Basic Free Energy Device

[wrtner]

We could not conclude the deal because we could not get him a visa into the West.

Do you mean the paperwork to leave or the paperwork to enter?

[a.king21]

erfinder,
Perhaps there are some areas we can agree on, perhaps not. Until we start sharing, or at least pointing out what we see, we'll never know.

I would start by saying this...As I see it, it is NOT amps we are searching for in ANY of our builds, it is volts. Lots of them. Thousands and thousands of them if possible. Because we have at our disposal a magic device called a capacitor. By using capacitors we can turn high voltage at incredibly low ams into lower voltage at higher amps that can do usable work. Big coils with high impedance and lots of wires. So I look for ways to generate tremendous voltage without regard for amperage at the cheapest cost.

Can we agree on this much or no?

I would venture to say this is how the power companies work. They send tremendously high voltage down the lines for minimal cost or effort. Why? Because voltage without amps moves INSTANTY. When the voltage gets to the local substation it is used to fill HUGE oil filled capacitors that change the high voltage to lower voltage at higher amps. It is from this that you receive your local power.
This is a fairly simplistic explanation, but I believe it is how it works none the less. It doesn't even matter WHAT kind of voltage it is, as long as it is HIGH.

I am coming to the conclusion that this is what Kapanadze does. We know that if you charge one plate of a capacitor with HV the other plate gets charged automatically through electrostatic induction. The one component Kapanadze does not show us is the capacitor. Here is the short video my team took of the aquarium 2. We could not conclude the deal because we could not get him a visa into the West.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JXFWuwlg-0

[Bob Smith]

Hi Dave
I understand. What you said about dumping from a hi impedance coil into a cap grounded at one end, using the example of power transmission lines made perfect sense to me. It's something that's arisen in my exchanges outside this forum for some time as well, and I see its merits in a number of applications. As you say, the proof is in the pudding. I have a couple of past projects that can be adapted to this end.

The problem for me isn't so much charging the caps as it is how to discharge them once they've been charged. The manner I mentioned was just one way; another would be what you referenced (HV source into a cap and discharging). But again for me, the problem is to get the cap to discharge. Just being honest. I get to this point, and know the power is available from a very small source, but how to access it...What I haven't been doing is using the ground connection, and maybe that'll be the game changer. I did the approach (I believe Zilano's DS suggestion) of peeling off the plastic jacket on an electrolytic cap and wrapping the metal body with a coil, ends hanging free which gave me a faster charge - a kind of third leg and virtual ground of sorts. Will work on this in the next week when I get a chance and report back.
Bob

[Turion]

Agreement?

Bob,
I'm not trying to change the way people do things. I'm just sharing some observations and thoughts that may or may NOT be correct. Until a lot of folks have spent the time experimenting and substantiating this stuff, it is all still my pipe dream.

Dave

[erfinder]

erfinder,
Perhaps there are some areas we can agree on, perhaps not. Until we start sharing, or at least pointing out what we see, we'll never know.

The ultimate goal is to come to some kind of agreement, however, for this to take place, vested interests must be on the same page, and working towards the same end, this is hardly ever the case.

Regretfully, I must say "no comment" for the remaining portion of the post.....I don't agree with any of it.

It's not a good idea to say you don't agree and not offer an explanation. If you are interested, I can elaborate...if not, crickets.....

Regards

[Bob Smith]

Dave,
I think your observation could take our motor building to the next level. Ed Gray's motors come to mind. If a high impedance rotor coil at each turn across a magnet can be discharged to a cap grounded (earth or virtual) at the far end, there should be plenty of useable power produced.
Bob

[Turion]

Agreement

erfinder,
Perhaps there are some areas we can agree on, perhaps not. Until we start sharing, or at least pointing out what we see, we'll never know.

I would start by saying this...As I see it, it is NOT amps we are searching for in ANY of our builds, it is volts. Lots of them. Thousands and thousands of them if possible. Because we have at our disposal a magic device called a capacitor. By using capacitors we can turn high voltage at incredibly low ams into lower voltage at higher amps that can do usable work. Big coils with high impedance and lots of wires. So I look for ways to generate tremendous voltage without regard for amperage at the cheapest cost.

Can we agree on this much or no?

