Keshe, Fraud, Fraud or super-plasma-coated Fraud?

[BroMikey]

Mikey
I'm not asking for the address to the factory or its phone number so I can send donations and prayer cloths
Its to put an end to this nonsense once and for all .


Chet

It works It works Chet, wait does that make sense?

This must be done for 3 weeks. Coils show a slight increase on volts.

He probably misread the meter or shall I say meters read different
slightly depending and in this case very slight reading changes.

If this is true not bad for day one.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgg7j_AKdpQ[/VIDEO]

[Ernst]

I clicked on their donate button for paypal and paypal gives this message:
"This recipient is currently unable to receive money." Most likely Paypal have received too many complaints - not just for donations but for payments as well. When receiving donations by paypal, once $10k or something is reached in total, the receiving party has to disclose what it goes to. Something like that.

Do you or anyone know what the legal structure of their foundation is?

If it is a 501c3, I'm sure that would be in the states and every penny is accountable. I've worked with several and it is required for 501c3 to disclose their financials. The 501c3, which only means it is a non-profit that permits tax deductions for the donations. The non-profit must disclose contact info specifically for financial inquiries in a reasonable amount of time, meaning, a couple days max - OR, must have financials posted on a website like guidestar.com. For each day that a non-profit does not provide financials (personal info on contributors, etc. is permitted, etc. and other private info), there is a daily fine up to $10k max.

If the Keshe Foundation is organized as some official non-profit in Germany, etc... they probably have similar laws for whatever type of non-profit, etc. they are organized under. Worth looking into.

Unfortunately, I have deleted all my Keshe research, so I have to do this from my memory and I can not provide proof, but maybe someone else can...
If I remember correctly, the Keshe Foundation is registered as a "stichting" (= foundation, serving a public interest) in the Netherlands. I don't know what a 501c3 is, but from what I read here it is very similar or the same.
Keshe has been moving around a bit, first in Belgium, now in Italy, so maybe this registration has also changed. It should be fairly easy to check, their financial info also.

Someone? (I am no longer in NL )

Ernst.

[BroMikey]

Okay the way I see a 501C3

First let me say that all religious associations use it. Or any "MINISTRY"

quote unquote to minister to the people. I am losing my temper just

thinking about all there is to say about these dogs hiding behind.

I am sure Aaron will agree that people can use a 501C3 correctly.

This is not how it goes down generally. Just to give you all a for instance

say your particular CORP's under review decides that all of it's members

can swap husbands and wives on a revolving basis, and I am not

kidding either, then if the board members rule it is to be handled in

this way, no outside laws of the STATE apply.


I chose this very extreme example because most people would not

think that such an atrocity would even be considered permissible.

You name it, I have witnessed it, inside the membership of a 501C3.


As long as the board members have ruled on it and agree the CORP

can handle things anyway they please without being subject to the

STATE LAW.

Another for instance.

I knew one ministry to say that people could give their money and

then get it back. Meaning they had a FARM area commune. I have been

to many many such fellowships. THEY ALL DISGUST ME.

They would give an invite to come and stay at their FARMLAND housing

dinning-hall you name it.

If you agree to give money on the basis of living there they say it

will be returned. I have watched the process over the last 25 years.

The people go out homeless and broke, their daughter taken in a weak

moment, enticed , wives fondled, right inside this so called umbrella

called a 501C3.

Now no one here is in shock I am sure. We all know what men might do

to others for a fleeting thrill. But here is what I am talking about.


The courts don't care or can't care what happened to you, infact

I heard the supreme court rule that if people want to donate to a

Church it would be like betting on the horses at such and such a track

and no one can stop them. But then don't come crying to the courts

when you lose. That is the big shocker, most people can't believe

that they could be lied to, raped, beaten inside of a 5013C and never

get any outside help from the STATE to enforce common law.

Inside of any 501C3 the members may set up that foundation to

do anything they like. Whatever they say becomes normal inside.

This is how the child abuse by priests is handled, 501C3.

This is how the CHURCH OF SATAN handles their laws.


What is normal on the outside does not apply on the inside unless

you killed someone and even then the members can cover everything

up and say anything they want. And they do just that.


The Keshe thing is no different. Everybody wants to be tax free

and rake in as much money as possible without ever being called to

task for their lying ash dishonesty.

I am fighting mad thinking about what i have seen with my own

eyes over the past years, so I better be quiet now.

[Ernst]

It works It works Chet, wait does that make sense?

This must be done for 3 weeks. Coils show a slight increase on volts.

He probably misread the meter or shall I say meters read different
slightly depending and in this case very slight reading changes.

If this is true not bad for day one.

