ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[bistander]

On-topic

Yes I did...and yes I did find it "qualified"...and it is not only about the author himself, but who is behind his book as references and literature contributing to the different Chapters like:

David Sweet

Who is David Sweet?
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Consuming a lot of space, which sets the new reader all confused and takes away the main essence of what I am trying to expose.
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Your responses are long and full of images anyone could find easily out there, ...

OK Ufo, I'll keep this short. You complain that I load the thread with irrelevancy and then devote all that space to David Sweet. I don't see him listed as a reference or contributor to the subject article anywhere. Apparently a very smart man, Dr. Sweet did some research prior to his receiving his PhD in a related field, I guess, MHD. But once obtaining his PhD went to work in finance, even working for Lehman Bros as a senior administrator during the time or time leading up to that company's bankruptcy and SEC litigation. Gotta love him. One of his more recent claims to fame is a presentation Long-Term Weight Control, New York Quantified Self Show & Tell. Please let it go and get back to topic.
bi

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

So you checked the references for the website below and apparently were impressed with the author's associate degree. Good job there.

Yes I did...and yes I did find it "qualified"...and it is not only about the author himself, but who is behind his book as references and literature contributing to the different Chapters like:

David Sweet

Who is David Sweet?

EDUCATION

Ph.D., Physics (Nonlinear Dynamics), University of Maryland, College Park, May 2000.

B.S., Physics/Mathematics, Duke University, Cum Laude May 1995

EXPERIENCE

Quantitative Researcher, Teza Technologies, May 2014-Present.

Desk Head, Quantitative Trader, KCG/GETCO, November 2008-May 2013.

Vice President/Associate Director, Quantitative Trader, Lehman Brothers/Barclay's, June 2004-November 2008.

Co-Founder, Zephyr Financial, January 2003-June 2004.

Quantitative Analyst, Thales Fund Management, June 2000-January 2003.

Graduate Research Assistant, University of Maryland, June 1997-May 2000.

Graduate Research Assistant, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Summer, 1999.

Teaching Assistant, University of Maryland, August, 1996-May, 1997.

NSF Research Experience for Undergraduates, University of California, Irvine, Summer, 1994.

PUBLICATIONS PRESENTATIONS

Feedback and Proxy, New York Quantified Self Show & Tell #27 , February 2015.

High Frequency Trading II, Guest Lecture for Trading Strategies and Systems, Prof. Vasany Dhar, NYU Stern School of Business, April 2014.

Pertinacity Demo, New York Quantified Self Show & Tell #25, March 2014.

High Frequency Trading I, Guest Lecture for Trading Strategies and Systems, Prof. Vasany Dhar, NYU Stern School of Business, January 2014.

Long-Term Weight Control, New York Quantified Self Show & Tell #22 , September 2013.

A Short Tour of Wall Street, UMCP SIAM Graduate Student Chapter, October 2003.

Fractal Dimension Of Chaotic Saddles in the Kuramoto-Sivashinski Equation, Contributed Talk, Dynamics Days 2002, Baltimore MD, January 2002.

KDE & Andamooka, NYLUG Monthly Meeting, New York, NY April 2001.

Stagger-and-Step Method: Detecting and Computing Chaotic Saddles in Higher Dimensions, Multimedia Poster, Dynamics Days 2001, Chapel Hill, NC, January 2001.

GUI Programming for Scientists, An introduction to KDE GUI programming in computational and experimental sciences.

Optical Billiards, Applied Dynamics Seminar, University of Maryland, October 1999.

Fractal Dimension of Higher Dimensional Chaotic Repellors, Two talks, Los Alamos National Laboratory, July, 1999.

Fractal Dimension in Higher Dimensional Chaotic Scattering, Poster, Los Alamos National Laboratory Student Association Poster Session, LANL, July, 1999.

Fractal Dimension in Higher Dimensional Chaotic Scattering, Poster, Fifth SIAM Conference on Applications of Dynamical Systems, Snowbird, UT, May, 1999.

