Keshe, Fraud, Fraud or super-plasma-coated Fraud?

[Aaron]

scam qualification

I can't tell you how many emails I get with people asking me about the reality of Keshe. My default answer is that I have never focused on any of it because there is too much review and time will tell.

Whether a technology works or not doesn't have anything to do with being a scam because there are many people with legitimate things over the years that have pulled quite elaborate scams - legitimate services all flushed down the drain because some greedy imbecile plays some pump and dump game with stock prices - scam with something that works. So even if something works, it can still be part of a scam and of course that doesn't rule out the fact that things that don't work are parts of scams too - just a distinction that needs to be stated.

I see this nano-coat business that is supposed to coat my entire electrical system? Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but that isn't what qualifies it as a scam.

This is - even without getting into this nano coated coil business, the Keshe Foundation had a website selling plasma batteries for many hundreds of dollars that were supposed to be able to help get a house off the grid. People have spent good money on those. It was brought to my attention several months ago.

My question is - show me one person that has ever received one of these plasma batteries for hundreds of dollars, actually hundreds of Euros, let alone whether they work or not.

Now, Magravs Power system is being sold for $500.

Again, where is one single person on the entire planet that has received one of the Keshe Power Cells (plasma battery) that can be verified? I don't know how much money was raked in over that one single product - none of us will ever know - but one thing seems certain, nobody ever received one - what does that tell everyone?

That is a totally separate issue of whether or not the technical claims are true or false - can the supporters of Keshe explain this one please?

I'm going to post a blog on home - A & P Electronic Media by Aaron Murakami & Peter Lindemann about Keshe and will make it very brief and simple and to be fair to the supporters, I'll also send some traffic to this thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...blueprint.html

I can't outright denounce the entire Keshe ordeal, but there is too much that doesn't make sense, convenience of timing of when he has something that works and when something is unavailable to view, etc... that is a long list and there is more going against Keshe than going for him as far as verifying anything.

[bistander]

They probably mean 950 and 1000 Watt-Hours.

Yes, I think so too. But my point remains. Trusting someone who can't get the units correct for power and energy to conduct and publish the test is just as bad.

bi

[Ben2503]

watt hours

By Keshe Foundation Aruba, who claim 950-1000 Watts into a 40 Watt fan as the load. You think you might question their competency using those measuring devices?

They probably mean 950 and 1000 Watt-Hours.
The only problem I have with this set-up is the fact that these Watt-hours meters are probably not recently calibrated. These meters have a lot of moving parts and are bound to become less accurate over time. The initial accuracy is < 2%, depending on power factor and load.

But time will tell, if the 'energy savings' remain around 5% then calibration is the issue, else they might have a real energy saving device.

Personally I would make recordings every 24 hours and then swap the meters, just to be sure.
Interesting though

Best regards,
Ben

[SlickDick]

By Keshe Foundation Aruba, who claim 950-1000 Watts into a 40 Watt fan as the load. You think you might question their competency using those measuring devices?

You would think it is'nt rocket sience, but try to explain that to the KF Spaceship Institute.

[bistander]

Test valid???

https://www.facebook.com/KesheAruba/photos/a.629039437233251.1073741829.629020613901800/700138496790011/?type=3&theater

Allegedly has positive results.

By Keshe Foundation Aruba, who claim 950-1000 Watts into a 40 Watt fan as the load. You think you might question their competency using those measuring devices?

[SlickDick]

@sd Interesting,so he got 3.3% and after 5 days 4.5%

If this is true at the end of this month we should see a full working apparatus.
Wait more 2-3 weeks is no issue

There is no indication it is true. Just a fanboy posting without any supporting evidence to back it up.

[SlickDick]

It is party time for mindless lemmings following some delusional moron.
In case it wasn't really clear, that is exactly what worries me.
Why do people 'en masse' let go of their better judgement and follow someone who has NOTHING but words? And what is worse, his are empty words, empty promises, lies, it is fake wisdom. And it is so d###ed obvious!
This is SO wrong!
It is dangerous....
Why are people so easily manipulated?


and ask yourself who benefits (or could benefit) from this (or something like this).
Do you know how Keshe started his foundation? Do you know who put him where he is today? Do some research....



Ernst.

I feel your pain Ernst. It is worrysome.

Keshe clearly is filling the void. I don't think it has anything to do with people letting go of better judgement. Wanting to believe seems to prevail over better judgement. Very much like religion. Arguing based on facts about believes is a futile exercise.

