Multifilar Generator Coil - Lenz delay Experiments

[BroMikey]

Okay Sky my mistake, I didn't realize they were neo's but you are
on the right track. You could always add a few more strands fairly easy
using the same method.

Run 9 more in the yard and lay those next to the others. My neo's have
a huge pull force at 1" long around 45-50 lbs they are 1/2" dia. like i said
even with all that force (which I needed) if I didn't get as close as possible
the effect was greatly reduced. So strong that at low speeds the rotor will
growl for all the torsion but as the rotor picked up rpm's much less
pounding. Lots of stress there. That's where my magic was.

It seems like the greater the pull the better the effect was for me. Maybe
you could go to 1\2" magnets or less and get a better response. I think
that big core need a little more flux. Course tape won't hold'em.

I'll bet bigger magnets would drop the number of strands for you.

Your magnet has 3X less pull force than mine but both of us have about
the same core size. Of course you know as you make a gap the force is
much reduced and in your case might be leaving you on the short end.

Still you are within 10ma from the null. That's better than everyone else
looking for the extra energy. Most won't even try.

Great exploration I'd say.For all practical purposes you are there.

I looked more closely at the details, you have a 3.75" dia rotor mine is 9" so
my magnets must travel much faster to get around the circle.

2*pie*r = circumference so 2*3.14 = 6.28 * 1.875 = 11.775" of travel with each
rotation. At 2000rpm's we can say 2000 X 11.775 = 23,550" per minute

We can also go to feet per second.

On the other hand a 9" dia where my magnets sit comes out 2*pie*r or
6.28 X 4.5 = 28.26" for each rotation and at 2000 rpm's comes to

2000 X 28.26 = 56,520" per minute but instead I am running 3000 rpm or

3000 X 28.26 = 84,780" per minute. Over 3X more distance is traveled

All of this plays a roll. Turion's dia is huge. My magnets are at 80mph

Your magnets are moving at 22 mph and is a safe speed for tape.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi mike, thanks for the replies.
The rotor has 1" diameter x 1/8" thick neos.
The 1/8" magnet to core gap is with the rotor stopped and flush, when turned, the edge of the magnet is about 1/16" gap.
I'm giving this some thought and looking at turions 'your basic coil' thread again.
peace love light

[spacecase0]

Turion,
as far as wire sizes,
I bought 57 pounds of #19 wire because of a mistype someone else did.
the experiment still failed like all the other reproductions
I suggest calculating out wire sizes, frequencies and what wire will deal with what on your own.
do all the engineering for yourself before you buy or build or buy anything

[BroMikey]

Here is what I am saying Sky

Even with my very very strong neo's (super strong) if my gap got to
wide the noticeable effect was missing. There is definitely a gap to
strength of magnet to core relationship that will pronounce the effect.

When I dropped back my gap to 3/16" the speed up effect was very tiny
even at 3000rpm's at 2890ft or 17 strands of 170foot lengths. The "C"
gives me 2 poles of interaction at the same time and a place for flux
relief but does not cause the effect nor does the core length change
the delay mechanically enough.

Maybe a 6" extension might do something but for now I will say no.

[BroMikey]

Are you using weak ceramic magnets?

I noticed with my strong neo's my speed up took longer or more strands
if at all, well noticeably only when I had a tight gap. Mine is 1/16" now.

The stronger magnets do help. Remember I asked you about your long
magnets taped on the circular shape? Guessing of course but educated.
Long block ceramics will not allow you to keep your gap consistent
throughout the entire surface. This arrangement will give an 1/8" gap on
each end of the magnet but in the center might be wider.

Am I right?

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, finished testing the series connection with this 51 strand coil, yes it was 51 after all, when first labeling, I marked 2 strands with the same number.

So, unfortunately, at the 1950 rpm and maybe a little bit higher, it is just slightly bogging when shorted, increases around 10 milliamps or so with amp meter connected.
Guess I should have made it 60 strands.
I wonder if increasing the magnet to core gap might help give a lower rpm delay.
Mike, I notice you have quite a bit of core material, between your magnets and where the coil sits on the core in the videos you posted, that alone is probably helping create a delay.

On my coil/core, there is only a 1/4" of core sticking out from where the coil sits, the 1/4" high density board and then the 1/8" core gap.
I'm not sure how many rpm's this rotor can go, before being unsafe, any ideas.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Hi all, up to 40 coil strands and just about lenz neutral at 1725-1950 rpm, barely perceptible slow down by ear when series coil shorted.
I don't want to go much beyond 2000 rpm, as you see the rotor I have.
Will connect the rest in series and see how she goes.
peace love light

You must be careful yes. You could put up a barrier, temporary. The main
thing is keeping you in one piece.

