Motor Generators

[BroMikey]

More on principles for Dave and group. Nice shop dave, lots of parts and remodeling tools. The car points are nice. Hey dave show your ZF whatever powering a 2nd battery, there is no moron.

[BroMikey]

Here are a few results or data. In the 2.5hr video it was shown how for the same motor power conventional uses 4x the energy. Learn to measure with the data. Your puckering up is funny. Why should I do another video to teach if you can't learn from Pete?

[Turion]

You just admitted the you did not comprehend the Lindemann video and the cop 8.

8 x (almost nothing for input) is still not a whole lot. It's a motor, not a generator.

You guys charged a battery like matt? No JB is the guy who used 1 source battery and 1 charge battery but you credit whoever you want.

Thanks, we will. The circuit we are using is not JB's circuit, so it is not the same.
Is a VW a Tesla, just because they are both cars? Don't think so. Is everybody who owns a TESLA supposed to bow down to VW because VW made their car first? LOL

Just like you changed the names of your motor using the zero force principle.

Yes, we did, so we could tell the two apart when talking about them. Would you prefer that all children were named Bob just because they are children, or would you rather we gave them different names so we could tell them apart when talking about them. YOU are ridiculous.

All I see is 2 plastic rotor turning and the high speed of 50rpm in your video. These are not results. You have no data. Go back to the Lindemann motor secrets instructional and learn how to present data.

Again, you are a moron. I need no data. The motor was built for ONE PURPOSE. It was a prototype to see if the machine could be run as a Zero Force type motor in a totally different configuration. It PROVED that it could. That was the entire purpose. It needed to either succeed or fail. It succeeded. Therefore it did EXACTLY what it was designed to do. PERFORMANCE data is an entirely different thing. Any researcher would know that.

You can only get out as much as you put in to the coil is false. Of course you will deny you said it if boxed in.

I never said that, and you know it. I said the output is limited to the input + the CEMF + the spike from coil collapse. But since the Lindemann attraction motor HAS no CEMF, the output is limited to the input + the spike from the coil collapse. If you know another way to get power out of a coil used in THAT configuration, please show us all how smart you are, or are not. And THAT motor is limited to one coil and is expensive to build.

By the way, there ARE ways to get more power out of a coil, but I wonder if YOU know what they are, and none of the ones I know would work in THAT configuration.

[BroMikey]

You just admitted the you did not comprehend the Lindemann video and the cop 8.
You guys charged a battery like matt? No JB is the guy who used 1 source battery and 1 charge battery but you credit whoever you want. Just like you changed the names of your motor using the zero force principle. Then because you say it's all obsolete and time to move on. Same ole long winded dave. said very little, oh other than Lindemann's attraction motor can only do COP1. These statements are false, go listen to the video again.

All I see is 2 plastic rotor turning and the high speed of 50rpm in your video. These are not results. You have no data. Go back to the Lindemann motor secrets instructional and learn how to present data.

You can only get out as much as you put in to the coil is false. Of course you will deny you said it if boxed in. You think all of these ideas come from your group? Show me something other than your big ole mouth. Show me data like Peter does.

[Turion]

The motors are just prototypes, as is the Matt motor. Each teaches us something. The Matt motor was a prototype to TEACH A CONCEPT, not to run your house. Take the best from EACH and combine it. The "Zero Force" motor is a perfect example. Bob French and I both built SEVERAL versions of that motor. In the video you posted, you see John run a rotor between two "poles" wrapped with wire. Bob and I saw that we could get it to work with a double rotor configuration as shown below. My "prototype" was built out of two of the original rotors from my generator, and one of my old generator coils. It wasn't built to look good, it was built to test a CONCEPT. That was the first build, and the only reason there is a video of it in existence is because I made it to show Bob that it would work. You don't see it in the video, but this thing just continued to speed up and up and up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXOu49oVhHs

THEN we took the coil out and replaced it with a circle of plastic about 1/4" thick (which allowed the rotors to move in VERY close to each other) that is shaped like a toroid, and wound coils around this FLAT piece of plastic that was as wide as the 2" wide magnets I had on these rotors. So between the coils the plastic was only 1/4" thick plus the wire wrapped around it. Because the coil was curved, the two coils went most the way around the circle. It gave INCREDIBLE torque, speed, and the amp draw went down. It doesn't take much to fire the coil between two North facing magnets and produce TREMENDOUS torque, because two N facing magnets compressed together magnify the magnetic field, and this "SUPER" magnet wants to follow the flux field in the coil just like a regular magnet. We called it the "Superpole motor" to distinguish it from the Zero Force Motor. It's really a "super rotor" motor, but Superpole sounded cooler, and we DID modify the way the coil was wound. THEN we put FOUR coils on the "toroid". We took what John gave us, which I have always said was his GREATEST GIFT to us, and used what we ALREADY KNEW to vastly IMPROVE on it. That is the purpose of prototypes. Test concepts, find something that works, and improve it. You should try it instead of making fun of the work I have done. But wait, you don't have one. Haven't built one. Don't know what is good or bad about it. It's strengths and weaknesses. Have NEVER modified one and tried to improve production. Are happy to sit there and put down the work of others when you know nothing about it.

Dave's zero force whatever

Then we ran THAT on the 3 battery system and recovered much of the energy because it is a pulse motor and works as an "interruptor" which lets the input voltage plus the coil collapse go into the charge battery. (which we learned is possible from the Matt Motor prototype.) Oh, and it does it BETTER than the Matt modified motor, so I haven't built a Matt modified motor in YEARS. But that doesn't mean it was not VALUABLE and didn't teach me anything, because it DID. There IS no CEMF in the ZFM as John explains in the video you posted.

