Basic Free Energy Device

[Turion]

Lol

It's all yours.

[i_ron]

No one forbade you, we just asked you to show your work. And the moron couldn't. So we are to blame because you want all detail exposed with no work and no financial support. Support anyone you want, but show your work or shut the f**k up.

Cheers
Matt

LOL, I am glad to see you have not lost your finesse!!!

Mostly the stumbling work of a moron... i appologise

https://www.youtube.com/user/rohndoe/videos

Up up yours too!

Ron

[Matthew Jones]

Matt you have a valid point, to release this info on a public forum is not the answer.

May I offer a suggestion? I would be willing to sign an NDA for a detailed PDF, or some such, with coil winding and build construction details... and sent out to those you trust who request the PDF under this constraint. Would that fly?

Ron

NO!! It don't fly. Do your own work, and god speed to ya.

[Matthew Jones]

This is all that will happen by explaining but not sharing fully.. Everyone will come out and either understand our point or they will come out and attack us because at one time we might not have understood fully what we were seeing.

There will be nothing gained. No one will take up the en devour we will only be encouraged by those who will not replicate, EVEN IN THE FACE OF OFFERING A BOOK DEAL or discussion there'bout.

I really hate it when David starts these things although I truly love David, the rest of ya'll are worthless. Sickening give me's.... My stomach turns, the worthless moan and on to convention we go!!!


I'm going away now, F**king pukes sicken me. But no one cares anyway.

Matt

[i_ron]

Those are the cooperate engineers who HOPE to understand.
Matt

Matt you have a valid point, to release this info on a public forum is not the answer.

May I offer a suggestion? I would be willing to sign an NDA for a detailed PDF, or some such, with coil winding and build construction details... and sent out to those you trust who request the PDF under this constraint. Would that fly?

Ron

[Matthew Jones]

One doesn't dare, as the way the two of them have it setup you have to take sides. The George Bush style... either you are for me or you are a terrorist... brown nosers in one corner and terrorists in the other.

There needs to be a greater level of tolerance, a better spirit of co-operation. We shouldn't have to pay our dues before being accepted in to the forum.

I built Matt's device way back when and when it didn't work I was dismissed as a know nothing... so I have taken a sabbatical to clear my mind. I return now on Turion's fantastic claim but how many hoops must I jump through to get any build information?

I fully support David E and erfinder, they speak their minds, they speak for us, Is this forbidden in this list?

Ron

No one forbade you, we just asked you to show your work. And the moron couldn't. So we are to blame because you want all detail exposed with no work and no financial support. Support anyone you want, but show your work or shut the f**k up.

Cheers
Matt

[i_ron]

support

As I write this, there are 27 viewers reviewing this thread. Open your mouths people, get involved, you are here for a reason, I would like to think that its to participate in an open discussion, an exchange of ideas, and impressions.


Regards

One doesn't dare, as the way the two of them have it setup you have to take sides. The George Bush style... either you are for me or you are a terrorist... brown nosers in one corner and terrorists in the other.

There needs to be a greater level of tolerance, a better spirit of co-operation. We shouldn't have to pay our dues before being accepted in to the forum.

I built Matt's device way back when and when it didn't work I was dismissed as a know nothing... so I have taken a sabbatical to clear my mind. I return now on Turion's fantastic claim but how many hoops must I jump through to get any build information?

I fully support David E and erfinder, they speak their minds, they speak for us, Is this forbidden in this list?

Ron

[med.3012]

hello everyone


hi erfinder, i just have some though about the essence of free energy sciences, i remember here Don Smith 1996 video when he talked about what free energy can bring to the world especially his device, it can solve three main problems :

1-food
2-water
3- energy ...

the wars will end and we can live in peace and harmony... when someone asked him to see what's inside his device he refused but that person if i remember asked him a question : did N Tesla interested in money ? so D smith can't reply this question because it's clear ... it's all about money, where is our right to learn what's behind this technology? it's something beyond us All .. something greater than anything we may know ...

the earth receive the sunlight each day 24/24 for free, we respire the air for free, water etc ... when the turn come to this science it can be classified with water, air, ... and we all know the impact of Fossil fuels against the water we drink and against the air we respire..

in other words free energy is a mean but not a destination because if we concentrate about money we lost a lots of thing more valuable ... we lost the water we drink and we lost the air and much more ... when the power is concentrated in a few people they can do a horrible things ...

the good news is there's a lots are aware about this and they can help, how and when i don't know but the more we teach these knowledge the more we learn ...

[Turion]

erfinder,

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you are saying, but I believe stepping into a discussion it that level would be to begin discussing a bicycle before we understand that a wheel can be far more than a round rock with a hole in the center.