Okay 2000 rmp's 40 strands X 40 ft long each, hummm..............

40 X 40 = 1600ft so for such a slow speed maybe your rotor is okay?

Your rotor is doing the job just fine for this test. Looks like your rotor
magnets are long so as the surfaces come close to the core material
on one end of the magnet it pulls away then come back again to the 1/8"
gap. Those are slight mechanical difficulties that will be easily remedied
with a little brainstorming next time you want to dream.

Not bad for a tape job setup, shows what we never knew for sure and
needed to get time to try. Made my day. Besides who wants a gold
plated rotor for a single test that is going in the pile anyway?

Dang i can't get over it, For such a slow speed you would normally need
about 2500ft of wire but with a million strands (feels like million) put in
series brings it way down. Good going chief, you just took the charge.

[BroMikey]

I made that mistake and gave out false information. So YOU probably got it from ME. My fAULT.

Naw, I never listen to you, you know that, all those long boring excerpts

Thx man, wide shoulders, just like a good teacher covering for his students.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, up to 40 coil strands and just about lenz neutral at 1725-1950 rpm, barely perceptible slow down by ear when series coil shorted.
I don't want to go much beyond 2000 rpm, as you see the rotor I have.
Will connect the rest in series and see how she goes.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Mikey,

The number of magnets on the rotor has everything to do with coil output but NOTHING to do with speed up under load.

My mistake. I am mixing up he 24 generator patent data mixed in. 2 pole
is 3600 rpm and 4 pole is 1750rpm and as conventional generators add
poles up to 24 poles the generator rpm's is way lower but has nothing to
do with speed up.

my mistake.

[BroMikey]

A coil with 1 strand 2,400' long with a potential of 100v on it would have a capacity of 27,756. Three strands each 800' long in parallel with 100v on it would have 202,500 (7.3 times as much).

https://www.teslascientific.com/products/coil-capacitance-calculator/

hey Turion

Wow on the difference of capacity. Or Capacitance? I'm not the sharpest
knife in the drawer on what the 7X figure can do to this. I wonder if you
might run Sky's figures of 24 stands of 40 ft each?

Forget the nay-sayers, they are oblivious. maybe I will try that calculator
myself.

NOTE: I could not calculate the coil using that calculator here is another
but not multifilar

Helical Coil Calculator

[BroMikey]

Hi all, At number 24 coil strand, when shorted, it is slowing down much less than at 12 coil strands, probably 50-60% less bogging, than at 12 strands.

I tested the 24 coil strands at 1725 rpm.
Also, the gap from permanent magnet to core is about 1/8".
peace love light

See that data is worth it's weight in gold added to the present information
at 2800 rpm's. (960ft and your are almost at the null for such a low speed.

Very exciting to me. Of course the number of magnet poles matters. i
think the more magnets on a rotor the sooner the null will be reach at a low RPM. Good gap too, great work to advance this research.

Thane is running 3700rpm most of the time however has shown a few
instances of slight speed up (Null Point) at lower than 3600 rpm but he is
switching off the current yet still generating and motoring at the same
time.

For just a simple setup using rotor and coils shows us a lot to start with.

Maybe at strand 30? Complete null with slight speed up?

Keep us on the edge Sky.

[SkyWatcher]

Last update for today

Hi all, At number 24 coil strand, when shorted, it is slowing down much less than at 12 coil strands, probably 50-60% less bogging, than at 12 strands.

I tested the 24 coil strands at 1725 rpm.
Also, the gap from permanent magnet to core is about 1/8".
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Quick coil update

Hi all, Thanks for sharing the videos mike, I'll keep an eye on your channel.
Thanks for sharing that information turion, maybe after I get some experience with the generator coil aspect.

I've wired 12 coil strands in series so far and brought the rpm up to probably 1200-1400 rpm.
I'm noticing now when shorting the series coil, it is not bogging down as much, whereas with 1-6 coils in series, it was bogging hard.
Will continue the experiment.
peace love light

And here's the latest pic with wires all labeled and with end protectors, messy.

[BroMikey]

So true, the collective army of youth coming over the hill.
Let's go boys. Reminds me of the first time I searched for Dave Lawton
to ask him a question and he had been long gone years ago.

Nothing lasts forever even tho most people think so.

Yes yes I would like to here more about these multi-coils. You say you
have some experience motoring and generating? Maybe the coil is the
same? Hum..? Well I must admit I have never plugged one into power
to see what it does.

Not sure where to start but guessing use any pickup method you like to
setup a triggering circuit to fire the coils when the magnet comes around?

How did I do? Do I get my picture on the cover of the ROLLING STONE?