Keshe, Fraud, Fraud or super-plasma-coated Fraud?

[SlickDick]

Ben
This is a good place to look.
[your link] https://www.facebook.com/geert.vranckx.1

I will try to contact a few, I urge anybody reading here to do the same and report back.

these folks span the globe [and so do we] lets try to get some real data and answers .

thanks

Chet

Hi Chet,

I think your post answers the question at hand. If the global span of folks had something to report, it would have been reported.

The video by Ali, posted by Yvonne Hanna https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hym2C-hBClo has neither reported success nor faillure since 6th November.

His comment today:

This is a better design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwGgpoFYux0

Implies he did not succeed making the claims a reality.

I think it is natural for people who believe strongly, they question themselves rather then the claimes. Therefor chances are slim they will report faillure, but eventually move on and leave it open.

[RAMSET]

perspective

Slick
Having recently been involved with active gov,t suppression (as a vicitim)
I will definitely give people the benefit of the doubt .

However one case as opposed to thousands would seem a stretch to say the least.

just one mans opinion

Chet

[Bob Smith]

Before completely dismissing the BS created by Keshe think of the coatings not as "superconductors" but as semiconductors, particularly the use of copper oxide over a dielectric layer of the so called "nano coating" process.

The Keshe project caught my curiosity because I've worked in the area of chemical diodes using some of the same materials and coatings. You can learn more about these coatings by looking up copper oxide and it's uses.

You can look into the Stark and Zeeman effect as well as an Exciton....

The coils are based on a Russian reactor and I found it quite interesting that the diameter ( inside and outside ) of both coil sets are based on Phi - inner coil inside diameter is Phi, the outside diameter of the same coil is Phi x 2. The outer coils inner diameter is Phi^2 and outside diameter is Phi^3. The lengths would suggest a 3.5 to 7 Ghz range of operation with an interesting range of Phi harmonics.

I'm not trying to defend the keshe design in that it works or not, only pointing out some interesting things I've found based on some prior work I've done in this area and how it relates to what keshe appears to be doing. I plan to follow along even if there is no other reason except to refine my skills and knowledge of the doping process used to create a semiconducting diode coating. Maybe there is more there than I'm seeing at the moment and more will become of it - maybe not... either way I come out ahead in my research...

I quite agree with the coil coating acting as a semiconductor. I would only add that its configuration together with the coating, might enable both coated coils to act as a negative resistor.

I'm beginning to wonder if this coil-within-coil config is nothing more than a modified series-wound bifilar pancake coil. What is unique about it is the Phi proportioning between coils. Could it be that this proportioning further enables the coils to "tap into the wheelwork of nature" by allowing them to build on their own spatial resonant frequency (srf)?

See Doc Stiffler's videos below on srf (note: this is not same as self-resonant frequency [SRF]):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOq7-WsL5c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9q_r5_jEP4&list=PL88933A424BCBF5EC

Bob

[dragon]

Bob,

I'm focused on the semiconductor aspect of the layers as it follows some of my current work, I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of negative resistance playing a role here.

It would be interesting to get a read on the coils once assembled to get an idea of their actual spacial frequency. I have followed Dr. Stifflers work building most of what he's shown - some successful others not so much...

It was interesting you brought up the Cook coils in another post( another one I find curious ), there might be something that could be incorporated into those coils as the "insulation" layer. Unfortunately, there is a considerable amount of information left out of the patent... such as "circuit D" and a definition of the "special insulation".

[Bob Smith]

Hi Dragon
Thanks for the answer post. Yes, that missing element in the Cook patent seems to be the stumbling block for many (kind of like what the Big Mac 'special sauce' was when I was a kid. Well, maybe not...).

But anyway, one question that arises for me is that of capacitance. I wonder if the arrangement of these coils creates a certain amount of capacitance that allows them to charge and discharge, perhaps at a very rapid rate. I raise this idea based on my understanding of the Tesla series bifi pancake coil and its elevated capacitance.

We know that the swbifi pancake coil has a high capacitance, and produces high voltage (250,000 x the voltage of a regular pancake coil, according to the patent, I believe). When one looks at the Keshe coils, perhaps we are seeing a similar phenomenon with regard to capacitance. (Perhaps capacitance and srf figure in with the Cook battery more than previously thought as well). And perhaps the opposing windings actually help step up the charge (voltage) they are drawing in from the ambient, presumably from their coating.

Who knows... it's that dang secret sauce.
I hope people don't mind - I'm trying to apply some principles to understanding how this thing might work. We may be already seeing similar phenomena in other exotic technologies right under our noses. I'd like to believe we can make some links to those.

