of the aether (break in the symmetry of vacuum energy potential) does have overunity effects where more of this environmental source potential pours into the system than normal.

So far with the experiments I did with the tube, I couldn't tell a difference between having the tube or having the rods/grid point out in the open. However, I'm on a much smaller scale than Gray. If we step that up, I think an insulated tube could possible contain the ionized gases much better and could be actually useful - won't know until I test at a much larger scale.

I think the tube could serve that function possibly more than being a capacitor itself.

Once the HV moves away from the LV rod and moves towards the grids, it ionizes whatever gas is there and makes it very positively charged like ionized nitrogen mostly - if we assume it only had ambient air gases in it. If the air can be ionized enough, a battery will conduct straight across that gap with an ultra fast discharge at negative resistance and I think that is where the magic is in powering the inductor - based just on the Gray Tube patents, Bedini's diagrams and the analogy of what we know about the plasma impulse ignition tests.