Chaos in Everyday Objects, Poster, Maryland Day, University of Maryland, April 1999.

Fractal Dimension in Higher Dimensional Chaotic Scattering, Applied Dynamics Seminar, University of Maryland, July 1998.

Several talks for visiting professors and researchers, 1998-99.

Also, Ben Crowell, another PhD in Physics...Author of the Book "Light and Matter"

You could download a pdf copy at above link, it is free of charge...

This Two Guys above were the ones directly involved in AC/DC Induction plus Electric Motors...go ahead, review them...

You could also visit the Contributor's List then take a look at Credits to Major Contributors...

It happens that this Full Book is also published by All About Circuits website:

Lessons in Electric Circuits

All About Circuits recommendation:

"This free electrical engineering textbook provides a series of volumes covering electricity and electronics. The information provided is great for students, makers, and professionals who are looking to refresh or expand their knowledge in this field."

So, yes, definitively I find this Book highly qualified.

And I suppose that your diagram below is an accurate representation and you have built an operative model which looks just like it.

[IMG][/IMG]

Give me a break. Or this next one. It's o.k. because you used 4 turns per coil so it is real.

[IMG][/IMG]

The Images You have been showing

They're just illustrations or examples. You seem to have difficulty grasping the concept of examples and analogies.

The drawing you have been showing, about an open loop of a single conductor rotating within a N-S Field, that looks like a hollow Barbecue Spatula...will never develop a magnetic field since it is not closed by -at least- just one turn. But its open terminals go directly to contact brushes...However, this is the idea behind it...to take away any concept of a rotational field generated by a closed rotational flow of current.

It is the typical concepts of a "conductor" cutting the "imaginary lies of force" concept...for starting students to go by...then look at what you write, based on your learning from this model:

Hi Ufo,

There is a conceptual difference between how I view magnetic circuit and the way you do. Essentially connecting lines of flux vs spiraling corkscrews. Even though you apparently consider me an avid subscriber of convention on magnetic theory, one place I do deviate is with coil turns. I consider the conductor, not so much the turn, as most do. I think "turns per coil" misleads many.

And you got all over my case about a week ago saying magnetic fields don't collapse. Then a few days ago I see this from you:

Sometimes We have to use a vocabulary which is understood by all, even though, is not fully correct...precisely when we don't want to waist time explaining about it but getting to the point we are trying to convey.

In that Thread (Allen Burgess), I was specifically talking about the "Collapsing Field" as the main topic of Thread, here I was talking about Cycloids restarting by collapse of field.

I believe everyone understood what I meant.

You just look for any way you can to put down somebody who disagrees with you. You might try sticking to the subject and proving your point.

Regards,

bi

It is not only disagreeing with me, that would be just great if you just did that!!, but your constant rebuttal of everything I write on my Thread or anywhere else on this Forum. And really it is annoying since you keep repeating all my posts, plus you keep filling pages of just randomly searched material, just because it "contains" what you are trying to use against everything I write or post. Consuming a lot of space, which sets the new reader all confused and takes away the main essence of what I am trying to expose.

Isn't that called bullying?

Isn't that called "put down somebody who disagrees with you"?

I am "trying" to "stick" to the subject...You just don't allow me to do it.

Your responses are long and full of images anyone could find easily out there, Images used billion times for over 200 years, same BS.

On the contrary, I bring concepts which are rare to find, New to most...and I used them to reinforce what I am exposing.


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

@ Bistander.

Why can’t you just allow UFO to explain the topic at hand, an alternative theory and concept concerning magnetism and allow UFO to work up of a solid explanation without the continuous rebuttal from yourself, always referring back to the standard concepts of magnetism?

Because he continually misrepresents the standard electric machine and magnetic theory. I wish he would give up bad-mouthing existing technology and get busy with the topic of this thread. He says he has something better. He should just show us.

All he has to do to get me off his back is answer my questions and prove he has what he claims. Instead he evades giving answers and supporting his statements and claims. He chooses to ridicule, belittle, insult and bully anyone who disagrees with him.
For instance: Did he really need to post #661? Then I wouldn't have posted #662. That would have suited me just fine.

