ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[Ufopolitics]

Hello to All,

Below is a picture taken from Ken Wheeler's Book:

And here is my simple graphical display of:

THE TWO POLES (NORTH-SOUTH) AND THE EXACT CENTER DIVISION BETWEEN BOTH.

Now, from Ken's Video:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72pjGA-1EuI[/VIDEO]

Now, an Image from that video about same view, center of magnet revealed by Ferrofluid...but Full, complete...



Poles above are Up and Down of screen...You all could watch video to see full movement on top of magnet, plus comparison with View Film.

What Ken calls the Hyperboloid Geometrical Shape.

Now the same simple graphics as before:



DEPICTING CLEARLY WHERE FERROFLUID "SINKS"...EXACTLY AT THE CENTER OF ANY MAGNET

Anyone of the Nay Sayers have anything to say NOW about this completely

EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE?


Ufopolitics

[mikrovolt]

I realize that UFO crt demonstration has raster line ect. We can also compare with and without raster and other dynamics. The Ken W video on centrifugal centrapedal effects on crt. Ken's presentation being Sat July 5th at 11:00 am coming up.

( excluding still pictures I do admit there is various brain activity how our 2 eyes see a 3D image )

https://youtu.be/Dilk8gcDxac

Looking at a another video we discussed briefly a while back. ( Credit to Rice University, Houstan TX has something else to say. )
There is an interesting scene in the focused beam video. The electron gun may have more value in our quest to see magnetism.
It also has vortex and this is a common thread among those that believe that a vortex does play a role. This is not taught in lower levels.



The video demonstrates a magnet pointed straight on to the focused cathode ray. In this scene the teacher also shows the magnet at an angle.
In this scene I see more geometry and intersecting lines, the gases are showing slight glow in specific places. The gases are showing
something that is not readily intuitive which is not like the ferro-fluid multi cone head or the metal filing fuzz head.

Also, wondering what proportion of magnetic and electric raises a question: How much of each component is contributing to the deflection ?
In the remainder of the video the voltage on the e-beam is being increased inside a uniform field.
Another question is what would happen if the voltage was increased in the scene shown by image above ?

The scene shown above referenced is video called "magnetic force on charged particles" (Rice U online video )

https://youtu.be/orsMYomjwIw?t=62

[Ufopolitics]

@Tim Vanderelli

Hello Timm,

Like I wrote before, you are always welcome to keep whatever conversation here as you would like...

Want to keep Ken out of your conversation...that is perfectly fine with me.

I have seen those images (the "eye of Ra...) from Michael Snyder-Revolution Labs..he have them in different colors...

Now I have a question about a ferrofluid test.

Have anyone you know off...made a clear container w water plus water based ferrofluid...not too concentrated...then submerge a magnet in...then add some lighting?

Just to see if loose ferrofluid particles, dissolved in water, would form a 3D Volume within container?

I have ordered some water based ferrofluid to conduct some experiments...and the above is #1 on the list.


P.D: whenever you get that new Thread open and displayed, please share here the link to it.


Thanks and Kind Regards


Ufopolitics

[Markoul]

And something no one ever talks about is the Fe3O4 (magnetite) used in Hobby-Experimenter grade Ferrofluid (EFH1) is FERRIMAGNETIC not FERROMAGNETIC. Look it up.

Yes that is correct iron oxide like the Fe3O4 usually used in the Ferrocells are ferrimangetic as Timm mentions. I knew that but never mentioned it because this would complicate things even more than they are already in this thread.

https://sciencing.com/differences-between-ferrimagnetism-ferromagnetism-8488277.html

Classes of Magnetic Materials

However, the ferrimagnetism is one of the strongest points of the Ferrocell may I add because the neighboring magnetic parallel chains of Fe3O4 nanoparticles formed under the influence of an external magnetic field, due their antipolarity are not magnetically interacting (i.e. by that i mean there is no torque produced between to parallel chains therefore remain parallel) with each other and hold in equilibrium, in contrast we have in the case of ferromagnetic iron fillings which actually deforming the applied magnetic field to a point we see the familiar N-S shortcircuit image field that the iron fillings show.

Therefore when an external magnetic field is applied, because ferrimagnetic property of Fe3O4 nanoparticles neighboring parallel chains inside a Ferrocell and also the single domain behavior (superparamagnetism) of the nanoparticles inside the same chain, Ferrocell is producing minimum interference distortion to the external magnetic field applied and is able to follow correctly without distortion its flux.

Thus, a Ferrocell shows the correct flux of a magnetic field and not iron filings.

No perception tricks no light tricks no tricks.

The image we get from the Ferrocell of a magnetic field IS THE FIELD OF A MAGNET!...or the closest to reality that humans ever achieved in history.

my2cents

EM

[bistander]

New thread

I'd like to move this conversation to the General area and leave Kens discussion. I started a new thread there but is not appearing yet.

For now, open your imagination into a situation where two phases cancel out.
That leaves nothing. Now you turn on a light. Then you see the "nothing".

