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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    I wanted to explain a couple things in case you hadn't considered them in the past. Here is what happens in a standard generator coil:

    As a magnet approaches the core of a coil, it induces a magnetic field in the core material. It does not happen INSTANTLY. Think about that for just a moment. If it is a North magnet approaching the core, what polarity is the magnetic field that it is inducing in the core? I will give you a hint. It is a SOUTH magnetic field. The approaching magnet is not REPELLED by the iron core, it is ATTRACTED to it.

    So this flux begins to accumulate in the core. It does not happen INSTANTLY.

    If the coil is connected to a load forming a complete circuit, the accumulating flux in the core causes the wire to begin to generate electricity. It does not happen INSTANTLY.

    This generated electricity begins to turn the core into an electromagnet. It does not happen INSTANTLY

    Once the PREVIOUSLY accumulated flux has been NEUTRALIZED (It doesn't not happen INSTANTLY) the core begins to form an electromagnet that is the SAME polarity as the approaching magnet, repelling it and loading down the drive motor. This doesn't happen INSTANTLY either.

    NONE of these events happen INSTANTLY. Each is a separate event that must happen in a specific order for the Lenz "REACTION" to take place. There is a timeline of events here, that takes place in a specific order, which is why I continue to say Lenz is NOT a law, it is a REACTION.

    That REACTION can be influenced by many things
    1. Speed of the rotor
    2. Number of magnets on the rotor
    3. Core material
    4. Length of the wires on the coil (capacitance)
    5. Number of strands on the coil connected in series. (also capacitance)

    When you understand this, you will realize what I have been saying for a long time. EVERY coil can "speed up under load" if the rotor is turned at a high enough RPM.It just needs to move FASTER than the sequence of events happens. It is simple physics. You do not "delay" Lenz, you simply outrun it. Your rotor magnet arrives at top dead center BEFORE the "REACTION" that is Lenz takes place. It is GOING to take place. The steps I outlined above are GOING to happen. But YOU can determine WHEN they happens. Or DON'T. It's up to you. Master the machine or let it continue to master you. It is YOUR choice.
    Hi Turion,
    If you want to push your car to 100 mph using another car, how fast would the pusher need to go? At least 100 mph, right?
    Ever hear of the Large Hadron Collider, the world's largest and highest-energy particle collider? It uses magnetic fields to "push", and focus, particles to near the speed of light. There is essentially no delay in the magnetic field between its origin (coils & PMs) and its point of use. Talking light speed here. And the same speed as the fields in a generator, motor or transformer.
    Regards,
    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    Description of conventional Motor Operation only

    Good description Dave also continuing as the magnet approaches the coil at least 2 things are happening simultaneously. 1# the metal of the core material is being attracted to the incoming rotating magnet thereby accelerating it in the same direction. 2# at the same time the north magnet induces energy into the coil which is a north field opposing the approaching north rotor magnet. At first this opposition field is very small.

    However the closer the rotor magnet gets til it is perfectly aligned with the coil core, the more repulsive north is created nullifying any attracting forces. It gets closer to what is called TOP DEAD or TOP DEAD CENTER. This is where the magnet and core are closest together. The closer it gets the more current is produced in the coil and the harder it pushes back against the incoming rotor north. This is an exponential math equation.

    The more power produced in the coil as it closes in requires an exponential amount of force to finish it's approach proportional to the increase of current being produced. The rotor cogs. It slightly stalls as more force must be applied to reach it's destination in the loaded condition.
    You can't generate without loading.

    Now if that is not enough as the rotor magnet tries to leave the TDC or close proximity relationship the field now flips (INSTANTANEOUSLY? ) in the coil immediately to south and want to stop the rotor north from going away and again MORE energy is required to force the magnet away and complete it's journey. Not a good system. Like Dave said during the approach nothing is instant.

    Tesla had these coils we are now investigating but was cut off from producing a motor that would make energy recirculate because the controlling faction of his day did not want to part with all of the financial gains associated with inefficient designs. Money is a different type of POWER and electrical power generating got them lots of it. Free energy would have knocked out the big bucks.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 04-04-2020, 10:24 AM.

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  • Turion
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    I wanted to explain a couple things in case you hadn't considered them in the past. Here is what happens in a standard generator coil:

    As a magnet approaches the core of a coil, it induces a magnetic field in the core material. It does not happen INSTANTLY. Think about that for just a moment. If it is a North magnet approaching the core, what polarity is the magnetic field that it is inducing in the core? I will give you a hint. It is a SOUTH magnetic field. The approaching magnet is not REPELLED by the iron core, it is ATTRACTED to it.

    So this flux begins to accumulate in the core. It does not happen INSTANTLY.

    If the coil is connected to a load forming a complete circuit, the accumulating flux in the core causes the wire to begin to generate electricity. It does not happen INSTANTLY.

