Rotating attraction motor?
Dear Dr. Lindemann,
In my searching for a suitable geometry for an attraction motor design I came across an application note AN1912 that is available on:
Welcome to Freescale Semiconductor
Search using AN1912 in "enter keyword" and take the first choice to download AN1912.pdf.
This technology is described as a Switched Reluctance motor. The note provides some theory as to its operation beginning on page 5. This SR technology appears to be a rotary version of an attraction motor but no reference is made to any COP performance.
I think I must be missing something here. I would appreciate your thoughts on this note.
Sincerely,
Drexel
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I have to be fair....
Shad,
I don't mind discussing these things with you, but this post is 100% off topic for this group. It should be in the Radiant Energy Forum. I am not going to address these questions in this forum.
If we don't hold the line and limit this forum to Bob Teal, and No Back EMF attraction motors, it will digress into a forum about everything. I am not in other forums, because I DO NOT CHAT!!! I'm far to busy for that. I will help anyone, at any level, learn about advanced energy ideas, but I am not interested in commenting on every little detail of someone else's research. Its like trying to practice medicine over the phone. IT CAN'T BE DONE!
It isn't fair to ask Steven to stay on topic, without asking you to do the same.
Sorry,
PeterLeave a comment:
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Originally posted by Peter Lindemann View PostThis is very encouraging! I will definitely have to try that, trying to make a no-load motor of that.Originally posted by Peter Lindemann View Post
How did Ed Gray create the dielectricity to repel plastic projectiles? Did he use coils or asymmetric capacitors to repel the projectiles?
I am grateful for any tiny information you can give here!
Best of greetings,
ShadLeave a comment:
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Why not....
Shad,Originally posted by Shad View Post
The question you are asking is "can the magnetic attraction motor be run from capacitor discharges?" The answer is YES. Ben discussed doing just that in post #39 in this forum. You can see in the schematic of your coilgun that the energy of the inductive collapse is thrown away with the shorting diode 1N5402. It would be simple to divert this into a second capacitor to conserve the majority of this charge for the next shot. With a 10ms discharge, a very high percentage of the energy could be recovered for another use.
Ed Gray was doing what you suggest with the dielectric discharges. He was able to repel plastic projectiles with extremely high force using dielectric discharges. He claimed he could launch a plastic projectile with a million amps and accelerate it to 88,000 feet per second in under 0.001 second. So, YES, your ideas are correct.
As for the air compressor part of Teal's second patent, it looks like an attempt by his patent attorney to toss in another application. None of the pictures, videos or other company literature ever shows or mentions the air compressor feature. Building an electric motor with high torque and low electricity consumption was the primary purpose of the design, as far as I can tell.
PeterLeave a comment:
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No Load Generators...
Steven,Originally posted by nali2001 View Post
Just so people are clear. A fair number of patents have issued in the last 20 years on No Back EMF motors and generators. But there are still a few of us around who were doing this more than 25 years ago, who never filed for patents. Both John Bedini and I had working systems that date from the early 1980's, and John has some stuff that dates earlier than that.
The "free energy" community has been GROPING around for the last 20 years, looking for a simple ENERGY GAIN methodology. The No Back EMF methods ARE one such method that people, for the most part, are not aware of. Those of us who have known this, and known for DECADES, have been quiet about it, thinking some business opportunity might arise. I no longer believe the business opportunity will arise, so I am PUBLISHING what I know.
The designs and methods for producing No Back EMF Generators are much more complex than the Motor designs. This forum is to share information on the No Back EMF Motor designs to those who wish to learn. I am NOT interested in CHATTING or COMMENTING on dozens of semi-related ideas.
Please keep this thread focussed on Bob Teal, No Back EMF Motors, and the presentation of my DVD Electric Motor Secrets. Thank you.
PeterLeave a comment:
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Not the right forum...
Steven,Originally posted by nali2001 View Post
This is not the right forum to discuss the Flux-Gate Generators or the Ed Gray Conversion Tube designs. Please start a new thread for other topics and keep this one for the discussion of No Back EMF Motors.
Thanks,
PeterLeave a comment:
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More 'No-load' generators
Hello all,
Just for info and inspiration, here are some other 'No-load' generators:
No-load generator - Google Patents
and
Alternating current generator - Google Patents
StevenLeave a comment:
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To Lindemann
Hallo Peter and thanks for the reply regarding the old FLuxgate generator and your work on it. If you have the time and feel like it, please supply us with the data and info regarding that device.