Don't take this personally, bro' , but running a fan is not a trustworthy measurement.
The control fan could (in a worst case scenario) be blowing into the Magrav fan, helping it and thus reducing its power consumption. Drafts in the house can change the power. Temperature changes and atmospheric pressure can alter it. You can already see that both units consume more power on day 2, than they did on day 1. This can be caused by such differences. So who is to say that fan 1 blows as much air as fan 2?
The difference per day is about the same as the difference between the units, making this difference fall within the error-margin of this test.... But let him run it for a few more days, just to satisfy Keshe, and let us all send good intentions to it.

Ernst.

[BroMikey]

No problem Ernie

I think you are right about a lot of things and sometimes I get
carried away

I was thinking the same dern thing, why use 50watts of power
through a wire that is rated at 1000 watts plus. If the electric
makes the nano grow up the wire and it takes 3 weeks to start
peculating, why baby it?

Crank that thing up so the lectric gits that nano stuff doin it's thing
real good and real fast? I don't know why a fan is a problem? I had not
thought on if much as far as what might be the best results for
any given device.

Any way the fan blows doesn't really matter, only time will tell.

The thing about this whole Keshe thing is got me thinking he

has taken a simple chemistry trick to gain media attention.

It's got me wondering, why? Because once I see how a corp

handles it's money and how it deals with the public I have a nose

to smell a rat, so let's just put it that way.

All of the rat seem to be hiding under some sort of legal rug and

then there is the obvious, Mr Keshe elevated smug ways of shaking

off any questions. I can see too you know. I like confidence but

sometimes I see more delusion than reality in his classroom talks.

Let's hope he is more than another money grubbing rat hiding

behind foundations and legal red tape.

Whenever you follow the money back you learn what people are like.

I clicked on their donate button for paypal and paypal gives this message:
"This recipient is currently unable to receive money." Most likely Paypal have received too many complaints - not just for donations but for payments as well. When receiving donations by paypal, once $10k or something is reached in total, the receiving party has to disclose what it goes to.

[Tomata]

BroMikey's reaction when he realised what is the reality of Keshe's nano super duper jumbo stuff.

[VIDEO]watch?v=08i9kvCJvJ0[/VIDEO]

[SlickDick]

Regarding the legal structure.

I have little time, maybe Ernst can translate some text. These docs are from the Keshe power cell technology BVBA, not the "Stichting", i will try to get some documents of the "foundation" part.

Keshe power cell technology BVBA is a commercial limited liability company. Some figures:

https://www.finactum.be/nl/company/BE0819458077/Keshe+Power+Cell+Technology/#

Official notray documents:

http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/tsv_pdf/2009/10/12/09304221.pdf

http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/tsv_pdf/2015/02/09/15021498.pdf

What is interresting is Dirk L owns 5% of the shares. Keshe is the CEO and owns 95%.

Recently there seem to bee issues within the Keshe "group" between Dirk and Keshe.

Pesn has an article about it Keshe Foundation being devastated by Logo Copyright retraction by slandered founder, Dirk Laureyssens.

Maybe this internal conflict has something to do with the paypal problems.

Keshe states

As usual, in the Foundation, we are a peaceful people. We do not confront.

.

With that in mind, please read the following document.

http://clearviewpoints.com/Public_notice_to_Dirk_Lauryssens.pdf

Enjoy the read.

[SlickDick]

Mikey
I'm not asking for the address to the factory or its phone number so I can send donations and prayer cloths
Its to put an end to this nonsense once and for all .

they Built a thousand units and sent them Out from a factory in the Phillippines ??
where's the factory ? we have Peeps in the Philippines that want to go and buy some units and check them out before they leave...

Chet

Why dont you stop trolling, there is no factory, if there was, they would not invite you in. There is no adress. Even the foundation's adres is post adres. The BVBA adres is post adres only.

The phone question was a trick question, they have no public phone number(s) for contact.

[Ernst]

Yes, I could translate, but it is not worthwhile.
The most important things you figured out already. It is a Co. Ltd. for the production of energy-panels (whatever that may be), research and education, and administrative services (?).
The ownership is as you said. They actually paid only 1/3 of the shares value. The companies value is nearing - 1 million EUR (that is minus one million).
Then we get some addresses:
The Keshe Foundation: Jubileumplein 3, 6161 SR Geleen (Nederland).
Mehran TAVAKOLI KESHE, Kapellestraat 51, 8573 Tiegem (Anzegem) (Belgium).
Dirk Laureyssens, Grotesteenweg 408 bus 19, 2600 Antwerpen (Berchem) (Belgium).
The keshe power cell technology Co. Ltd., J. B. Charlierlaan 98, 1560 Hoeilaart (Belgium).