    This generated electricity begins to turn the core into an electromagnet. It does not happen INSTANTLY

    Once the PREVIOUSLY accumulated flux has been NEUTRALIZED (It doesn't not happen INSTANTLY) the core begins to form an electromagnet that is the SAME polarity as the approaching magnet, repelling it and loading down the drive motor. This doesn't happen INSTANTLY either.

    NONE of these events happen INSTANTLY. Each is a separate event that must happen in a specific order for the Lenz "REACTION" to take place. There is a timeline of events here, that takes place in a specific order, which is why I continue to say Lenz is NOT a law, it is a REACTION.

    That REACTION can be influenced by many things
    1. Speed of the rotor
    2. Number of magnets on the rotor
    3. Core material
    4. Length of the wires on the coil (capacitance)
    5. Number of strands on the coil connected in series. (also capacitance)

    When you understand this, you will realize what I have been saying for a long time. EVERY coil can "speed up under load" if the rotor is turned at a high enough RPM.It just needs to move FASTER than the sequence of events happens. It is simple physics. You do not "delay" Lenz, you simply outrun it. Your rotor magnet arrives at top dead center BEFORE the "REACTION" that is Lenz takes place. It is GOING to take place. The steps I outlined above are GOING to happen. But YOU can determine WHEN they happens. Or DON'T. It's up to you. Master the machine or let it continue to master you. It is YOUR choice.
    Last edited by Turion; 04-04-2020, 06:30 AM.

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  • alexelectric
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    ok

    https://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHei...rnational-2009

    https://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHei...d-caas-letters


    https://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHei...nce-comparison

    https://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHei...rison-11797694

    https://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHei...100-efficiency


    go if you have many demonstrations

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  • alexelectric
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    good demonstration, which I wonder why it does not give a practical example how to build the system in a simple way and be able to check your demonstrations, and there would be no problems since you have it patented, but there are many very good videos where you explain your achievements, but nobody He has made a practical replica, I say that without discrediting his great work, but I ask again why he does not put the system in a simple electric car, an electric motorcycle in a simple way.
    if you have a video where it shows on a motorcycle, but I showed it while standing,
    I think it has everything so that it is already in a vehicle, be it an electric car or a motorcycle, with the system it proposes, which has very good research and video checks

    Or why not take your research to the free energy congress
    Last edited by alexelectric; 04-04-2020, 02:47 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    ]what infinite generator efficiency means

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVgyNGfXHPU&t=1014s



    Last edited by BroMikey; 04-03-2020, 03:14 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Also the correction for Lenz Law

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  • BroMikey
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    Thane Heins updated his project today April 2020 with a video proof



    ............

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    One day someone will demo a working device and where will that leave those who insist it isnít possible.
    I doubt that, they will always disbelieve even if they are seeing real
    power, they'll swear a secret wire is supplying. Scams everywhere
    and very few get it.

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  • Turion
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    Some Day

    One day someone will demo a working device and where will that leave those who insist it isnít possible.

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  • aljhoa
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    ken W has found out interesting
    things about magnetic's I am sure

    COP >20 is being achieved.

    Briggs gasoline engine

    scooter motor
    Only with engine Plasma Tech and motor Aether Tech


    Al

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  • BroMikey
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    Hey thanks Gambeir glad we have common ground, patents won't
    save the day I am afraid and in some cases in the past have costed
    people many hardships. Isn't that sad? ken W has found out interesting
    things about magnetic's I am sure but to patent them? I don't know.

    The way we are using magnets to help with motors that generate power
    is very simple. First step is to use and motor like say a scooter motor
    to turn a rotor with magnets so coils can be placed around the rotor
    making or generating power. This is a standard practice in engineering
    today. What makes ours different is our coils do not drag down the
    scooter drive motor like all other conventional ones do.

    Our coils help the scooter drive motor once up to the full speed say
    3000 rpm or like Turion he runs at 2800rpm. Well anyway the point is
    that these special coils are lenz free. These coils give power while
    assisting the drive motor not like all standard generators that slow
    down the drive motor when power is drawn off the generator coils.

    This is step one. #2 is to use magnets another way while what I just
    described to you takes place. The extra magnets used are another
    no-brainer. These extra ones are added in directly across from where
    the generator magnet come into contact with the coil cores.

    What happens is that the drive motor gets another break and the power
    to drive it goes down again. With these two ideas COP >20 is being
    achieved.

    All patents do is give the controlling faction a way to bury the technology.

    It is real simple stuff just got to wrap your head around the basics and
    then all the lights turn on.

    RegenX coils is what one person named them but these coils come out
    of a 1 page patent in 1900 by N. Telsa "Coils for electromagnets" that
    is what Tesla named them.