Now you might already knew this one, but here is a very detailed and helpful patent which describes a means and method of building motors and generators which do not suffer from Back emf / or Lenz Law. Even more so the back emf is rendered so that is aids motor motion or generated output power. See it here: http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat6169343.pdf
or
Motor and generator wherein magnetism aids motion - Google Patents
I know you have always been interested in Gray radiant energy stuff, well some old video's have been surfacing lately. So helpfully people will show more interest in the old Gray stuff and related Tesla technology's in the near future.
Here are some shots from the conversion tubes for example:
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Gray/Tube1.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Gray/Tube2.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Gray/Tube3.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Gray/Tube4.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Gray/MaybeTube5.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Gray/TableSys.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Gray/TableSys2.jpg
StevenLeave a comment:
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Ken,
Sounds like you are well along in your research. I have looked for the "easiest, simplest, low-tech" method that works. Something that will run for years with no maintenance and just hum along in the closet. Something that can be built from junk, lying around, or fixed with a saw and a hammer.... and maybe a file and a screw driver too!
No sense knowing how to build a machine if it can't keep your own lights on.
Best wishes,
PeterLeave a comment:
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Originally posted by Peter Lindemann View Post
What I look for or I will say that my journey here is: to continually improve, the efficiency of my machines with all currently available knowledge applied.
what "I can do" as you describe, I have already done sir. thru many experimenting. i haven't built 50, but I also have already built and found the 'machine' I was looking for last year which is a offshoot of many different ppl's inventions put together.. a combination of hi voltage pulses very hi freq (tesla) low current generator neo magnets hi torque with back recovery like margratten's , with a leading front edge pulse floating ground (bedini) recovery, that does reach >COP1.0. but that was a smaller scale with the machining I had available at the time.
But it does not stop there, it won't ever stop somewhere at a point in
time for me. there is no one 'ultimate machine' with me. always more to
learn and apply. to EXPERIMENT AND OBSERVE of this world. it is my favorite blessing and curse!
At this point in the game I see a exponential increase in the efficency of 'energy out with the least amount of electrical energy in' with all of the info obtained as of recent. yours also contributing.
And I see how this applies to my NEXT build.
may you experience the same.
KenLeave a comment:
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Let's Be Perfectly Clear...
Ken,Originally posted by kenny_PPM View PostPeter, you are right about I haven't read all the posts on this forum.
On just about every other active forum YES! not this one yet though.
I basically just read the posts that were from you!
I tested a simple version of your motor's attraction with iron only, no magnets and my magnetometer a long while ago, didnt know it was your idea at that point in time. I already know the torque is there, seperate from the other motors, except flynn 4x the normal torque. And a recovery circuit from another. The reason I posted is I am trying to get the MAX torque from all the technology I am aware of and put it all together in one motor (or as close as the similiarities approach each other anyway). And I know how to get (3 squared), 9x the torque from a flynn now.
But good on ya. I give credit where credit is due.
I was under the impression BACK EMF recovery was Bedini.
CHeers mate for finding it out.
Good luck with your passion.
Thanks for replying!
Ken
Who invented Back EMF recovery? NOBODY! Joseph Henry invented the first electro-magnet, in 1821, using power from a battery running in a coil of wire. He was the first to see that when contact is broken, a big spark appears. Various researchers and scientists, since then, have studied this phenomena. Most people considered the effect a nuisance. Tesla was the first to suggest that there was a new form of energy in this discharge. Most people ignored him too. I credit John Bedini for working out how to use this energy to charge batteries. Scouring the historic record, nobody else figured out how to do that.
Bob Teal knew the energy was there to recover, but only figured out how to light light bulbs with it. This can be seen in the interview clips and the still photos of his motors. Even in my 1983 Flux Motor design, we had the energy recovery, but we never applied it to recharge a battery. Ed Gray was charging capacitors, dumping the charge into an inductor, getting the mechanical energy production, AND recovering the inductive collapse to charge another capacitor. Gray EXPLODED batteries trying to recover the energy, but never really figured that part out.
So, JOHN BEDINI is rightly credited with INVENTING the circuits and methods for safely and effectively using the energy of the inductive collapse to charge batteries. But NOBODY invented the inductive collapse. This is simply a process of nature. Every DC-to-DC converter uses the process to create a voltage rise, but there is no energy GAIN in this method. Even Rick has to covert some of the mechanical energy back to electrical to get the machine to self-run. So, the TRUTH is, the free energy in all of these machines shows up as MECHANICAL ENERGY! Nobody is claiming more that 95% electrical recovery in the Mono-Pole motors.
