Keshe, Fraud, Fraud or super-plasma-coated Fraud?

[Ernst]

It works It works Chet, wait does that make sense?

This must be done for 3 weeks. Coils show a slight increase on volts.

He probably misread the meter or shall I say meters read different
slightly depending and in this case very slight reading changes.

If this is true not bad for day one.

Don't take this personally, bro' , but running a fan is not a trustworthy measurement.
The control fan could (in a worst case scenario) be blowing into the Magrav fan, helping it and thus reducing its power consumption. Drafts in the house can change the power. Temperature changes and atmospheric pressure can alter it. You can already see that both units consume more power on day 2, than they did on day 1. This can be caused by such differences. So who is to say that fan 1 blows as much air as fan 2?
The difference per day is about the same as the difference between the units, making this difference fall within the error-margin of this test.... But let him run it for a few more days, just to satisfy Keshe, and let us all send good intentions to it.

Ernst.

[BroMikey]

Okay the way I see a 501C3

First let me say that all religious associations use it. Or any "MINISTRY"

quote unquote to minister to the people. I am losing my temper just

thinking about all there is to say about these dogs hiding behind.

I am sure Aaron will agree that people can use a 501C3 correctly.

This is not how it goes down generally. Just to give you all a for instance

say your particular CORP's under review decides that all of it's members

can swap husbands and wives on a revolving basis, and I am not

kidding either, then if the board members rule it is to be handled in

this way, no outside laws of the STATE apply.


I chose this very extreme example because most people would not

think that such an atrocity would even be considered permissible.

You name it, I have witnessed it, inside the membership of a 501C3.


As long as the board members have ruled on it and agree the CORP

can handle things anyway they please without being subject to the

STATE LAW.

Another for instance.

I knew one ministry to say that people could give their money and

then get it back. Meaning they had a FARM area commune. I have been

to many many such fellowships. THEY ALL DISGUST ME.

They would give an invite to come and stay at their FARMLAND housing

dinning-hall you name it.

If you agree to give money on the basis of living there they say it

will be returned. I have watched the process over the last 25 years.

The people go out homeless and broke, their daughter taken in a weak

moment, enticed , wives fondled, right inside this so called umbrella

called a 501C3.

Now no one here is in shock I am sure. We all know what men might do

to others for a fleeting thrill. But here is what I am talking about.


The courts don't care or can't care what happened to you, infact

I heard the supreme court rule that if people want to donate to a

Church it would be like betting on the horses at such and such a track

and no one can stop them. But then don't come crying to the courts

when you lose. That is the big shocker, most people can't believe

that they could be lied to, raped, beaten inside of a 5013C and never

get any outside help from the STATE to enforce common law.

Inside of any 501C3 the members may set up that foundation to

do anything they like. Whatever they say becomes normal inside.

This is how the child abuse by priests is handled, 501C3.

This is how the CHURCH OF SATAN handles their laws.


What is normal on the outside does not apply on the inside unless

you killed someone and even then the members can cover everything

up and say anything they want. And they do just that.


The Keshe thing is no different. Everybody wants to be tax free

and rake in as much money as possible without ever being called to

task for their lying ash dishonesty.

I am fighting mad thinking about what i have seen with my own

eyes over the past years, so I better be quiet now.

[Ernst]

I clicked on their donate button for paypal and paypal gives this message:
"This recipient is currently unable to receive money." Most likely Paypal have received too many complaints - not just for donations but for payments as well. When receiving donations by paypal, once $10k or something is reached in total, the receiving party has to disclose what it goes to. Something like that.

Do you or anyone know what the legal structure of their foundation is?

If it is a 501c3, I'm sure that would be in the states and every penny is accountable. I've worked with several and it is required for 501c3 to disclose their financials. The 501c3, which only means it is a non-profit that permits tax deductions for the donations. The non-profit must disclose contact info specifically for financial inquiries in a reasonable amount of time, meaning, a couple days max - OR, must have financials posted on a website like guidestar.com. For each day that a non-profit does not provide financials (personal info on contributors, etc. is permitted, etc. and other private info), there is a daily fine up to $10k max.

