Electric Motor Secrets

[hh1341]

Aaron,

These solenoid yoke styles will definitely give more torque than the normal connecting rod and crankshaft method. There is another entirely different method that is proven and not just conceptual that may give even more torque. I haven't seen a real comparison but it is also more than the crankshaft/connecting rod style...but that is another thing.

Maybe I should take a look at this other concept before I start cutting metal.

Carl

[hh1341]

OK here is a rough drawing to illustrate the principle of getting more than one power pulse out of one or two coils. this illustrates two coils with 4 power pulses. other variations posibble. no fancy cad drawing just pen and paper.

http://photoman.bizland.com/coils.jpg

VZON17, Thanks,

A good idea is worth a 1000 fancy CAD drawings (a corollary)
And this is a good idea.

I can see that by adding 2 more coils (making 4 at each end), the cores would be both pulled with every pulse position.
Of course, one might want the softer start/stop at either end, that is afforded by the single coil firing.
Max power is not generated at TDC as in an ICE, but at mid stroke.(point of max crank to yoke leverage)

This concept is looking better all the time.



Carl

[kokerich]

Attraction motor 1.1

I made some changes to my little attraction device.
I added one transistor so each coil has it's own driving transistor. The diode was doubtful so I dismantled it. Instead of standard 1N4007 I replaced the diode with a special diode from PC power supply, (two diodes in the same housing), those should be faster. Anyways, motor is working now the way it should and it charges the battery now.

[Aaron]

review

These solenoid yoke styles will definitely give more torque than the normal connecting rod and crankshaft method. There is another entirely different method that is proven and not just conceptual that may give even more torque. I haven't seen a real comparison but it is also more than the crankshaft/connecting rod style...but that is another thing.

I would definitely recommend a thorough review of Bob Teals patent for starters...otherwise, read every post.

One thing I like to do for myself, which has been priceless in learning...is that I like to conduct experiments simply around one single concept of an entire system to see what is happening.

[vzon17]

two coils two cores

Thanks, VZON17,

If you could draw that up it would be great.


Carl

OK here is a rough drawing to illustrate the principle of getting more than one power pulse out of one or two coils. this illustrates two coils with 4 power pulses. other variations posibble. no fancy cad drawing just pen and paper.

http://photoman.bizland.com/coils.jpg

[Aaron]

analysis

Aaron,

Perhaps we should revisit some of these ideas and investigate further.

Would be good homework for you to assign to the members.

Carl

Hi Carl,

What I would do is analyze all diagrams/schematics/coils/etc... of Teal, Peter, etc... in a way that there is a very clear chronological breakdown of each and every step of each complete cycle. What are the PRINCIPLES involved. Has each specific principle/application/step been applied in other devices or technologies unrelated to the attraction motor concepts, etc... what is the purposes of those principles in other applications.

Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees...or maybe the trees for the forest...

[hh1341]

Thanks, VZON17,

If you could draw that up it would be great.


Carl

[vzon17]

push pull

This might work

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Yeah that is the basic idea. but make the piston core shorter and the coils shorter. then if you have two pistons you can fire the first coil when the first piston approaches it then as the secand piston approaches fire the first coil and the second coil as the first piston approaches it double power stroke then you can let it go one more incremet out and then fire both coils again to pull both pistons back in and then one more time for coil one to pull top piston in to bottom coil. I don't know if thats clear or not but I colud draw it up to make it more clear. for prototypes the cricuit is easy just have commutators either rotating or sliding ones on the connecting rod. Now if you added high voltage to the system stored in capacitors to fire the coils you got some power.

[peper10]

Maybe!!!

Are you sure that could amplified the magnetic force..
As you can see in the vid,as the magnetic field doubled,he as twice the
force...

Alain Desrochers

[hh1341]

Pull Pull

I suppose this would work better if the core was a stack of washer-like laminates made out of transformer steel.




Peter might have something to say about this, or maybe not, if I'm getting to far out in left feild.

Think I better take another look at his DVD.

Carl

[peper10]

just a question?

Hi guys!!
I have been watching the recent post and was wondering,how do you figure
having a greater torque??
I admit that the present configuration is one of the best i have seen lately..
But,for the torque,isn't it the MAGNETIC FORCE who do the job???
Just to clarifie myself,i just watch a vid on youtube who talk about magnetic
repulsion..
The guy is named (TRUTHBEEKNOWN) and is vid is (ELECTROMAGNET TESTING)....
I'm sure if you watch this,you can give me some light about my question...
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=9kCkRO...p;feature=user
I know that he used magnets for is testing,but,the principal idea remain
the same...
If anyone can reply with an ansewr.I'll be verry pleased!!!

Alain desrochers

[hh1341]

Pull Pull

This might work

[muttdogg]

push-push motor

Hell-o again
Had a thought; what about a hemi? A hemispherical piston with one attraction and one repulsion? Of course on both sides of the transverse piston, with one coil, just to use words,not pictures, on one side repelling for a quarter rotation, the other attracting for the next quarter, third coil repelling next quarter, fourth coil attracting last, then lather, rinse, repeat. Using one coil on each end would be an electronic, not to mention magnetic, nightmare. If you want to achieve a push-pull motor. Or should I say, the push-me pull-you motor. I think the key is the transverse piston, the torque should be greater.
Dan

[muttdogg]

Push-push motor

Hell-o all
Excuse me if this has already been discussed,or posted: There is so much here, I apologise if this is redundant. Isn't there a motor already published, or patented that has a coil on each end? I am trying to remember,but cannot recall the name. If I remember correctly, the piston travels horizontally, with a coil at each end. The piston then drives a wheel, sort of like a jigsaw works. A wheel with a slot works like a camshaft.

[muttdogg]

Jetjis motor

Hello Jetjis:
I am wondering about the hum, or noise your motor makes. I mean no disrepect, but it seems the vibration could be tuned, or used to capture the resonant frequency, and turn it into useful energy.
Dan