Better get supper on the table.
Respectfully,
Bob

[Ernst]

Ben
This is a good place to look.
[your link] https://www.facebook.com/geert.vranckx.1

I will try to contact a few, I urge anybody reading here to do the same and report back.

these folks span the globe [and so do we] lets try to get some real data and answers .

thanks

Chet

No, here I disagree. When there are hundreds or maybe even thousands of people, all messing with copper wires, caustic soda etc. there is way too much noise generated.
Let one, two,... max. ten serious researches have a look, if you don't trust or don't like one, maybe you can trust one of the others, take their results and learn from that.
It could be that I am not used to reading FB-pages but to me, that page is way too "noisy".

About the Keshe coils. In my opinion,... I see coils made of uninsulated copper wire, it does not match with my experience to assume that an electric current would follow the windings of the coil. It looks to me as one big shorted mess of wire. Coated with super conductors/insulators/semi-conductors... it makes no difference. It is one mess of copper wire, on one point the current goes in, at another point it will come out, and in between it will take the shortest route.


Ernst.

[RAMSET]

we're a bit late to the party

Well
I have to admit the page is quite Bizzy, but I believe we will be able to cherry pick from the bunch .

So far we have two fairly meticulous and skilled builders sharing results.

its a good start.

.

Thx
Chet

[BroMikey]

It's Party Time Gentlemen

Don't Worry RAMSET I am going to hold you up before THE KING
when I am seeking HIS great kindness. You will be set free from
those oppressors.

I enjoyed this video of a young man and his girl making the good stuff.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRcfqWOSs6k[/VIDEO]


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kBRKEijcCc[/VIDEO]


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-u7RLuDNfQ[/VIDEO]



[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImkaVdJ2IQ8[/VIDEO]





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[Ernst]

It is party time for mindless lemmings following some delusional moron.
In case it wasn't really clear, that is exactly what worries me.
Why do people 'en masse' let go of their better judgement and follow someone who has NOTHING but words? And what is worse, his are empty words, empty promises, lies, it is fake wisdom. And it is so d###ed obvious!
This is SO wrong!
It is dangerous....
Why are people so easily manipulated?


and ask yourself who benefits (or could benefit) from this (or something like this).
Do you know how Keshe started his foundation? Do you know who put him where he is today? Do some research....



Ernst.

[Tomata]

Its been more than 3 weeks he gave some units.Not even one of them mention back that is working.Is been 2 weeks he released the plans and no one manage to complete successfully this keshe experiment.

For one think iam sure, no one showed a working apparatus yet. (including Keshe himself)

20hours of lessons on youtube is a lot of time wasted


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[SlickDick]

Its been more than 3 weeks he gave some units.Not even one of them mention back that is working.Is been 2 weeks he released the plans and no one manage to complete successfully this keshe experiment.

For one think iam sure, no one showed a working apparatus yet. (including Keshe himself)

20hours of lessons on youtube is a lot of time wasted


I

Not exactly true my friend.

https://www.facebook.com/KesheAruba/photos/a.629039437233251.1073741829.629020613901800/700138496790011/?type=3&theater

Allegedly has positive results.

[Tomata]

@sd Interesting,so he got 3.3% and after 5 days 4.5%

If this is true at the end of this month we should see a full working apparatus.
Wait more 2-3 weeks is no issue

[SlickDick]

It is party time for mindless lemmings following some delusional moron.
In case it wasn't really clear, that is exactly what worries me.
Why do people 'en masse' let go of their better judgement and follow someone who has NOTHING but words? And what is worse, his are empty words, empty promises, lies, it is fake wisdom. And it is so d###ed obvious!
This is SO wrong!
It is dangerous....
Why are people so easily manipulated?


and ask yourself who benefits (or could benefit) from this (or something like this).
Do you know how Keshe started his foundation? Do you know who put him where he is today? Do some research....



Ernst.

I feel your pain Ernst. It is worrysome.

Keshe clearly is filling the void. I don't think it has anything to do with people letting go of better judgement. Wanting to believe seems to prevail over better judgement. Very much like religion. Arguing based on facts about believes is a futile exercise.

[SlickDick]

@sd Interesting,so he got 3.3% and after 5 days 4.5%

If this is true at the end of this month we should see a full working apparatus.
Wait more 2-3 weeks is no issue

There is no indication it is true. Just a fanboy posting without any supporting evidence to back it up.

[bistander]

Test valid???

https://www.facebook.com/KesheAruba/photos/a.629039437233251.1073741829.629020613901800/700138496790011/?type=3&theater

Allegedly has positive results.

By Keshe Foundation Aruba, who claim 950-1000 Watts into a 40 Watt fan as the load. You think you might question their competency using those measuring devices?