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  • nat1971a
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    Bring on the AMPS

    Bring on the AMPS!!!

    ON LIGHT AND OTHER HIGH FREQUENCY PHENOMENA*

    "If I connect an insulated metal plate P, Fig. 11, to one of the terminals T of the induction coil by means of a wire, though this plate be verv well insulated, a current passes through the wire when the coil is set to work. First I wish to give you evidence that there is a current passing through the connecting wire. An obvious way of demonstrating this is to insert between the terminal of the coil and the insulated plate a very thin platinum or german silver wire w and bring the latter to incandescence or fusion by the current. This requires a rather large plate of else current impulses of very high potential and frequency. Another way is to take a coil C, Fig. 11, containing many turns of thin insulated wire and to insert the same in the path of the current to the plate. When I connect one of the ends of the coil to the wire leading to another insulated plate P1, and its other end to the terminal T1 of the induction coil, and set the latter to work, a current passes through the inserted coil C and the existence of the current may be made manifest in various ways. For instance, I insert an iron core i within the coil. The current being one of very high frequency, will, if it be of some strength, soon bring the iron core to a noticeably higher temperature, as the hysteresis and current losses are great with such high frequencies"

    In summary
    large insulated plate or/and higher voltage

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  • Bodkins
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    Originally posted by DavidE View Post
    Bodkins

    I have just one question for you today. Do you see compelling shapes of phenomena floating in your cereal bowl in the morning?

    Had a grapefruit because its a sphere
    @lidmotor my veiws on cap charging
    YouTube - Bodkins 11 BEDINI IMHOTEP TESLA

    AC thanks for the info will study it

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  • DavidE
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    Bodkins

    I have just one question for you today. Do you see compelling shapes of phenomena floating in your cereal bowl in the morning?

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  • Allcanadian
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    I made this post at OU.com (The Tesla project)a while ago and thought it might help explain the nature of the energy you are dealing with.
    @All
    I think there are many people here who have built and experimented with tesla's Patent 568177 and most if not all have been left with one single question-----Why? What is the purpose? They might say "I have currents of high potential and frequence now what?". My understanding came only after I understood the nature of what I was dealing with, that is what qualities does this current have in relation to other currents. I think I outlined the qualities well enough in my last post and I think we should be familiar with Tesla's ozone patent so we will take the next step ---- utilization of the currents in the secondaries.
    To take the next step we need to put aside EM induction and concentrate on Electrostatic Induction. Here is a good link to the general process-----http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_induction . At this link there is a picture of an electroscope which I have posted here, a (+) charged wand is brought near the electroscope charging the upper conductor ( - )negative. Next a potential difference(charge seperation) occurs in the electroscope conductor, if the (+) foil leaves inside the electroscope are grounded then the electroscope conductor could be said to have a "net" negative charge, making the wand and electroscope a capacitor. I see this a little different, the (+) charged wand produces a ( - )negative field around itself as all forces must balance, the electroscope enters the negative field and is charged negatively producing the charge seperation.
    In the circuit below (lower right) we have Tesla's Patent 568177, the secondaries L2 have high potential/high frequency currents alternating, that is one end of the secondaries will be charged positive then negative and back to positive repeatedly at a high frequency and high potential. In the one instance shown, one end of the secondaries L2 is positive, I see this positive end as expanded electrons. The capacitor C2 is connected to the positive secondary L2, the diode only allows potential to flow in one direction so the positive plate of C2 will never be charged negative. I am using electron flow notation (negative flows to positive) so all of this may seem confusing, think of negative as tightly packed electrons(compressed) and positive as loosely packed electrons(expanded)---- each flows to the other equally. Now think of the electroscope, the positive plate of C2 is the wand and the negative plate of C2 is the top of the electroscope. In order for the forces to balance in C2 electrons must flow through ground through the battery (B2) charging it and into the negative plate of C2, the battery (B2)charges because its potential is 12 volts and the potential at C2 is thousands of volts. If there was no ground you would only have a charge seperation in the circuit but you would not have a "net" charge on the negative plate of C2, just like in the electroscope example. We should understand that the only current flow is from ground to the negative plate of C2, the positive plate of C2 has no current it has a "static" charge not unlike a statically charged balloon might have. When the capacitor C2 has equalized its charge on both plates the DPDT relay switches over and the high potential on C2 charges the battery (B2) again . L2 must then recharge the positive plate of C2 with potential. The battery has been charged twice and all you have done is charge one plate of a capacitor on C2. You may have figured out that there could be many capacitors at the position where capacitor C2 is as well the circuit outlined by the red box could be replicated many times over on one end of the secondary L2. The secondary L2 also has two ends , each having a changing potential as such both ends can be utilized. I believe this process is what many inventors have refered to as using potential only, no current as current will only discharge the source of the potential. There is also an issue of electrical inertia in the battery (B2) which must be considered in the timing of this circuit, but things get a little complicated so there is no need to confuse the issue at this point. This is the only explanation I have for what I have seen in my circuits, the battery B2 charges and is equalized periodically with the other battery B1 and both charge.
    Regards
    AC
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  • Bodkins
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    Originally posted by DavidE View Post
    Tesla French Kiss

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  • DavidE
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    Shapes & Flows

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  • Bodkins
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    lights connects to negative on the scope not coil at 1 minute 30 i say coil i mean scope!