Its the lowest potential. Zero point. The Bloch region.

O.K. See you there.

New thread.

http://www.energeticforum.com/general-discussion/20998-about-ferrocell-ferrolens.html

[dyetalon]

Hi dyetalon,

That is a nice image but what does it represent; certainly not the magnetic field?

From: https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=light-viewer




I'm not saying ferrocells aren't interesting or useful. I'm just trying to understand what information is or can be obtained from the image. It is not the magnetic field as it is defined in science, academia, or industry. The closest explanation that I've seen is traces representing magnetic vector potentials plus some other yet unexplained phenomena.

Regards,

bi

I'd like to move this conversation to the General area and leave Kens discussion. I started a new thread there but is not appearing yet.

For now, open your imagination into a situation where two phases cancel out.
That leaves nothing. Now you turn on a light. Then you see the "nothing".

Its the lowest potential. Zero point. The Bloch region.

[bistander]

Beautiful

FYI:
Michael Snyder did the Ferro-mirror a few years ago. One of his images has been published in a couple of different places.
Try this with iron filings. Hah.
Note: this is a single red LED shining down into the cell at a 45 degree angle and bouncing off the mirror and fluid with a magnetic pole under the mirror.

Hi dyetalon,

That is a nice image but what does it represent; certainly not the magnetic field?

From: https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=light-viewer


I'm not saying ferrocells aren't interesting or useful. I'm just trying to understand what information is or can be obtained from the image. It is not the magnetic field as it is defined in science, academia, or industry. The closest explanation that I've seen is traces representing magnetic vector potentials plus some other yet unexplained phenomena.

Regards,

bi

[dyetalon]

You are completely closing up your understanding, Bistander.

Ferrocell does contains trillions of nano particles which ARE HIGHLY SENSITIVE to Magnetic Field PRESENCE...SO, YES, We could say a Ferrocell is a FULL SENSOR of Magnetic Fields.

Same way an Image Sensor (from a digicam) have thousands of LIGHT SENSORS on a PIXEL SCALE.

Ferrocell captures close and far field lines and plants it on its 2D Image we see.

Imagine a FERROFLUID MIRROR(As a matter of fact I want to build one!!!, simple...one glass would be a mirror...and the other clear, transparent)...it could REFLECT ONLY THE FIELD IMAGE for Us to see it...plus of course...also the magnet.

However we look at magnet and we do not see "the Field" reflected on mirror...why? because we can not see Fields with our eyes...

That Field MIRRORED IMAGE seems to be a 2D Image...but we know it is a 3D Image.

Now, again, your question...does Ferrocell Mirror has "sensors"?...what do you think?


Regards and goodnight!


Ufopolitics

FYI:
Michael Snyder did the Ferro-mirror a few years ago. One of his images has been published in a couple of different places.
Try this with iron filings. Hah.
Note: this is a single red LED shining down into the cell at a 45 degree angle and bouncing off the mirror and fluid with a magnetic pole under the mirror.


****** I moved this discussion to General Topics ********

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[dyetalon]

Hello Timm,
The typical explanation of 3D. If half of the view is horizontally polarized
and the other half is vertically polarized the eyes and brain put the two
images together to form a 3D stereo-graph image.

https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/videos/6-how-we-see-3d

making a 3d hologram viewer is inexpensive and quick.
because FerroCell already has the translucent properties proprietary.
Possibly something might click and it would explain why the cages are so easily rattled over this ferro being so perceptional to magnet fields.

https://youtu.be/7YWTtCsvgvg

You're somewhat correct. We are seeing a holographic image composed of direct and refracted rays. Our brains are making images based on the weird information our eyes are receiving.

The cell is more perceptional than iron filings in one respect: You can see the interaction of one or more magnets clearly and with a greater detail.
And, they're responding to the field in a different way. The iron filings become little magnets when exposed to a field, but the particles are smaller than a domain (superparamagnetic) and do not align in the same manner. (parallel vs perpendicular). And something no one ever talks about is the Fe3O4 (magnetite) used in Hobby-Experimenter grade Ferrofluid (EFH1) is FERRIMAGNETIC not FERROMAGNETIC. Look it up.

[Iamnuts]

IMG_20180514_100438.jpg

I can't wait for this to be sorted and then we could discuss the
"Lamb shift"
I admired Stephen Hawking, despite all his difficulties he had a
wicked sense of humour.

[Iamnuts]

IMG_20180514_093712.jpg
Here ive ground a flat on a twisted cable, view of a 3d object in 2d.
Just show me that somewhere and I'll be convinced. Ml

[mikrovolt]

Hello Timm,
The typical explanation of 3D. If half of the view is horizontally polarized
and the other half is vertically polarized the eyes and brain put the two
images together to form a 3D stereo-graph image.

https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/videos/6-how-we-see-3d

making a 3d hologram viewer is inexpensive and quick.
because FerroCell already has the translucent properties proprietary.
Possibly something might click and it would explain why the cages are so easily rattled over this ferro being so perceptional to magnet fields.

https://youtu.be/7YWTtCsvgvg

[Ufopolitics]

Take that 2-D concept into 3-D. A plane cannot relate information about other planes in the surrounding space. In other words, the image from a ferrocell is a 2-D plane and cannot relate any information about the field except for the plane of the field which is in the fluid between the glass.



