ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[Ufopolitics]

Synchronous Machines Magneto Motive Force (mmf)

Hello Again,

This time I am reading another nice book about SYNCHRONOUS MACHINES.

48550 Electrical Energy Technology Chapter 6.Synchronous Machines

And in page 15 is this nice Image called:

The mmf of a distributed winding on the rotor of a round-rotor generator

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In the explanation of the above picture it reads...

Rotor Magnetic Field Using the method of superposition on the mmf's of the coils which form the rotor winding, we can derive that the distributions of the mmf and hence the flux density in the air gap are close to sine waves for a round rotor synchronous machine with uniform air gap, as illustrated above.

Description of the two images above: We can clearly see the rotor Magnetic Axis at top and bottom images, where bottom image is a linear spread from above image rotor with the matching numerical sequence of coils conductors (seen as a dot with crosses on right side, meaning leaving screen direction of currents, numbered 1.2.3.4.5 and small dots to the left side of screen reflecting currents entering screen and numbered 6,7,8,9,10)

We can clearly notice at the bottom image center rotor magnetic axis leads exactly to the perfect sinewave peak center values, based on mmf (magneto motive force)

In page 16 it concludes this part by the following text:

In the case of a salient pole rotor, the rotor poles are shaped so that the resultant mmf and flux density would distribute sinusoidally in the air gap, and thus the induced emf in the stator windings linking this flux will also be sinusoidal.

Regards to All


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Loop cancels to zero...

Bistander,

I really do not think it is that hard to understand my point...

Look again at my favorite Graphic:

[IMG]circled in blue is generating a top positive value of +1.0circled in red is generating a top negative value of -1.0+1.0 -1-0 equals to? ...my grandson?

So we have been adding loops which sums a big zero there?

What a job!!


I believe you do need to relax a bit till tomorrow...chill out, too much for one day.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

More coils and stuff

I don't think so, it is very clear...
Why you can not?...

I've tried before. I just can't get through to you. Like on the other thread with the comm and brush size for Ross (I think it was his original question). The book does a much better job than I can. Please study it or the pages after 19 in the article. Page 23 gets into the coil placement.

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[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

I think you are confused with the diagram with respect to space and time.

I don't think so, it is very clear...

But I can't straighten this out

Why you can not?...or is it you are not even sure you can defend such error?

so please refer to your excellent reference in post #660, especially his #6 recommended book at the end. 6. A. E. Fitzgerald and C. Kingsley,Electric Machinery McGraw-Hill, 1971

Oh, the image at post 660?...this one below?

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Now, do you fully understand the Diagram above?

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Do you realize that bottom image is just a "Zoom" from the area I red circled in the upper image above?

The Author of the image just over-imposed the Sinewave (red) to match the coil pitch dots from conductors...as the center magnetic axis (green)

Excellent Art work!!

And it is a small pitch because it is -as you also called below- a distributed winding (I call it overlapped, or "lap" winding, simple, less "technical"), which is smaller than rotor head size, as it is a Synchronous machine.




Yeah, ok...you are actually avoiding me on the simple graphic bistander...

Take care, relax and then go over it again and see that I am completely right about it.

Have a nice end of day


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

coil pitch

Hi Ufo,

I think you are confused with the diagram with respect to space and time. But I can't straighten this out so please refer to your excellent reference in post #660, especially his #6 recommended book at the end. 6. A. E. Fitzgerald and C. Kingsley,Electric Machinery McGraw-Hill, 1971

[Ufopolitics]

That's what I've been saying all along.

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So great!!...We agree on these beautiful Graphics!!



Now, let's proceed...

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Keep going...


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

@At All:

Bistander is referring to "Coil Pitch" as the two points where conductors enter (vertically, then perpendicular to Magnetic Field B Vector) through core elements of an Electric Generator...

Bistander,

The Coil Pitch size/angle is given exactly by the approximate size of the Magnetic Field Rotor Pole Face in any given Electric Generator...

Let's please do not jump to bigger machines until we clear the simple Graphic we both agree on.

Ok?

Fine, let's go back and bring that "single conductor" spinning around a uniform magnetic field and the linear sine wave graph next to it please!!


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Agreed

Do you agree with this graphic?

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Absolutely!!

That's what I've been saying all along.

[bistander]

coil pitch

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Image above from P 19 of this pdf:PRINCIPLES AND OPERATION OF SYNCHRONOUS MACHINES

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[Ufopolitics]

Do you agree with this graphic?

And...Do you agree with this Graphic below?

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[Ufopolitics]

Do you agree with this graphic?

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Absolutely!!

And I also have the rotational spinning field applied to each conductor space/time result exactly as in this graphic right linear image...

Be careful what you post!!

I could use it against you in a Court of Law!!

[bistander]

Yes or no?

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Do you agree with this graphic?

[Ufopolitics]

Kind of like this, right?



Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4r...Q&feature=plcp

Like I wrote before...sometimes I have to use the same vocabulary or the same designs in order for better understanding...since it has been "indoctrinated" for such a long time...that coming with more complex or just different approach will be harder to digest...

But, read my previous post and you will find the big difference between "My Spatula" and "Your Spatula"...

[bistander]

Loop?

...
The drawing you have been showing, about an open loop of a single conductor

Kind of like this, right?



Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4r...Q&feature=plcp

[Ufopolitics]

A Conceptual Error that dates back over 200 years...

Hello to All again,


Please, let's look at this Image that Bistander has uploaded previously to "prove his point" against mine:

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Called: "Developing a Sine Wave" from the site:"MyOdesie.com"

Something wrong in that picture?

Any Errors?

Yes, Definitively...

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But not big deal...there is an even bigger conceptual error that have been transferred from generation to generation...over and over for over 200 years.

Then Bistander, in the same post, added this two more images of this same wire loop sequence (like it was not enough):

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Images above He took them from:

http://www.uq.edu.au/_School_Science_Lessons/UNPh32.6.html#32.5.6.2

The "thing" is... that ALL above "Sequences" of Images that most of you all are familiar with, and can be found in thousands of thousand of sites...Derives from this Original Image below (this terrible copy taken from the first site with the zero error):

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Also same graphic from a much better site, with no errors, plus better resolution image:

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And if we all understand the text below image, it clearly reads:

Voltage over time of sine waveform electricity created when a conductor is rotated through a uniform magnetic field such as in a generator.

It clearly reads "A Conductor", which means just one conductor, or better, ONE SINGLE CONDUCTOR ROTATING THROUGH TIME.... So, it is quite clear that image shows that conductor seeing from above, (so we only see a point) at different positioning of the circle rotation then transferred to a right linear graphic where it matches its Dots Trace for negative-positive values stretched linearly over time.

[IMG]single conductor[/IMG]

This people, did not noticed that it was exactly the same conductor displaced through time at different rotation angles.

From here, many, I mean many more kept showing this nonsense until it became "viral" and has lasted for 200 years...

Other words ...just spinning that Spatula for over 200 years of Time...and teaching the very wrong concepts

Bistander just followed the same viral galloping stampede...like many others across the entire planet...

Ridiculous isn't it?

Now this is a very serious error of interpretation from an original correct and explained graphic...which leads to all kind of wrong conclusions related to Energy Generation Worldwide.

If I were to replace that single wire conductor by A Coil made of conductors...I will just replace it in one single time of rotation position, then spin it through time, just like original graphic did.

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So, when I take it to the Linear Sine wave displacement over time will look like:

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It is nonsense to "materialize" the same conductor at two different times of spatial rotation then build the single loop containing two different times.

But they keep defending such wrong concept..over time


Regards


Ufopolitics