[Tomata]

@sd Interesting,so he got 3.3% and after 5 days 4.5%

If this is true at the end of this month we should see a full working apparatus.
Wait more 2-3 weeks is no issue

[SlickDick]

Its been more than 3 weeks he gave some units.Not even one of them mention back that is working.Is been 2 weeks he released the plans and no one manage to complete successfully this keshe experiment.

For one think iam sure, no one showed a working apparatus yet. (including Keshe himself)

20hours of lessons on youtube is a lot of time wasted


I

Not exactly true my friend.

https://www.facebook.com/KesheAruba/photos/a.629039437233251.1073741829.629020613901800/700138496790011/?type=3&theater

Allegedly has positive results.

[Tomata]

Its been more than 3 weeks he gave some units.Not even one of them mention back that is working.Is been 2 weeks he released the plans and no one manage to complete successfully this keshe experiment.

For one think iam sure, no one showed a working apparatus yet. (including Keshe himself)

20hours of lessons on youtube is a lot of time wasted


I

[Ernst]

It is party time for mindless lemmings following some delusional moron.
In case it wasn't really clear, that is exactly what worries me.
Why do people 'en masse' let go of their better judgement and follow someone who has NOTHING but words? And what is worse, his are empty words, empty promises, lies, it is fake wisdom. And it is so d###ed obvious!
This is SO wrong!
It is dangerous....
Why are people so easily manipulated?


and ask yourself who benefits (or could benefit) from this (or something like this).
Do you know how Keshe started his foundation? Do you know who put him where he is today? Do some research....



Ernst.

[BroMikey]

It's Party Time Gentlemen

Don't Worry RAMSET I am going to hold you up before THE KING
when I am seeking HIS great kindness. You will be set free from
those oppressors.

I enjoyed this video of a young man and his girl making the good stuff.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRcfqWOSs6k[/VIDEO]


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kBRKEijcCc[/VIDEO]


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-u7RLuDNfQ[/VIDEO]



[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImkaVdJ2IQ8[/VIDEO]





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[RAMSET]

we're a bit late to the party

Well
I have to admit the page is quite Bizzy, but I believe we will be able to cherry pick from the bunch .

So far we have two fairly meticulous and skilled builders sharing results.

its a good start.

.

Thx
Chet

[Ernst]

Ben
This is a good place to look.
[your link] https://www.facebook.com/geert.vranckx.1

I will try to contact a few, I urge anybody reading here to do the same and report back.

these folks span the globe [and so do we] lets try to get some real data and answers .

thanks

Chet

No, here I disagree. When there are hundreds or maybe even thousands of people, all messing with copper wires, caustic soda etc. there is way too much noise generated.
Let one, two,... max. ten serious researches have a look, if you don't trust or don't like one, maybe you can trust one of the others, take their results and learn from that.
It could be that I am not used to reading FB-pages but to me, that page is way too "noisy".

About the Keshe coils. In my opinion,... I see coils made of uninsulated copper wire, it does not match with my experience to assume that an electric current would follow the windings of the coil. It looks to me as one big shorted mess of wire. Coated with super conductors/insulators/semi-conductors... it makes no difference. It is one mess of copper wire, on one point the current goes in, at another point it will come out, and in between it will take the shortest route.


Ernst.

[Bob Smith]

Hi Dragon
Thanks for the answer post. Yes, that missing element in the Cook patent seems to be the stumbling block for many (kind of like what the Big Mac 'special sauce' was when I was a kid. Well, maybe not...).

But anyway, one question that arises for me is that of capacitance. I wonder if the arrangement of these coils creates a certain amount of capacitance that allows them to charge and discharge, perhaps at a very rapid rate. I raise this idea based on my understanding of the Tesla series bifi pancake coil and its elevated capacitance.

We know that the swbifi pancake coil has a high capacitance, and produces high voltage (250,000 x the voltage of a regular pancake coil, according to the patent, I believe). When one looks at the Keshe coils, perhaps we are seeing a similar phenomenon with regard to capacitance. (Perhaps capacitance and srf figure in with the Cook battery more than previously thought as well). And perhaps the opposing windings actually help step up the charge (voltage) they are drawing in from the ambient, presumably from their coating.

Who knows... it's that dang secret sauce.
I hope people don't mind - I'm trying to apply some principles to understanding how this thing might work. We may be already seeing similar phenomena in other exotic technologies right under our noses. I'd like to believe we can make some links to those.

Better get supper on the table.
Respectfully,
Bob