I would venture to say this is how the power companies work. They send tremendously high voltage down the lines for minimal cost or effort. Why? Because voltage without amps moves INSTANTY. When the voltage gets to the local substation it is used to fill HUGE oil filled capacitors that change the high voltage to lower voltage at higher amps. It is from this that you receive your local power.
This is a fairly simplistic explanation, but I believe it is how it works none the less. It doesn't even matter WHAT kind of voltage it is, as long as it is HIGH.

[erfinder]

I read your latest response and then reread what I had posted. Just to be very clear, when I spoke of half assed replications, I was NOT referring to YOUR work. You and I haven't always agreed, and most of the time seem to be at odds, but I have absolute total respect for your builds. They are first class and MOST of the time put mine to shame. Once in a while I put together something that is as nice as your work, but not often. Now that I have a working Lazer printer and have all the parts to put my CNC machine together, they should get better, but you have set the bar pretty high.

Dave

I took no offense. It matters little how we view each others work, what matters to me is that we work and when possible together.

As you have moved on, and are no longer working with air core systems, systems I never stopped working with, a presentation on my part would be purpose defeating. That being said....I respectfully drop the subject and return quietly back to my bench.

Regards

[Turion]

Clarification

I read your latest response and then reread what I had posted. Just to be very clear, when I spoke of half assed replications, I was NOT referring to YOUR work. You and I haven't always agreed, and most of the time seem to be at odds, but I have absolute total respect for your builds. They are first class and MOST of the time put mine to shame. Once in a while I put together something that is as nice as your work, but not often. Now that I have a working Lazer printer and have all the parts to put my CNC machine together, they should get better, but you have set the bar pretty high.

Dave

[erfinder]

erfinder,
You asked if I CAN demonstrate it, and yes I can. The question is WILL I, and the answer is NO. I posted videos on my YouTube channel when I got it to wok and Matt and others have seen them. I did not make those videos public. Since that time I have pulled down ALL my videos from my YouTube channel, and I am no longer posting there or sharing anything until some things get worked out. I don't have any air core coils wound at this time, and I'm not going to take the time to wind any. I have too many other things to do, and I'm not using air coils on anything I am building at this time.

When I asked the question the FIRST time it wasn't because I didn't know the answer. I already had air core coils accelerating under load as well as several OTHER coils accelerating under load, and I was curious to see if anyone else did. If they DID, I wanted to start a discussion about my theory on WHY they accelerated under load, (which is DIFFERENT from Thaine's theory of high impedance, and may well be a crap pile) but a big argument erupted as to whether acceleration under load was a good thing or a bad thing and all kinds of crap got stirred up that I do NOT have time for. So I blew off that plan and have no intention of starting down that road again.

As you may have noticed we are not posting here much anymore. We have too many projects going on the bench. TWO of them work, and are being tested. One is still in development. All this stuff has to be tested and tested and tested, and I am not willing to put stuff out there so someone can do a half-assed replication like some people have done with the 3BGS and then say what we have shown doesn't work because they tried to do it with batteries that were so small they wouldn't support the load they were trying to run for five minutes, let alone long enough for an alternating battery to be charged up. I'm sick to death of that. Our group will build our own stuff and our own replications and do our own tests. Eventually it will end up here, but we might make a few bucks from it first.

Dave

Then it makes no sense for me to share what I have developed, and perfected, nor the theory of why I think it works either. I appreciate your time and effort.

Regards

[Turion]

erfinder,
You asked if I CAN demonstrate it, and yes I can. The question is WILL I, and the answer is NO. I posted videos on my YouTube channel when I got it to wok and Matt and others have seen them. I did not make those videos public. Since that time I have pulled down ALL my videos from my YouTube channel, and I am no longer posting there or sharing anything until some things get worked out. I don't have any air core coils wound at this time, and I'm not going to take the time to wind any. I have too many other things to do, and I'm not using air coils on anything I am building at this time.

When I asked the question the FIRST time it wasn't because I didn't know the answer. I already had air core coils accelerating under load as well as several OTHER coils accelerating under load, and I was curious to see if anyone else did. If they DID, I wanted to start a discussion about my theory on WHY they accelerated under load, (which is DIFFERENT from Thaine's theory of high impedance, and may well be a crap pile) but a big argument erupted as to whether acceleration under load was a good thing or a bad thing and all kinds of crap got stirred up that I do NOT have time for. So I blew off that plan and have no intention of starting down that road again.