[Sputins]

Sputins.

[bistander]

Bistander,
I see...that you don't check for references...I do, at least I check for ebook (pdf) or site text where they gathered the literature references info from, Author's Bio and education, etc,etc.

Hi Ufo,

So you checked the references for the website below and apparently were impressed with the author's associate degree. Good job there.

Image taken from:POLYPHASE MOTOR DESIGN

(And please, take a good look at that site, and tell me the Author(s) are not "trained" or don't have the experience enough as to post the wrong images and wrong definitions-explanations...please do!)

OK Ufo,

I'd say not too strong of a background or credentials in electric machinery or magnetic theory. Author is an instructor at a technical college specializing in instrumentation and controls. He says on LinkedIn: Specialties: Technical writing, technical instruction, electronic circuit design (including PCB layout), computer programming (C mostly), technical drawing, welding (gas and arc), machine maintenance, basic machine tool operation (metal lathe mostly), curriculum development, public speaking.

With a 2 year degree (ATT) from Skagit Valley College and some time at Perry Technical institute, I'd say his formal education is weak. He may be a fine technician and instructor, but I see nothing (in a quick search) which would qualify him as an expert in magnetic circuits or electric machinery.

bi

To me that is the most ridiculous example ever drawn by anyone, since this closed loop of a single wire does not represent -at all- what any of even the smallest machines look like in real life!!

Plus, you go ahead and build that wire loop between two magnets just to find out it is a completely inoperative model...it is just BS.

And I suppose that your diagram below is an accurate representation and you have built an operative model which looks just like it.

[IMG][/IMG]

Give me a break. Or this next one. It's o.k. because you used 4 turns per coil so it is real.

[IMG][/IMG]

They're just illustrations or examples. You seem to have difficulty grasping the concept of examples and analogies.

And you got all over my case about a week ago saying magnetic fields don't collapse. Then a few days ago I see this from you:

..I just want to tell you one thing...do not Fully Collapse that Field to zero values!!

If You collapse Magnetic Field, ...
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So, You must leave at least a very small amount of power to that coil, so you do not collapse that Cycloid sequence where all this secret is.


Respectfully


Ufopolitics

You just look for any way you can to put down somebody who disagrees with you. You might try sticking to the subject and proving your point.

Regards,

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

I usually do not check out the credentials or the references where I gather illustrations. I mostly use the images to show what I'm talking about because, unlike you, I am unable to draw to wonderful diagrams on the computer. I do attempt to include the source of the images which I barrow so the reader can see for themselves the original context and investigate further.

Regards,

bi

Bistander,


I see...that you don't check for references...I do, at least I check for ebook (pdf) or site text where they gathered the literature references info from, Author's Bio and education, etc,etc.

For instance, you started shooting a bunch of images from this site below:

UNPh32.6

Then you scroll down to source and we read:

History
The contents of this page is based on "Electricity for Motor Mechanics", by the New Zealand Technical Correspondence Institute
Government Printer, New Zealand.

I was reading about Car Alternators and a bunch of BS was written there, not counting all the misspelled and typos, plus technical huge errors...like the Diodes on a Vehicle Alternator are enough and there is no need for a Voltage Regulator!!...That is big time BS!!...Even old vehicles from the 80's have V Regulators...and All Newer Cars have them as well. And not only that but PROM Computers as well in charge to "regulate" every single operation in veh..

To me, they are not qualified either.

Plus, you are bringing pics from a completely different set up as the ones I have been showing...which is the typical Elementary School empty wire loop rotating within a N-S Magnets (your "Uniform Field")...that is what they teach kids when they are just starting to learn about the basics from electric motors and generators.

To me that is the most ridiculous example ever drawn by anyone, since this closed loop of a single wire does not represent -at all- what any of even the smallest machines look like in real life!!

Plus, you go ahead and build that wire loop between two magnets just to find out it is a completely inoperative model...it is just BS.