I think the discussion needs to start with the coil itself, as that is what both machines are comprised of. What do we assume it does? What does it actually do? What makes it do the things it does? How do we impact what the coil is going to do in a way that us favorable to us, both as a motive device and as a generating device? That was the main reason I started the thread on "your Basic Coil" Because once you understand and can control ONE coil in a way that is biased toward producing the results you want, you have MOST of your answers.

And here would be my first contribution to this most basic and MOST important of discussions.... When a pulse of energy from a high potential is sent through a coil to a low potential, the amount of energy that is received by the lower potential can be equal to or greater than that which was sent.

[Matthew Jones]

As I see it, an energizer is a DC biased magneto. This biasing enables it to operate as its own prime mover. In the energizer we find two generating functions, the two operate more or less simultaneously, they are regular generator action, and self-induction. The generator action proper is not accessible, as is true in just about every "motoring" apparatus, the generator proper sees the supply as if it were a load, one which it cannot charge for reasons all should be very familiar with.

If your consuming then you do not understand even you own word....

As I write this, there are 27 viewers reviewing this thread. Open your mouths people, get involved, you are here for a reason, I would like to think that its to participate in an open discussion, an exchange of ideas, and impressions.

Those are the cooperate engineers who HOPE to understand. As to your earlier statement endorsing DavidE, the cooperate oligarchy has the money and the potential to spread this, whether they steal it or buy it is up to the holder of the technology. Boxes build nothing. Wolfs attack the weak. Oil and fossil fuel is weak. If you have something give it away, sell it, or stew in your own $hit. Thats the word of the day brothers and sisters.

The rest is just babble...and never to be heard from again.

Matt

[erfinder]

Just to throw something out there...as it has been discussed here on the forum, I believe I would define a generator as a device for producing power which requires an exterior motive force to run it while an energizer provides its own motive force with production of excess energy (meaning more than that which is required to turn it) being its purpose. Or at least that is how those two terms have been used on this forum

As I see it, an energizer is a DC biased magneto. This biasing enables it to operate as its own prime mover. In the energizer we find two generating functions, the two operate more or less simultaneously, they are regular generator action, and self-induction. The generator action proper is not accessible, as is true in just about every "motoring" apparatus, the generator proper sees the supply as if it were a load, one which it cannot charge for reasons all should be very familiar with. This doesn't stop this device from being considered (at least by me) as generator. In it the generating mechanism that one capitalizes on is self-induction, I have come to understand and experience self-induction multifaceted.

A generator proper, you don't need me to elaborate on, you know how they operate.

The description I just gave of the energizer is basic. My full interpretation of this device requires a few more words. I will wait till others have had the chance to voice their opinions and views before I bore anyone with more theory.

As the energizer is the heart of the apparatus which is the focus of this discussion, I am of the opinion that it is of paramount importance that we get to the bottom of what it may be. What it is only JB knows, he introduces us to the term. We can and should focus our speculation on the seeds "he" planted.

As I write this, there are 27 viewers reviewing this thread. Open your mouths people, get involved, you are here for a reason, I would like to think that its to participate in an open discussion, an exchange of ideas, and impressions.


Regards

[Turion]

My thought

Just to throw something out there...as it has been discussed here on the forum, I believe I would define a generator as a device for producing power which requires an exterior motive force to run it while an energizer provides its own motive force with production of excess energy (meaning more than that which is required to turn it) being its purpose. Or at least that is how those two terms have been used on this forum

[erfinder]

So in the spirit of that, I'll respond to your question with a question. Is there a difference between an energizer and a generator?

Yes, in my opinion there is.

Regards

[Turion]

Thoughts

Erfinder,
You are correct. This thread was started to discuss a basic working free energy device.
A motor
An energizer
A circuit
Flywheel
But if you read the first two posts I made you would also have read that my intention was to base my discussion NOT on the device built by John B, even though I started by talking about him, but on a device built by Matt Jones, which I replicated and then scaled up to a MUCH larger device which I have been working on for two years. I also specifically stated my reasons for this as being that while John B's device and its larger counterpart, the Watson machine, have been much talked about over the years, there is a lack of specifics. What was the size of the coil, length of wire, core material, size of core, core material, size of magnets, etc.

With Matt's device, I have all those specifics. I also have built a working replication. I believe Matt's original two coil device was 45 watts input and 80 or so watts output. That was without trying to recover any of the power used to run the motor. Using the 3BGS or a potential difference circuit enables you to recover most of that power. But you are correct. We have beat that into submission and its time to move on.

So in the spirit of that, I'll respond to your question with a question. Is there a difference between an energizer and a generator?

[erfinder]

Ok....so just finished reviewing the first few pages of this thread. Seems the path that was set was to be a discussion and walk through as it were of the

Bedini Free Energy Generator

That discussion was immediately derailed by discussion of the 3BGS. Hell x pages into the thread and 3BGS still dominates the discussion. So here's that question which I have yet to hear anyone answer. Here is where I come into this discussion, the original discussion.

What is an energizer?

Regards