As you may have noticed we are not posting here much anymore. We have too many projects going on the bench. TWO of them work, and are being tested. One is still in development. All this stuff has to be tested and tested and tested, and I am not willing to put stuff out there so someone can do a half-assed replication like some people have done with the 3BGS and then say what we have shown doesn't work because they tried to do it with batteries that were so small they wouldn't support the load they were trying to run for five minutes, let alone long enough for an alternating battery to be charged up. I'm sick to death of that. Our group will build our own stuff and our own replications and do our own tests. Eventually it will end up here, but we might make a few bucks from it first.

Dave

[erfinder]

erfinder,
Yes, I was able to get air core coils to speed up under load. I have a theory about why, and since that same theory applied to coils with cores seems to work, I am sticking with it for now. Yes, I can demonstrate it. As of now I am no longer working with air core coils. I need the core to produce the voltage I need.

Excellent....looking forward to seeing your demonstration, and reviewing your theory of why you think it works the way it does.

How high was the voltage generated in your air cores?

Regards

[bistander]

smps

Trying to figure out the best way to convert high voltage DC to lower voltage higher amps has been my priority.

You might take a look at switch mode power supplies, like wall warts. Many run on AC or DC inputs over a wide range of like 70 to 350 volts. Outputs available from 3.3 to 24V. I have some at 16VDC, 5A I use for all types of stuff. Most, or at least some are fully isolated and regulated. And cheap.

Good luck,

bi

[Turion]

Air core coils

erfinder,
Yes, I was able to get air core coils to speed up under load. I have a theory about why, and since that same theory applied to coils with cores seems to work, I am sticking with it for now. Yes, I can demonstrate it. As of now I am no longer working with air core coils. I need the core to produce the voltage I need.

[Wistiti]

There's a bunch of stuff I am not yet in a position to share, but there is at least one thing I will throw out there even though I started a WHOLE THREAD on "Your Basic Coil" just to talk about this stuff and couldn't wade through the idiots to make the kind of progress I wanted. As usual, I just got together with a few folks I trust and we did the testing ourselves.

We tested welding rod, coat hanger, #12 shot, ferrite and Metglass as a generator coil core on a generator running under 4,000 RPM. While different wire configurations, higher rpm or other variables might change the results, for our purposes the ferrite was the clear winner. At higher RPM's it might not be, and I doubt we will spend the time to determine that since we are running at the lower frequencies. There are lots of kinds of ferrite and some may be better than others. We found one we like. You find yours. We wound a lot of coils to be able to put out that information, and it would have been much easier if ten different people had wound the same sized coil and tested it on the same sized rotor with the same magnets on it. But I have given up expecting that there will EVER be that level of cooperation and teamwork on this forum. The stuff we know is because we are building and testing stuff every single day. Some of it we will share.

I redid my big generator. This is the 5th time I have rebuilt it and it costs a couple hundred dollars each time to modify the parts and have them machined to new specs or replaced. Right now it is running on a razor scooter motor at 1800 RPM. It is running on 12 volts at 6 amps or 72 watts. It is outputting 170 volts DC after the bridge at 1.5 amps per coil, and there are 12 coils. YOU do the math. With the windings I have on the coils it requires 24 volts to get it up to 2800 RPM, at which point it speeds up under load. I have not done any output testing at the higher RPM because I haven't had TIME. Trying to figure out the best way to convert high voltage DC to lower voltage higher amps has been my priority.

Not only that, but we have another project, the 3BGS, that is showing results with the modifications to the basic circuit we have made that are even better than this generator, so I get sidetracked with that trying to put together a decent demo to show what we have.

And then there is Matt's motor project which SHOULD run itself and produce usable power.

Free energy is out there. You just have to do the work to get it. Oh, and it isn;t really FREE. You will spend time and money to get there.

Great to know you have made this progres!

As i am also a builder i know it could be really expensive... I think the real chalenge here is to highlight the working principe and to find an easy low cost way (with easy salvage component around us) to reproduce it... This way, many people with all kind of budget can reproduce it...

Keep your good work!