My opinions and statements are not only based on randomly chosen pics on line...but also on my own, self paid experimentation, development and analysis...and that is Very Vast!


Where do you think that I have learned to draw like I do?


Do you think I just got an "On-Line Training Course"...or I study this skills on the streets painting with chuck ?!!

Nope, I spend many, many years at University (not Technical Career) but University, taking this courses a very long time ago...which was just part of my Engineering Career.

And I have read and own, not only all English written books...based on Electricity Magnetism and the works...but in Russian and Spanish Books about all kind of machines in this Planet.

But, maybe I am not "qualified" either...


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Bistander,

Take a look at this image...:

[IMG][/IMG]

It reads:

Fig. 1.20 Schematic cross section of a synchronous machine with a cylindrical round-rotor (turbogenerator). This is the typical design for all large turbogenerators. Here both the stator and rotor windings are installed in slots, distributed around the periphery of the machine. The lower part shows the resulting waveforms of a pair of conductors, and that of a distributed winding. The formula giving the magneto-motive force (mmf) created by the windings.


Note that Magnetic Axis -at bottom Figure- is exactly where sinewave center peak is, as well as the Two Conductors Dead Center which configures the loop.

Image above from P 19 of this pdf:PRINCIPLES AND OPERATION OF SYNCHRONOUS MACHINES

Read the references at the last page...and consider if it is worth believing it or not.





Thanks


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Credentials

EDIT 1: And finally Bistander, make sure all those images you are searching for and posting here...come from a good source, basically I always make sure that Author(s) are the ones writing as posting images...whenever you go to this huge sites servers for education (edu), must have in mind, like you wrote before...that many not knowledgeable people are the ones in charge to edit and post images...so errors are galore.

Hi Ufo,

I usually do not check out the credentials or the references where I gather illustrations. I mostly use the images to show what I'm talking about because, unlike you, I am unable to draw to wonderful diagrams on the computer. I do attempt to include the source of the images which I barrow so the reader can see for themselves the original context and investigate further.

Regards,

bi

[bistander]

Qualifications

Image taken from:POLYPHASE MOTOR DESIGN

(And please, take a good look at that site, and tell me the Author(s) are not "trained" or don't have the experience enough as to post the wrong images and wrong definitions-explanations...please do!)

OK Ufo,

I'd say not too strong of a background or credentials in electric machinery or magnetic theory. Author is an instructor at a technical college specializing in instrumentation and controls. He says on LinkedIn: Specialties: Technical writing, technical instruction, electronic circuit design (including PCB layout), computer programming (C mostly), technical drawing, welding (gas and arc), machine maintenance, basic machine tool operation (metal lathe mostly), curriculum development, public speaking.

With a 2 year degree (ATT) from Skagit Valley College and some time at Perry Technical institute, I'd say his formal education is weak. He may be a fine technician and instructor, but I see nothing (in a quick search) which would qualify him as an expert in magnetic circuits or electric machinery.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Two Simple Diagrams...not mine.

Hi Ufo,

Thanks for taking the time to search for references. As you suspect, I do it a lot. And on this particular subject I find a tremendous number of incorrect diagrams. I think this is due to these diagrams and tutorials being authored and edited by non-experts and simple explanatory diagrams being considered good enough for the casual reader and correct detail not being necessary.

It is a Global Misunderstanding...

Let me explain...

Normally it is said that "A Motor is just a Generator, as a Generator is also a Motor" ...and am pretty sure you have heard of such affirmation...Well, I believe for people who do not understand fully both kind of machines, this statement could really bring some confusion.

Now, let's analyze an AC Two Pole Rotor and Two Stators...As Motor AC Feed...:

[IMG][/IMG]

Image taken from:POLYPHASE MOTOR DESIGN

(And please, take a good look at that site, and tell me the Author(s) are not "trained" or don't have the experience enough as to post the wrong images and wrong definitions-explanations...please do!)

