Electric Motor Secrets

[nali2001]

Ecklin's real work

Thanks for the reply Peter,
I have always wondered if Ecklin actually build/test 'his' devices.
I mean look at this one:
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin9.jpg
I mean the thing is 12" wide and 36" !! High, totally made from laminates and needs an air gap of less! than 0.003". There is no way in life that one can build that in their garage, that big and accurate fully from laminates...! So I always wonder with these descriptions If he really did test these things. But from what you said I guess he did not. Ok, a real motor factory will have no problem with this motor they just stamp 1 million laminated shapes for you once the dies are made. But it will probably be beyond the financial capability of a home experimenter.

As you can see half down this page, the EBM machine uses also a reluctance switching principle.
Leslie Szabo, Energy by Motion, over-unity, free energy generator

http://www.rexresearch.com/szabo/wo9213.jpg

EBM (Energy By Motion) machine

Steven

[Peter Lindemann]

Ecklin designs and more...

Steven,

Thanks for putting these links up for people to study. The problem with most of the Ecklin designs is that they DON'T work the way Ecklin imagined they would. He was primarily a theorist, not a model maker. He did NOT test most of these designs. During this period, I was working with Bruce DePalma and Michael Knox in Santa Barbara, California. Either Michael Knox and I or someone else in Bruce's larger circle tried every one of these designs. Many of them, especially the ones with the AC coil and the DC coil on the same piece of iron, don't work! The DC field is too strong in the local area and even opening and closing the gap with the rotating iron piece causes almost NO FLUX CHANGE in the AC coil. In some cases, special changes had to be made to the circuits to make them work at all. But then it wasn't an Ecklin design anymore.

The second set of designs you posted are much better, but they too have loading sensitivities. If you put a simple resistive load on the output of these generators, they experience much of the same back EMF drags as a standard generator. Lenz Law is tricky to side step, but it can be done. If you diode block the electricity generation on the magnetizing cycle and only draw power out of the coil during the field collapse, the system works better. With other minor modifications, the performance of this style of generator can be excellent.

Its good for some of the newbies in the group to understand that the ideas I am presenting are well established in the literature, and people have been working on solving these efficiency issues for decades.

Thanks again for the links. This is the material people should be thinking about and experimenting with if the cost of electricity is to be reduced to a tenth of its current cost.

Peter

[nali2001]

Other permanent magnet reluctance machine

Other permanent magnet reluctance machine

http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Gen/002.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Gen/003.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Gen/001.jpg

Steven

[nali2001]

Some old variable reluctance 'Ecklin' info.

Some old variable reluctance 'Ecklin' info.

http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin9.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin7.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/hyperv1.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/hyperv2.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/hyperv3.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/garrett1.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/garrett2.jpg

http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin2.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin3.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin4.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin5.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin6.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin8.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin10.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin11.jpg

Steven

[future pather]

Peter,

No problem. It was obviously a deviation from the thread topic, but I felt your words:

dishonesty will be out of fashion. . . people will want to live together in peace and cooperation.

Caring for others, speaking your truth, and living in integrity is the beginning of this future.

allowed for what I wrote.

I would never want to take away from what you are doing with motors, etc. God knows I can't!

But the clips I posted give what I feel is an excellent overview of a big problem when it comes to world economics and freedom AND it provides a solution. The speaker seems very confident it would work. That positive message seemed worthwhile to me but if you don't feel "attracted" to checking it out, I hold nothing against you

-Jessica

[Peter Lindemann]

Relationship of Air-gap to Power

Dear Sykavy,

You asked "Could the gap be wider if we made a stronger electro-magnetic pulse?"

Yes, in the motors I have now, the gap is wider. The motor still runs but is weaker. Making the magnetic field stronger makes the motor run faster and stronger, but also draws more electricity to accomplish this.

The purpose of making the air-gap smaller is to make the motor run faster and stronger WITHOUT drawing more electricity to do it. This makes the production of mechanical energy MORE EFFICIENT.

I hope this helps you understand the relationship between the power of the motor, the air-gap, and the efficiency of mechanical energy production better.

Peter

[sykavy]

Dear Steven,

Yes, getting the air-gap small is a "pain", but that is what is required for high mechanical power production. The Flux-Motor I built in 1983 had air-gaps of .002" per gap, for a total air-gap of .004". This is one-fifth the air-gap of the demo unit shown in the YouTube clip. If that unit was up-graded with an air-gap of .004" (instead of .021") the mechanical power produced would be more that 4 times greater for the same electrical energy input.

I measured the mechanical power output of the demo motor at about 23%, so increasing that by 4 times brings it into the 90% mechanical energy range that I have said would be there. Look at the air-gaps practiced in the Switched Reluctance Motors. You'll see they are very small when the motor is rated at 94% efficiency.

