Electric Motor Secrets

[vzon17]

Two coils not necessary

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Well when you think of an engine in this relation an enegin piston can only go to thte top of the cylinder. With a magenic coil we are not limited to o cylinder top so eth ecore can go through out the top side and then be in a position to be pullud bac in the same coil. you just have to have the coil positioned on the stroke so the piston moes equal distance out both sides of the coil thats all. two coils will still be advatnageous and if you co out past the second coil also then you can actuall get 4 pulses with one stroke, tow in and two out. now if you put two pistons and two coils on each end then you could have 6 power pulses in the same distance on each side of the engine. mucho power.
I can draw this up if you want to see it in a diagram.

[vzon17]

solenoid push pull

Hi All,

If one was to try and make a solenoid push and pull, could it be done with one coil, or would it require 2 coils in tandem?

That is, pull it into one coil and then pull it back into the other.

Carl

you can do it with one coil no problem what it requires is that the travel of the core can go past the center. so whatever distance of travel you have the core going you want the coil to be centered on that. that way the core can go equal amounts out both directions of the coil that way you can pulse the coil to pull from both directions. It requires that the rod connecting the core to whatever you are actuating be non magnetic. Just imagine a piston(core) with a stainless steel connecting rod. then its like having a two sided solenoid.

[hh1341]

Thank you,

Be happy to do any drawings you might require, Aaron.

That goes for the rest of you guys, as well.

Carl

[hh1341]

[Aaron]

solenoid cad drawing

Nice drawing Carl...if I had your cad skills, that is exactly what I had in mind here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post20283

[elias]

Hi All,

If one was to try and make a solenoid push and pull, could it be done with one coil, or would it require 2 coils in tandem?

That is, pull it into one coil and then pull it back into the other.

Carl

Hi,

Peter's Motor is an attraction motor which constantly attracts a piece of iron to provide mechanical energy. I suppose that you would require two solenoids, for this purpose, because we have no push here and the only force is pull. BTW I like the design, I think that this design may be promising, if engineered correctly. Anyway Just some thoughts.

Elias

[hh1341]

Hi All,

If one was to try and make a solenoid push and pull, could it be done with one coil, or would it require 2 coils in tandem?

That is, pull it into one coil and then pull it back into the other.

Carl

[aladinlamp]

Aladinlamp,

Actually, I meant exactly what I said in my last post. There is enough information, currently in this forum, for a qualified experimenter to build an electric motor with a COP>2. This is possible in "test model" sizes of 40 watts and up. COP>1 should be able to be demonstrated in model sizes of 10 watts and up.

Remember, many Bedini SG energizers are COP>1 in model sizes as low as 5 watts.

There IS a minimum SET OF TOOLS needed for one of these projects, and there is a minimum SET OF SKILLS needed to succeed. If you are honest with yourself, you can correctly assess whether you have these necessities or not. If you don't currently possess them, then your first job is to BUY THE TOOLS and LEARN THE SKILLS needed to succeed.

Experimenters who lack the necessary tools and skills and who fail to acquire them CANNOT be helped by being given more information than currently exists in this forum.

I hope this clarifies my previous statements.

Peter

Hi

thanx for response

I asked about COP>2 only because i have never seen such statement in this thread, i remember always talking about COP>1, but now it is crystal clear to all of us.


Regarding you statement about TOOLS, SKILLS,TIME and enough INFORMATION in this thread...i agree with every single word.

[Peter Lindemann]

Clarification

Hi Peter, i understand your point now.

1.just to re-check, you meant COP>2 or COP>1 in your last post ?

2.Do you agree that COP>1 can be achieved only with some minimum size of the machine, bigger should be better..


Thanx

Aladinlamp,

Actually, I meant exactly what I said in my last post. There is enough information, currently in this forum, for a qualified experimenter to build an electric motor with a COP>2. This is possible in "test model" sizes of 40 watts and up. COP>1 should be able to be demonstrated in model sizes of 10 watts and up.

Remember, many Bedini SG energizers are COP>1 in model sizes as low as 5 watts.

There IS a minimum SET OF TOOLS needed for one of these projects, and there is a minimum SET OF SKILLS needed to succeed. If you are honest with yourself, you can correctly assess whether you have these necessities or not. If you don't currently possess them, then your first job is to BUY THE TOOLS and LEARN THE SKILLS needed to succeed.

Experimenters who lack the necessary tools and skills and who fail to acquire them CANNOT be helped by being given more information than currently exists in this forum.

I hope this clarifies my previous statements.

Peter

[hh1341]

Scotch Motor

Hi All,

Just getting started with motor ideas.

Here is a bit of the concept in 3D.



Carl

[hh1341]

Aaron,

Perhaps we should revisit some of these ideas and investigate further.

Would be good homework for you to assign to the members.

Carl

[Aaron]

this thread

Hi Carl,

I think just human nature.

Some things that seem just too simple to have much merit or significance fall by the way side because not much value is put on them.

There are a LOT of posts in this thread and I understand it takes quite a while to work through especially when the posts are studied in depth and not skimmed through.

[aladinlamp]

Dear Aladinlamp,

This forum has within it all of the physical designs and circuit diagrams for any qualified experimenter to build an electric motor with a COP>2. It is all right here! Jetijs and others have shown pictures of excellent machine designs. Lighty has contributed advanced switching circuits and I have shown how to recycle the power back to the front of the circuit, so power levels can be scaled up beyond where charging batteries is practical.

I do NOT plan to show anything more advanced than this. I have worked over 25 years on this technology, and I still plan to keep a few good ideas to myself, in case the world changes for the better.

Best wishes,

Peter

Hi Peter, i understand your point now.

1.just to re-check, you meant COP>2 or COP>1 in your last post ?

2.Do you agree that COP>1 can be achieved only with some minimum size of the machine, bigger should be better..


Thanx

[hh1341]

More pls

Hi Aaron.

Could you enlarge on this quote of yours.

that have almost had some productive conversation then it suddenly drops off.

In other words what do you think accounts for the drop off?

Carl

[Aaron]

further inspection

I have seen specific points about specifics on different circuits, etc... that have almost had some productive conversation then it suddenly drops off.

I'd HIGHLY recommend that anyone reading through this thread look at each concept point by point and thoroughly examine each with equal importance.

Like most things that are worthwhile to pursue (of course in the eyes of the beholder / totally relative to each person's perception and opinion), but there is usually more than meets the eye.

I mean, if there is a bird sitting on a post, it is a bird sitting on a post, but WHY is the bird sitting on the post! LOL I'm not saying that to taunt or poke fun at anything or anyone...just some things that we look at and we take for grant it that "oh yeah, that is what that is"...sometimes the rabbit hole could go pretty deep.