Now this is exactly the same arrangement as the AC Generator, except that there is no "load" at the end terminals but an AC Sinewave Symbol, meaning, we are feeding it with AC for Motor Operation.

If You note, the times when the rotor is fully aligned with stators coils, that is the time when Stators are Not receiving Current, other words, zero sinewave values (the author does not show arrows with letter "I") for Intensity or Current (same deal). Meaning Motor can Not receive any current when aligned with stators or motor would definitively be locked up.

AC Motor can only receive the peak sinewave (current feed) when it is Not Aligned with Stators, as shown in Steps#1 and Step#3

And this principle is applicable to almost every single motor in the world...even commutator DC Motors, or Brushless DC Two Phase or Single Phase...I mean all...they must be timed to turn on Armature coils whenever they are Off Dead Center to Stators. Or they will -for sure- lock up.

Now, let's use the same, exact Set Up from above, but applying it to an AC Generator (same image I posted previously):

[IMG][/IMG]

Image taken from: BASIC AC THEORY

So, here we are just turning the rotor mechanically by a prime mover, meaning, using it as a Generator (note is written "Load" at the end terminals from stators).

And it is understood that A Motor could be a Generator as well, but, it is quite obvious its functions would be Opposite to each other applications.

Therefore, here takes place, exactly the opposite...Induced Current is Generated when Stator Coils and Rotor are fully aligned. While whenever is Off Stators absolutely no current is generated.

And this is exactly the known issue with Motors being slowed down by the "Generator Effect"...and yes, this effect takes place exactly when stators are aligned with rotor poles for all kind of motors...not after, not before.

There is a conceptual difference between how I view magnetic circuit and the way you do. Essentially connecting lines of flux vs spiraling corkscrews. Even though you apparently consider me an avid subscriber of convention on magnetic theory...

Oh, I am quite aware of such differences...and believe me...I feel sorry for you...





















Just kidding!!

...one place I do deviate is with coil turns. I consider the conductor, not so much the turn, as most do. I think "turns per coil" misleads many.

Regards,

bi

There is absolutely no way, any motor or generator would work at all if only would have a "conductor" and not several Turns of coil windings...

So, definitively, I do consider number of turns, gauge, etc, at the time to evaluate any Electrodynamic Machine.


Regards


Ufopolitics


EDIT 1: And finally Bistander, make sure all those images you are searching for and posting here...come from a good source, basically I always make sure that Author(s) are the ones writing as posting images...whenever you go to this huge sites servers for education (edu), must have in mind, like you wrote before...that many not knowledgeable people are the ones in charge to edit and post images...so errors are galore.

[bistander]

Sinewaves vs rotor position

Hi Ufo,

Thanks for taking the time to search for references. As you suspect, I do it a lot. And on this particular subject I find a tremendous number of incorrect diagrams. I think this is due to these diagrams and tutorials being authored and edited by non-experts and simple explanatory diagrams being considered good enough for the casual reader and correct detail not being necessary.

There is a conceptual difference between how I view magnetic circuit and the way you do. Essentially connecting lines of flux vs spiraling corkscrews. Even though you apparently consider me an avid subscriber of convention on magnetic theory, one place I do deviate is with coil turns. I consider the conductor, not so much the turn, as most do. I think "turns per coil" misleads many.

So back to the discussion at hand:

Hello Bistander,

Ok, let's take a look at simple Images I just picked from a simple search about Sinewave Vs Rotor Turn Position for two pole rotor...:

[IMG][/IMG]

[IMG]notice in All those stages the rotor is fully engaged-aligned to the induced coilspeak sinewave values, and that takes place when rotor is fully aligned with both coils in a straight line.

Now, it is understood that North giving positive and South Negative peaks respectively, is only due to the direction of our induced coils windings...so, this is completely relative.

The main point here is to compare this angles for peak sine again my previous 3K Generator...where the only difference is that four (4) coils are overlapped at each side just like I show below:

[IMG][/IMG]

Which may look complicated like that, but it is nothing more than "spreading a single coil over Space/Time"...so look at image below:

[IMG][/IMG]

Where I have numbered each coil (L1,L2,L3 etc,etc), exactly as prior image.