The image above is a 2-D plane. It is a reproduction of a flat 2-D object, the ferrocell, at an instant in time when the photo was taken. At that instant, how could the ferrocell possibly know what the field was one inch above or 1.3 inches below the plane of its fluid? It is not possible. The ferrocell has no sensors or other means to gather information which is not in direct contact with it.

Regards,

bi

You are completely closing up your understanding, Bistander.

Ferrocell does contains trillions of nano particles which ARE HIGHLY SENSITIVE to Magnetic Field PRESENCE...SO, YES, We could say a Ferrocell is a FULL SENSOR of Magnetic Fields.

Same way an Image Sensor (from a digicam) have thousands of LIGHT SENSORS on a PIXEL SCALE.

Ferrocell captures close and far field lines and plants it on its 2D Image we see.

Imagine a FERROFLUID MIRROR(As a matter of fact I want to build one!!!, simple...one glass would be a mirror...and the other clear, transparent)...it could REFLECT ONLY THE FIELD IMAGE for Us to see it...plus of course...also the magnet.

However we look at magnet and we do not see "the Field" reflected on mirror...why? because we can not see Fields with our eyes...

That Field MIRRORED IMAGE seems to be a 2D Image...but we know it is a 3D Image.

Now, again, your question...does Ferrocell Mirror has "sensors"?...what do you think?


Regards and goodnight!


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Center of Magnet, shown by Ferrofluid.

Hello to All,

Below is a picture taken from Ken Wheeler's Book:



And here his explanation:

This
position causes divergence of the nano-iron particles away from the dielectric dominant inertial plane which is only attractive
to itself in dominance.

Now, from Ken's Video:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72pjGA-1EuI[/VIDEO]

Now, an Image from that video about same view, center of magnet revealed by Ferrofluid...but Full, complete...



Poles above are Up and Down of screen...You all could watch video to see full movement on top of magnet, plus comparison with View Film.

Both Images show exactly same "indentation" of Ferrofluid, around center of magnet...

What Ken calls the Hyperboloid Geometrical Shape.


Regards



Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Plane

Bistander,

In order to properly answer your two questions above, which, relates -I assume- to Ferrocell, which is the topic under discussion now....



In Geometry, "a line" does not "contains info" about 'other lines' in that same plane..it is a non sense question.

Closest answer to your question is an INTERSECTION between Two Lines within a plane...However, that is NOT "information" about either lines.

A Line STICKS OUT from the rest of lines by its COLOR, SHADES and SIZE.

Now, in OPTICS, there are REFLECTIONS, REFRACTIONS and BACKGROUND SHADOWS which DEFINE LINES on a PLANE.

In OPTICS, a LINE is made from a STRAIGHT ALIGNMENT OF POINTS...

In Geometry, a LINE could be made from just TWO POINTS in a PLANE.



First off, a PLANE does NOT necessarily need to be a FLAT, 2D PLANE...A PLANE COULD BE, EXIST ALSO IN 3 DIMENSIONS.

Same as previous question...no "information" is "stored" from either one.

Only when we go into OPTICS PLUS GEOMETRY then REFLECTIONS render "information" about an object's positioning FROM 3D TO 2D Space.

An Imaging Sensor from a Digital Cam, makes a 2D REFLECTION from the 3D WINDOW, OPENED through the LENS and SHUTTER MEANS.

Ferrocell CAPTURES exactly the same way, a 2D REFLECTION from a 3D Magnetic Field.

This is all that simple to understand...


Ufopolitics

In mathematics, a plane is a flat, two-dimensional surface that extends infinitely far. A plane is the two-dimensional analogue of a point (zero dimensions), a line (one dimension) and three-dimensional space.

From: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_(geometry)

Notice the word "flat" in the definition?

Ever notice the picture from the camera is flat, a plane. And the image we were discussing where the curves cross is flat as in two dimensional, or a plane.

What you call "curved planes" are normally referred to as surfaces.

In mathematics, a surface is, generally speaking, an object similar to a plane but that need not be flat.

Ref: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface

You agree that a line cannot contain information about other lines in the same plane.

Take that 2-D concept into 3-D. A plane cannot relate information about other planes in the surrounding space. In other words, the image from a ferrocell is a 2-D plane and cannot relate any information about the field except for the plane of the field which is in the fluid between the glass.



The image above is a 2-D plane. It is a reproduction of a flat 2-D object, the ferrocell, at an instant in time when the photo was taken. At that instant, how could the ferrocell possibly know what the field was one inch above or 1.3 inches below the plane of its fluid? It is not possible. The ferrocell has no sensors or other means to gather information which is not in direct contact with it.

Regards,

bi