Peter

Could the gap be wider if we made a stronger electro-magnetic pulse?

[Peter Lindemann]

Not interested in Politics

Peter wrote :

dishonesty will be out of fashion. . . people will want to live together in peace and cooperation.

Caring for others, speaking your truth, and living in integrity is the beginning of this future.

If you have any interest in this philosophy and using it with politics to improve our planet, please see:

http://www.energeticforum.com/general-discussion/926-iraq-nutshell-solution.html#post6895

XO Jessica

Dear Jessica,

I am very interested in taking action to improve our planet. Years ago, I studied how the money system works, and discovered a very interesting axiom that the Ruling Class follows. This axiom states that "Finance dictates to Economics, and Economics dictates to Politics." My understanding from this, and I believe it is true, is that Politics is a completely secondary "power center" and unable to lead "the people" out from under the influence of the Financial interests and their agenda.

On the other hand, Energy inventions, and the creation of new energy, functions at the Finance level, being a form of "Natural Capital." So, educating people about energy systems has much more potential for turning world events around than political activism.

We each are called to do what is "ours to do." If you feel called to political activism, I wish you well. I have been called to do research on new energy technologies, and educate people about new possibilities.

Thank you for your dedication to building a better world.

Peter

[Peter Lindemann]

Aaron, thank you!

Peter,

I think 10,000 views in a relatively short time of this thread goes to show that the time is definitely right for these kind of wonderful practical technologies to get out to the world.
Thank you for your ongoing contributions to this forum!!!

Aaron,

Thank you for hosting this forum and giving me an opportunity to explain this amazing technology to people in more detail. I am honored that people continue to view this thread and contribute their insights.

The next thing to do is to report on some models that have really small air-gaps and high torque. Who's still thinking out there?

Peter

[Aaron]

10,000 views...WOW

Peter,

I think 10,000 views in a relatively short time of this thread goes to show that the time is definitely right for these kind of wonderful practical technologies to get out to the world.
Thank you for your ongoing contributions to this forum!!!

[Eric]

heres an idea

Hi there I rarely have time to post anymore but i do keep an eye on this group
while I work on my projects. This post follows close to my chosen direction of work with these motors as well. i am currently setting up 2 lathes and a mill and I have been brainstorming storming ideas for this clearance problem also. the approach I have decided to try is to first create the new stator,rotor,shaft first so the rotor diameter is exactly the same(or a few thousands bigger) as the stator diameter. Then!!! use a "hone?" (I think is the term?) Used for grinding out cylinder walls when rebuilding a car engine, to grind out the stator sections. I am hoping this will give me the level of precision needed for the right tolerances needed with "relative" ease. Any thoughts on this idea would be appreciated.

Thanks
Eric

[future pather]

Peter wrote :

dishonesty will be out of fashion. . . people will want to live together in peace and cooperation.

Caring for others, speaking your truth, and living in integrity is the beginning of this future.

If you have any interest in this philosophy and using it with politics to improve our planet, please see:

http://www.energeticforum.com/general-discussion/926-iraq-nutshell-solution.html#post6895

XO Jessica

[Peter Lindemann]

Excellent place to start..

Dear Steven,

Yes, I think your idea of starting with a switched reluctance motor frame is an excellent choice. In conversations with another researcher, this idea came up as well. He believed that by modifying the power supply pulse timing, the motor could be brought into the proper operating window. I think ALL of these things need to be tried.

This is why I published the material I had. I am very happy that other researchers, such as yourself, are now adding important ideas to this project. Together, we can make this happen.

Keep up the great work!

Peter

[nali2001]

[Peter Lindemann]

Thank You

I want to make a public apoligy. For being snippy. I read some things on the free energy news websight and thought they were un-fair. Teal was for sure recycling his energy. It can be seen on his interview. But one person said Teal never thought of this. And another seems to think You wanted to steal Bedini's idea about recovering electricity. But you make it so clear in the video that Bedini was the one to perfect this type of recovery and his idea can help to advance the electric engine.
Any way sorry again!

Sykavy,

Thank you. It means a lot to me that you care enough to apologize publicly. This shows a high degree of "civility" operating within you, and I would like to acknowledge this. You are on the right track.

Free Energy will power some future civilization where people voluntarily restrain themselves from inappropriate actions that may hurt others. War will have been outlawed and dishonesty will be out of fashion. That machines will power themselves will seem secondary to the more important truth that people will want to live together in peace and cooperation.

Caring for others, speaking your truth, and living in integrity is the beginning of this future. When God's generosity pours spontaneously through your open heart, you will know the secret of Free Energy. Its not about the machines.

Peter