The Sine graphic for the sweep of this kind of overlapped wiring would just vary because the peak time would be extended through time, due to the adjacent overlapped coils.

Hope all this graphics help you to see it clearly. And responds your question.


Regards


Ufopolitics

DIRECT CURRENT GENERATORS







Ref: http://www.uq.edu.au/_School_Science....html#32.5.6.2

[Ufopolitics]

Another way to look at it ...

Hello again,

This is another way to graphic the way Induction takes place from the Load and Current direction disbursed per Rotor Cycle...:

[IMG][/IMG]

Note that the times there is (exist) current at load, regardless of flowing directions, is when rotor coil (Magnetic Field Bisector or Center Axis) is fully aligned with Generator Field Coils. Or, whenever Sinewave is at its Top Peak Values.

The same exact way works for DC Induction Generators:

[IMG][/IMG]

Except that Current Direction is the same for both aligned rotor coils positions related to the stators N to S B Field Vector.

Taken from:

Lesson in Electric Circuits Vol II


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Wrong Symbols could feed wrong info...

Hello again,

While I was looking for images on this matter, I found a few which state this kind of symbols for the generating coils...:

FIG 1 :WRONG SYMBOL POSITIONING OF STATOR (RELATED TO ROTOR) CREATES CONFUSION:

[IMG][/IMG]

Note that above static coils symbols are different in positioning from the ones seen previously like:

FIG 2 :RIGHT SYMBOLS POSITIONING OF STATOR COILS (RELATED TO ROTOR) AS THEY ARE IN REALITY:

[IMG][/IMG]

And that could create big time confusion, since we may think coils are not straight and aligned with rotor...but side ways.

And this is the completely wrong interpretation!

Just because of a symbol positioning in a drawing...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Two Different type of Generating Coil Winding...

Hello again,

Ok, in order to define the two main winding types on generating coils we may find in a typical two pole rotor generator:

We Start from the original single coil winding which is:

[IMG]1- Generating Coils Overlapped through Space/Time, which is based on my previous graphics on the 3K Gen.:

[IMG]Realizing it will also give us a prolongation of Lenz Forces as we step rotor advancing.

Then we have:

2- Single Coil spread in Space Only:

[IMG][/IMG]

Note here a single Peak would be obtained within a single Time period.

This would be a single peak, but much stronger than a single peak from previous drawing at a paused timing (say T1).

Note the Coils here are spread Only through Ferromagnetic Core Space

It would be a one time peak, but stronger in magnitude (higher peak) as it is the sum from all previous overlapped ones considering the same number of turns and same gauge wire would be used. The same way, we would also have a higher impact Lenz reversed force per one time when entering or leaving the peak sine timing at loaded generator.

Hope you all understand this posts so I can move to next and more advanced stages...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Bistander,

Ok, let's take a look at simple Images I just picked from a simple search about Sinewave Vs Rotor Turn Position for two pole rotor...:

[IMG][/IMG]

[IMG]notice in All those stages the rotor is fully engaged-aligned to the induced coilspeak sinewave values, and that takes place when rotor is fully aligned with both coils in a straight line.

Now, it is understood that North giving positive and South Negative peaks respectively, is only due to the direction of our induced coils windings...so, this is completely relative.

The main point here is to compare this angles for peak sine again my previous 3K Generator...where the only difference is that four (4) coils are overlapped at each side just like I show below:

[IMG][/IMG]

Which may look complicated like that, but it is nothing more than "spreading a single coil over Space/Time"...so look at image below:

[IMG][/IMG]

Where I have numbered each coil (L1,L2,L3 etc,etc), exactly as prior image.

The Sine graphic for the sweep of this kind of overlapped wiring would just vary because the peak time would be extended through time, due to the adjacent overlapped coils.

Hope all this graphics help you to see it clearly. And responds your question.


Regards


Ufopolitics