If the Keshe Foundation is organized as some official non-profit in Germany, etc... they probably have similar laws for whatever type of non-profit, etc. they are organized under. Worth looking into.

Unfortunately, I have deleted all my Keshe research, so I have to do this from my memory and I can not provide proof, but maybe someone else can...
If I remember correctly, the Keshe Foundation is registered as a "stichting" (= foundation, serving a public interest) in the Netherlands. I don't know what a 501c3 is, but from what I read here it is very similar or the same.
Keshe has been moving around a bit, first in Belgium, now in Italy, so maybe this registration has also changed. It should be fairly easy to check, their financial info also.

Someone? (I am no longer in NL )

Ernst.

[BroMikey]

Mikey
I'm not asking for the address to the factory or its phone number so I can send donations and prayer cloths
Its to put an end to this nonsense once and for all .


Chet

It works It works Chet, wait does that make sense?

This must be done for 3 weeks. Coils show a slight increase on volts.

He probably misread the meter or shall I say meters read different
slightly depending and in this case very slight reading changes.

If this is true not bad for day one.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgg7j_AKdpQ[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

I clicked on their donate button for paypal and paypal gives this message:
"This recipient is currently unable to receive money." Most likely Paypal have received too many complaints - not just for donations but for payments as well. When receiving donations by paypal, once $10k or something is reached in total, the receiving party has to disclose what it goes to. Something like that.

Do you or anyone know what the legal structure of their foundation is?

If it is a 501c3, I'm sure that would be in the states and every penny is accountable.

No I don't know. Can you imagine John Bedini running his business
like this guy? I have watched first hand how donating for a product
works. You donate and the item is hyped up for a while and the
only accountability there is that it was sent. It could be 3 paper
clips and a spool of thread when you thought it was 3 something
completely different.

When I say accountability, I mean that the produce does what it
was advertised as. That is not how a donation/payment works.

The way it works is that the announcer can say this is what it is
and or this is what it might be, and he is completely free from all
responsibility for the object being what YOU THOUGHT it would be.

Scam. I say Scam now.

Mikey
I'm not asking for the address to the factory or its phone number so I can send donations and prayer cloths

You wouldn't send prayer cloths You wouldn't?

[Aaron]

Keshe Foundation business structure?

He is treating his corporation like a Church group. 501C3

I clicked on their donate button for paypal and paypal gives this message:
"This recipient is currently unable to receive money." Most likely Paypal have received too many complaints - not just for donations but for payments as well. When receiving donations by paypal, once $10k or something is reached in total, the receiving party has to disclose what it goes to. Something like that.

Do you or anyone know what the legal structure of their foundation is?

If it is a 501c3, I'm sure that would be in the states and every penny is accountable. I've worked with several and it is required for 501c3 to disclose their financials. The 501c3, which only means it is a non-profit that permits tax deductions for the donations. The non-profit must disclose contact info specifically for financial inquiries in a reasonable amount of time, meaning, a couple days max - OR, must have financials posted on a website like guidestar.com. For each day that a non-profit does not provide financials (personal info on contributors, etc. is permitted, etc. and other private info), there is a daily fine up to $10k max.

If the Keshe Foundation is organized as some official non-profit in Germany, etc... they probably have similar laws for whatever type of non-profit, etc. they are organized under. Worth looking into.

[RAMSET]

Mikey
I'm not asking for the address to the factory or its phone number so I can send donations and prayer cloths
Its to put an end to this nonsense once and for all .

they Built a thousand units and sent them Out from a factory in the Phillippines ??
where's the factory ? we have Peeps in the Philippines that want to go and buy some units and check them out before they leave...

Chet

[BroMikey]

you sound like my Mother inlaw ,you talk in riddles and make demands.