Also, I do not claim to have invented either the No Back EMF motor or the idea of attracting iron to an electromagnet. That would be preposterous, in the extreme. I do claim to have built working models of No Back EMF magnetic attraction motors in 1983. I do claim to UNDERSTAND the conditions that must be satisfied to maximize the production of mechanical energy in these motors, and I do claim to appreciate the benefits of using these methods over all others. That is what my DVD is about.
You have seen, in your own experiments, that the torque is there in the methods I am discussing. You have also said that you can produce 9x torque using a Flynn type design. So, the question is, HOW MUCH electricity does it take to create each effect? You don't need MAX torque, you just need the max torque for the least electrical input. If you focus on this question, it will show YOU what direction YOUR research should take.
You want to build the "ultimate machine" and you want it to be the next one you build. DON'T WE ALL! The only thing you can do is build your next machine, based on the best knowledge you have at this time. That's what we all do. John Bedini has THE LARGEST museum of machines that were built and tested of anyone that I know of. He found what he was looking for! I have also built and tested over 50 different experimental designs. I also found what I was looking for. John and I were looking for different things.
What are you looking for?
PeterLast edited by Peter Lindemann; 05-25-2007, 05:06 AM.Leave a comment:
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Thank you for your answer!Originally posted by Peter Lindemann View Post
I think i understand better now. Could the coil be just a normal winding then?
What gauge and how many windings would you suggest?
One thing i saw on your DVD was a patent with a "v" noch in the top of the moving iron core to about half way down. Would that be a good idea?
I like the simplicity of Teal's design to get me started. Your designs would be a natural progression to being more efficiant and less friction. But Teal's seems easier for a tinker to experiment on; trying to understand what's going on then to perfect it.
I really appriciate you making these alternative ways known! Especially for us tinkers who have no formal education in electronics. It will pay off sometime and God will reward your nobel efforts. 
It would be great if people could start experimenting with your ideas from your DVD like they do John B.'s Monopole.
For some reason it has captured my imagination more than John's Monopole.Leave a comment:
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Peter, you are right about I haven't read all the posts on this forum.
On just about every other active forum YES! not this one yet though.
I basically just read the posts that were from you!
I tested a simple version of your motor's attraction with iron only, no magnets and my magnetometer a long while ago, didnt know it was your idea at that point in time. I already know the torque is there, seperate from the other motors, except flynn 4x the normal torque. And a recovery circuit from another. The reason I posted is I am trying to get the MAX torque from all the technology I am aware of and put it all together in one motor (or as close as the similiarities approach each other anyway). And I know how to get (3 squared), 9x the torque from a flynn now.
But good on ya. I give credit where credit is due.
I was under the impression BACK EMF recovery was Bedini.
CHeers mate for finding it out.
Good luck with your passion.
Thanks for replying!
KenLeave a comment:
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For the Last Time!
Dear Kenny,Originally posted by kenny_PPM View Post
The method and principles of building an electric motor with No Back EMF is MY DESIGN. I built my first working model in 1983. It could recover 80% of the electrical energy and produce high torque. This was before I ever met John Bedini. These motors produce mechanical energy at a much higher rate than any other method I know of, including Faraday's direct induction, Flynn, Bedini, or anybody. Recovery of the collapsing field is a bonus, but it is NOT NECESSARY for the mechanical energy gain.
I'm pretty sick of people like you, Kenny, (with all respect...sic) who haven't bothered to study my information, while you are perfectly willing to listen to people who obviously don't understand it. My system is NOT merely a Flynn/Bedini motor that I am stealing. None of these characterizations are true. In the last 25 years NOBODY has suggested doing what I am saying now. NOBODY!!!
Flynn's system requires permanent magnets; mine doesn't use any. Flynn's system uses a combination of a permanent magnet field AND an electromagnetic field to produce a combined magnetic field with extra strength. If you think you are going to build a unit that combines this idea with John's recovery circuit I published, what you are REALLY doing is just trying to build Bedini's BUCK-BOOST motor from his first patent. This has NOTHING to do with what I am talking about! You haven't even bothered to read all of the posts in this forum, where the distinctions are clearly defined.
Bedini's Mono-Pole system recover 95% of its electrical energy but produces low torque because the magnetic fields are open. My system produces high torque and a recovery that is not suitable for battery charging because my magnetic fields are closed down all the way, so very little Radiant Energy is produced. Actually, my system doesn't even need to recover the inductive collapse to produce energy, although it can be a bonus if it is engineered right.
If you want to learn about the benefits of building a No Back EMF motor, then buy my DVD and study the material. If not, just build your "Flynn" motor and do what you want.
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