Now, as good as the IMPROVED Zero Force motor was, we found something BETTER and moved on. Because that's what you DO when you are researching. The ONLY benefit of the Zero Force motor is it did not produce CEMF or back EMF, so ran on far less. Its torque was limited, but it was capable of high speeds.

But once you learn to harness the CEMF so that it is not fighting the input voltage, you want as MUCH of it as possible. And THAT is the step beyond the Superpole motor if you want a MOTOR.

Now start looking at the benefits and negatives of the Lindemann attraction motor. A coil will never put out MORE than is input + the CEMF+ the collapsing spike x the number of times it is fired, which is once per rotation on this machine. If you think his motor will "generate" more than that, you are living in Fantasy Land. And the machine HAS no CEMF (No Lenz, remember) and only ONE coil to produce power. So you LOSE the benefit of CEMF to gain 0 Lenz operation.
It has no LENZ. That is its only advantage, other than the TORQUE from the larger coil with a core that may produce more flux than what is used to do work in the Zero Force motor. I know how much MORE torque the Superpole motor has than the Zero Force motor, so I will stick with it. Which costs less and is simpler to build? The Zero Force motor or the Lindemann Attraction Motor? As far as I am concerned, it is a no brainer.

For those needing a high voltage and high amperage magnetic switch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRJRo2nENkk&t=8s

If you glue a magnet under the movable piece just below where it makes contact, you can use a magnet on the rotor of the same polarity to push it UP and make the contact. So this whole thing can be above the rotor instead of below it. Lots of options, limited only by your creativity and imagination.

[BroMikey]

Everybody has a zero force motor except me but no one tells you the results of recycled power.

That is because something must keep COP to under one

[BroMikey]

Zero force and dual circuit diagram

[BroMikey]

Zero force explained by the best

[BroMikey]

Dave's zero force whatever

[BroMikey]

Zero force motor zero lenz motor lenz free motor to special recovery circuits just like the 3 battery gen stuff. That 3 battery is JB way of recovering or recycling joules. A scooter motor won't do.

These motors are in the books for a reason and not the mod motor. Unlike other contraptions these are high COP motors

[BroMikey]

Nice theoretical test. Poor man's T switch, got it now. So ladies and gentleman what we have is a modified scooter motor that burns out brushes right and left that is a cheap poor man's T switch. Nevermind that the cop is 1. Nice. Who likes cop 8 better, raise your hand. Well then it's time to grow up biggy boy and build the Lindemann attraction motor or John boy's (zero force) zero lenz motor instead, connecting them to the 3 battery circuit.

That is why John B would not put Matt's motor in the books, it serves only to side track from the real motors that should be built. Now I could understand it if the mysterious mod motor could glow and levitate but it doesn't.

The mod motor did get hot when running more than 1 amp and then I had to replace the burned up brushes in about 150-200 hours of use. Now if you are really a serous experimenter you probably would not spend $1500 dollars to see a cop 1 if you spend long enough and get lucky enough to blindly shoot into the dark on mod motor timing plus load balancing. Any takers?

Hey Dave has a 1 battery circuit too, right Dave?

[Turion]

By all means, build the Lindemann motor. YOU are the one who showed the video of the 3 Battery System and the attempted debunking of it by Tinman. And the 3 Battery system is nothing but a poor man's Tesla Switch, for someone who only has THREE batteries instead of four, so ALL that information applies.

[BroMikey]

"USE FOR THE TESLA SWITCH"

There is PLEANTY of information on that page WITHOUT going to the old thread.

I thought we were talking about the 3 battery systems with modified motor? Please clarify how you suddenly bridge to tesla switch. most will see these posts and say something is fishy when the discussion of 3 battery to modified motor is proven by studying old tesla switch documents.

Why not just post a working version. Matt came on and showed us his motor but never connected it to 3 batteries. Most people will see a guy like Peter Lindemann that shows a picture of the circuits and a video of an actual working motor. Why would they spend the rest of their lives chasing unicorns when they can build the real thing?

I think Lindemann's attraction motor is a real working device and he has merit yet we are spending all of our time frantically looking for rainbows.

[Turion]

all dead links
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa....html#post7525

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/962-use-tesla-switch-7.html

and about 10 more dead links that make proving stuff laughable.

Those links may be DEAD because this forum was changed all around a couple years back. They are ALL from the "USE FOR THE TESLA SWITCH" thread which is still here. The specific post number is in the "broken" link, so anyone who is serious could research it if they wanted. Only the links that go to Matt's Server are truly impossible to access at this time. There is PLEANTY of information on that page WITHOUT going to the old thread.

[BroMikey]

Here is the only modified Matt motor set in a 3 battery circuit on the internet. The batteries stay up better than a regular motor. Now whether that is the same as a Tesla switch, I have no idea. Some say it is a rotary Tesla switch.

The batteries are low resistance high dollar, $1200 for the set of 12. So far running the 3 battery circuit with inverters is not as good but the banks must be charged up as they go down low and begin deteriorating. It takes over nite to charge and then I can make runs taking measurements til the cows come home and it's back on the wall wart block transformer to get another drink of power. Cop 1 was not reached because I did not do what wantomake did. He installed a generator to collect the wasted mechanical coming from the modified motor. As soon as he got cop 1 he vanished. Up until then he begged for help everyday and showed us his machines.

As far as I know this is the only video on the subject.