    Now take a Briggs gasoline engine instead of a scooter motor as a driver.
    With a Briggs connected to a generator head upon drawing power off
    of it the gas motor will begin to labor. It does not slow down because
    it has a governor that presses on the gas pedal so to speak to keep the
    RPM's the same. Just like a mower in tall grass gets heavily loaded you
    hear it labor and more gasoline is used.

    With these coils generating on a gasoline powered engine when power
    begins to be drawn off the opposite happens, the gasoline motor does not
    need more fuel it needs less and yet we get power.

    This makes it possible to put as many generating coils as you
    can physical arrange without any extra fuel needed.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-30-2019, 09:21 AM.

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  • Gambeir
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    Freeze frame, just snapped your picture.

    Now it's off to work and to hear these things thrills me to no end,
    16 versions one after another to improve the next and so it will be all
    the way up to a factory model.

    @skeptics and Drones
    Coming soon to a theater near you.

    the water cooling is done something like that for PC CPU's and all
    sorts of devices. Great job Dave. I have to run for now but this takes
    the cake at the start of my day. We will never pass this way again.

    The new lab will or should treat you better than the old lab. I hope.
    What a lab it was, to be short on meters, what a bunch of slugs. I
    found out the many of the high profile agencies like Lab's or Child care
    organizations are often a front only for dirty money. A dirty lab has been
    told to stonewall all extra energy producing device, patent pending
    not included.

    In the Child Care spheres of circulation many arrests are underway.
    Criminals look good on the surface and have been running companies
    for a different purpose than what is stated in the header.
    This is probably why you are having an obstacle here and there.
    We won't let that bother us.

    Patent wars are a mess and hard to get over a decade or two time
    period. Thanes patents will be expired before you know it and people
    will ask "Thane who"? Remember Don Smith? I do, he was all over
    the web in the 90's, history lessen 101

    Thane was on the same boards in the beginning and we all learned
    from one another as each day posts were made to point in any
    given direction.

    Thane does not even wind these Tasla Patent coils anymore, he just
    uses the concept to attract attention, I see now what he is doing.
    I hope he gets a factory model soon.

    Everyone learns from everyone on these boards and then it all gets
    deleted can't prove a thing, "Its mine Its mine Its All mine"
    Don Smith never acted that way but he was entangled with investors
    and patents over money.

    Freely you have received Freely you gave Dave and keep on giving.
    That is the manifestation of YOU. I didn't do that nor did you know
    this would happen. It is clear tho. This is the gift.


    I have no clue what the hell this tempest in a teapot is really all about but I do sympathize a great deal with what Bro Mikey has said here and elsewhere throughout this thread. As for profiting from invention, and by way of patents, well I think you have be borderline delusional to think that's going to happen. You have to be out of touch to think for one second that a patent on any disruptive technology will avail you one cent, and if it's a big enough money maker, or too disruptive you're gambling with your life and probably the lives of the rest of your family and friends.

    It's a fool's errand.


    Now then, I muddled through this thread trying to gather what this is all about since doggy posted the image of the coil's.
    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...efraction.html

    Did I miss it or are there like schematics somewhere to look at?
    Also Bro Mikey, why have you got your PM's turned off?
    How can I send hate mail if you have your PM's turned off?

    Oh...never mind...I see I can message you now.
    This wireless keyboard is dyslexic, possibly mildly retarded too; I'm sure it's not me.
    Last edited by Gambeir; 06-30-2019, 07:02 AM.

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  • Doogy2Shoes
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    Originally posted by Turion
    I am still learning, and chances are I will always have SOME version of this machine hanging around to use to charge batteries and such.
    input power is 288 watts. And you are getting 195 watts per coil out.
    Now you need a way to add more coils and combine the coil outputs,
    as you stated.

    once you are getting batteries recharged with FREE energy...

    Don't just leave this in your work shop
    Am I missing something here?

    You said that you already extended the range of a stock motor and battery setup.

    So you have free energy already, and are on the verge of
    what looks to be loopable motor with virtually unlimited output.


    Why plan to do nothing with it?

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  • Doogy2Shoes
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    Originally posted by Turion
    You have to understand that NONE of these versions of the machine were designed with the intention of going into production. Each version was designed to solve problems that came up in a previous version. I have built like sixteen different versions of this generator. I have video or pictures of all of them either on my phone or on my old computer. They were all built to TEST different ideas and possible improvements. I am still learning, and chances are I will always have SOME version of this machine hanging around to use to charge batteries and such.
    there is nothing wrong with going into production or collaborating with an existing entity like that of Thane Heins'. If you can bring valued R&D forward , why not work together? Why not make a ton of money along the way...
    If you are efficiently or freely recharging batteries with this already...
    why keep it to yourself. Cut a deal, get them out there.

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