    YouTube - Bodkins 10 BEDINI IMHOTEP TESLA

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  • nat1971a
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    @lidmotor

    just a thought...try your original pie tin upside down.....just curious to see if there is difference or not as that would sort of look like wardencliff tower

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  • Bodkins
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    @Nat
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    I have also switched to a ground aluminum plate as per what Tesla shows in the patent. That seems to work a little better too.
    Aluminum in the GROUND Nat?
    Uploading video Connect the fluorescent tube to trigger then Ground of the scope.
    Last edited by Bodkins; 10-06-2008, 09:50 AM.

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  • nat1971a
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    @lidmotor

    I haven't had a lot of time for experimenting as of late. I am in the middle of testing out different caps...I tried 8000uf and that charged way too slow and i tried a 470uf cap and that seemed ok. So i guess somewhere in b/w is the sweet spot for my circuit. Whether this applies for your circuit who knows. There is only one way to find out.

    My insulated plates are much bigger than what your are using too. And they are approximately 10 feet in the air on the roof of the garage. The height and size of the plates plays are part in all this.

    I have also switched to a ground aluminum plate as per what Tesla shows in the patent. That seems to work a little better too.

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  • Lidmotor
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    Lidmotor "Blue Plate Special"

    Thanks guys for all the tips. Now I got a problem. I have the little energy "bugs" trapped in a capacitor but every time I open the jar they fly away. There is a bunch of em (volts) but they are little tiny buggers (no amps).
    Today I cut the bottom out of the pie tin , insulated it, and stuck it right inside the Lunch Box. I then stepped back and turned the sucker on and waited for a big smoky explosion. Nothing happen except a ton of volts came flying out. I grabbed a big cap and caught em but now what? They refuse to go into anything else.
    Nat, I tried a hollow tin foil ball before I put the plate in the box and also several different coils of wire. Nothing worked as good as that aluminum pie tin. My antenna arrangement is just picking up "local energy" off the box circuit. Bodkins when I got done with the experiment and I was putting things away I noticed that I could make the 2 CFL lights come on by touching them. They were both turned off. They would not stay on if I let go but it was still strange to see it.

    Here is the "Blue Plate Special" video
    YouTube - Lidmotor "Blue Plate Special"

    Lidmotor

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  • eastcoastwilly
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    Hi Lidmotor,

    You guys all are doing tremendous research, well done. Manyany people who are into listening to Shortwave Radio use a Slinky as an antenna to improve reception. I don't know if would be possible for you to get your hands on one as an experiment and play around with it. The antenna picks up frequencies in the upside of 7 Mhz, is there anything in that range with the experiment your working, or would it be different that the aluminum pie plate... on I dunno but it would cost $3.00 or so to find out

    Here's a link for a bit more info Slinky

    Good Luck and keep up the great work everyone !!

    Will

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  • sirmikey1
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    Lidmotor,

    I like were this thread is now going.

    This may turn out to be your desert box.
    Would be interesting to see if a sphere would contain the energy.

    You may also want to look very closely at Roy Meyers Absorber Patent to see if something may suddenly dawn on you. I attached images. He understood this loose or radiant energy as needing to be aligned to magnetic north, which is obviously just utilzing the earth's EMF spin to produce current utilizing this scattered energy, loose cannon. Zinc bars, magnets, and iron wire are used in what appears to be an "Absorber" or "Concentrator". The iron wire obviously gives you this long magnetic flux field. The zinc has strong electronegativity, sucks/draws the energy into the circuit. He coils the iron wire around the magnets which then becomes the hot wire, output, and there's your "cell". I get lost there, to connect/apply your energy to it, but the second image, the v-shaped zinc, seems to be the way to go, maybe all aligned to magnetic north.

    The main point here would be that he found ways to align/tweak/concentrate the energy (75amps).

    Roy J. Meyers: Absorber (Atmospheric Electrical Generator)
    Better Images Here: Chapter7.pdf

    SM
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  • Bodkins
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    Originally posted by nat1971a View Post
    GDAY!

    @Lidmotor

    Without a doubt the sphere is the way to go as it will induce pressure evenly over its surface.

    The big question is how big does it need to be.

    And what to do with the recovered energy.
    Charging a 3rd battery is the only way i see us holding on to the potential we have in our hands.
    Im hoping i can get a little imhotep fan running off the cap to charge the 3rd Battery.
    Anyone for Cake!

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  • nat1971a
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    GDAY!

    @Lidmotor

    Without a doubt the sphere is the way to go as it will induce pressure evenly over its surface.

    The big question is how big does it need to be.

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