Hey Chet

Read my previous updated post, I wouldn't give Keshe a penny. I

didn't know he was that irresponsible to make his business into

some kind of religious MANDATORY DONATION.

THAT IS WHY NOT!!!!! DO NOT DONATE

[RAMSET]

Dick
quote
"The answer can be found in the exact same thread".
"If not why Not ??"....
end quote
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you sound like my Mother inlaw ,you talk in riddles and make demands.

if you don't know its OK to say so . the truth will come to light
the world is very small these days and getting smaller all the time.

respectfully
Chet

[BroMikey]

The images change, the story stays the same. Not a single sign units actually being shipped:

Magrav Power System Delivery Status - The Keshe Foundation Forum

It is still the same string of events since 2011.

When I click the BUY NOW button here is what comes up.

He is treating his corporation like a Church group. 501C3

religious exemptions. This keeps him from having people

buy one and try to send it back. The Pope does that too.

This keeps their corporation a one way street. No one

can say anything against a 501C3. You are taking a big

chance buying/donating anything from people who hire Lawyers and

use the 501C3 government umbrella.

I wouldn't give him a nickel knowing what I know now.

I would almost have to say he is dishonest. I didn't know

that about Keshe til now. I have watched Church men abuse the

use of this 501C3, it's a weapon against the people.

I have a profuse dislike for this type of trap.

Okay so I changed my mind.

I don't mind people donating to any cause but when a product is

sold for X amount of $$$$$ then hitting a donate button to

pay only takes away all of your rights.

CLICK HEREKeshe Foundation Shop | Keshe Foundation

Mandatory donation | Keshe Foundation

[BroMikey]

Let's keep the "how to build"-stuff in the other thread, it serves no purpose here.



Ernst.

You mean you don't want me postings here. I hear ya. Just more hate.

[SlickDick]

Dick
It never is all about you or me ,its about US , and in this case putting an end to the wheel of fortunes attached to unsubstantiated claims.

I apologize for the curt behavior associated with the cut and pastes
I just like solutions to these obvious issues [sans the thread tittle]

that's why I go a bit further than what I can read in a google search
I pick up the phone ,Knock on the door ,or go and see people ,not for me or a business interest ,for the benefit of all and a quick solution.

so for clarity you have no address of a factory which can be visited anywhere on Planet earth?

Chet

I respect oldschool ways, no apology needed mate! But please, did you pick up the phone and call the foundation as to where is the production facility (if i would be a journalist, i would start asking te source itself)? If so, what was the outcome? If not, why not?

[RAMSET]

Never is

Dick
It never is all about you or me ,its about US , and in this case putting an end to the wheel of fortunes attached to unsubstantiated claims.

I apologize for the curt behavior associated with the cut and pastes
I just like solutions to these obvious issues [sans the thread tittle]

that's why I go a bit further than what I can read in a google search
I pick up the phone ,Knock on the door ,or go and see people ,not for me or a business interest ,for the benefit of all and a quick solution.

so for clarity you have no address of a factory which can be visited anywhere on Planet earth?

Chet

[SlickDick]

No too Slick.. Dick.

kinda Lame actually [your contribution or lack there of],and to be clear I spent my fair share of time on this a few years back ...NOT cut and paste ..but on the phone with Brazil and wherever else I could find at the time.

Chet

Reason i post some snippets, is so people looking for answers don't have to dig into a 16 page thread. Plus i post link to source of information so people can confirm and/or read the full story for themselves. Also to help you answer the question if anybody recieved one. It saves you the money to buy the device as suggested by Aaron. No need to become hostile.

It is not all about you Chet and your quest for the factory. These people paid with real money, not some time on the phone.

[RAMSET]

No too Slick.. Dick.

kinda Lame actually [your contribution or lack there of],and to be clear I spent my fair share of time on this a few years back ...NOT cut and paste ..but on the phone with Brazil and wherever else I could find at the time.

Chet