These all appear real addresses to me, not just a P.O. box. You can view them in G-Maps/street view.

I think the foundation docs are more interesting.


Ernst.

[RAMSET]

Naah
all fake just ask Slick he'll tell you everything you need to know..
no phones either ...they must have cut all the lines since the last time I spoke with them...[maybe a religious thing Now]
Factories ?
Slick says No...

thanks Slick ,its good to know such an ultimate authority walks amongst us.
saves a lot of time .

orr does it help perpetuate the same old same old ???
how many years now Slick ??

[BroMikey]

BroMikey's reaction when he realised what is the reality of Keshe's nano super duper jumbo stuff.

[VIDEO]watch?v=08i9kvCJvJ0[/VIDEO]

Why dont you stop trolling, there is no factory, if there was, they would not invite you in. There is no adress. Even the foundation's adres is post adres. The BVBA adres is post adres only.

The phone question was a trick question, they have no public phone number(s) for contact.

Naah
all fake just ask Slick he'll tell you everything you need to know..
no phones either ...they must have cut all the lines since the last time I spoke with them...[maybe a religious thing Now]
Factories ?
Slick says No...

thanks Slick ,its good to know such an ultimate authority walks amongst us.
saves a lot of time .

orr does it help perpetuate the same old same old ???
how many years now Slick ??

You guys are all very funny, I mean that, I come here for the chuckles

as well as the info. What you all have not considered is that this

tact with handling the public has been coming on since the 90's.

I remember calling "TANDY" anyone old enough to remember? Well

all I was trying to do is ask their dept heads a question and I was

connected to "THOMPSON CONSUMER ELECTRONICS" that

was the new name. I had an inverter I wanted to work on and

needed a diagram.

One phone exchange to another I went with this well known company.

I thought what is the world coming to? I got everyone except who I

needed, I mean machines. All I got was answering devices.

This is back 25years. Now-a-days you might as well forget being

connected to a real person with big business and my personal opinion

on why is that the values had shifted to where every guy that came

along thought he could get his money back after using the device

for half the year.

The way I see it is these companies got sick of putting up with the

public harassment. Electrical or electronic devices from China don't

even have any substance many times and don't work, try to call them.

So you see we have all been well acquainted with these frustrations

for quite sometime.

I am not saying I like it any better than you do.

[Ernst]

Keshe states ......

With that in mind, please read the following document.

http://clearviewpoints.com/Public_notice_to_Dirk_Lauryssens.pdf

Enjoy the read.

What drew my attention in this non-confrontational document is that Keshe threatens Dirk with a psychological evaluation, stating that it is a known fact that Dirk was mentally unstable. First I would never start a company with a mentally unstable person, second the thought of threatening someone with a psychological evaluation would never enter my mind.
That would only happen if someone has experience with that sort of thing, I guess. And that may be some indication that Keshe himself has a history of mental issues.
It surely would not surprise me.


Ernst.

[Aaron]

Keshe

https://www.facebook.com/groups/516335221862070/

Dirk L. posts there himself.

I posted this yesterday: Keshe - Fact or Fiction? - A & P Electronic Media by Aaron Murakami & Peter Lindemann

Just wanted to at least link to both threads.

[Aaron]

Keshe

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/13583-facts-about-keshe.html

[SlickDick]

Do you or anyone know what the legal structure of their foundation is?

If it is a 501c3, I'm sure that would be in the states and every penny is accountable.

Regarding the legal structure of the "Stichting". It is a in fact a non-profit organisation in Dutch law. A Stichting is its own legal entity without shareholders. It can provide limited liability protection to the managing directors if the Stichting is registerd in the Chamber of Commerce (The Keshe foundation is). A Stichting is not obligated to publish annual financial statements.

Because of the non-profit nature, Dutch law states the capital and revenues can not be paid dole/dividend to the founders or persons part of the organisation (like the board for example). They can however be paid a salary and expenses. Also, no dole/dividend payments to third parties are allowed, other then out of ideally or social purpose.
Any payment wich does not comply with these laws, is an economical offence.

The document http://clearviewpoints.com/Public_no...Lauryssens.pdf (considering the personal and emotional rants, Keshe himself) is describing exactly such an economical offense.



Using the words profit, commercialized, 3% revenue share, offcourse has nothing to do with non-profit.

These all appear real addresses to me, not just a P.O. box. You can view them in G-Maps/street view.


Ernst.

Both adresses are real and exist. I did not wrote PO Box, or letterbox company, because it is not. You Dutch would refer to such construction "P/A - Per adres". It is not uncommon pratice and it is legal. Some accountant and or administration office, offer this service. They provide the financial and administrative bookkeeping service and mail (physical snail mail) handling and forwarding.