Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. 92 pages. Free new book

[thx1138]

As I have said many, many times in other threads on this forum. My wife works in intellectual property law. Read up on "patent defense" or "patent challenges" and what happens to your patent if you do NOT defend it in court. A major corporation that does NOT want you to get your patent can file challenge after challenge until your financial resources are exhausted. What could their motivation for this POSSIBLY be? Take a guess. And they have people on their payroll whose only job is to see what patent applications have been filed. So good luck with that.

I have no problem with ANYONE who desires to make a buck off their hard work and research. All I was trying to say is that someone who is going down the patent road is very unlikely to disclose info here that they could patent, since it would put their ability to patent in jeopardy. Am I incorrect in that?

Dave

The value of a patent is the amount of money one has to defend it.

Back in the late 40's and early 50's my father developed a hydraulicly driven mechanical machine to palletize packages. It was programmable through hydraulic valves to handle different sized packages and stacking patterns.

The investors that looked at it took his plans and started building and selling the machine. When he filed a patent infringement suit against them they used the profits from selling the machine to do just what you said - exhuast his resources. Patent trolls are not new.

All of the current automated warehousing systems of today from FedEx to the automotive industry are based off of that machine.

So it basically doesn't matter if you leave info out of the patent. Once the design is out in the wild, it's gone and you have no control over it.

BTW there are several countries that do not have a patent treaty with U.S. and/or Great Britain. China is one.

So unless you have the money to build and control the manufacturing process and hit the ground running, you'll never make a dimes profit from selling your product.

On the other hand, as long as the costs can be kept reasonable any device can be used for your personal use to help reduce your dependency on the grid and possibly get paid for feeding energy back into the grid.

The entire patent system only feeds new ideas into the companies that already have the money to develop those ideas into functional products. If you or your investors don't have the money to fight an IBM or GE or Microsoft or whoever, filing a patent application is just a waste of time and money. Keep in mind that a patent attorney costs $500 to $1000 an hour.

So forget about patents and get on with it.

[Ufopolitics]

Did Stan Meyer do it with his EPG?

Did Steven Mark do it with his TPU?

I suspect they might have.

Hello Dog-One,

I never said it could not be done...read my last sentence below:

It could be done Guys...

Ken mentioned the coax cable. Is this the geometry we need to focus on?

Yes, the Coax Cable give Us a similar structure where the center wire would be the triggering Vortex through a sequential signal, or a moving magnet physically traveling...the Insulation tubing would be the "channel" where either signals or magnet travels...then the outer "mesh" would be the collecting coils...and external insulation to protect against outer environment...but this is not it...it must be done following a path...a closed path forming a toroid or closed ring.

Don Smith declared that common mechanical generators don't create electrical energy, but instead they stir up the "ambient background" with magnetism, then collect electrical energy with their stator windings. Seems to me like the Ether has all the energy we would ever need. If Don is correct, all we need is the most efficient mechanism to stir the Ether coupled to the most efficient mechanism to collect the electrical energy. Here is where I think Ken could help us the most. He has focused on these geometries long enough to recognize a good pattern when he sees one. I'd really like for Ken to take a peek at the Steven Mark TPU and help us figure out how this thing must have worked, then we build it and not only solve our energy problem, but provide a perfect example to highlight Ken's research. Certainly somebody can propose a plan where we all win.

[Ufopolitics]

Patents are NOT "Building Manuals".

no ufopolitics it wouldnt thats why tesla never got his patents released.

whatever im going to leave it at that. if he patented it, why didnt any body get together and make it. everybody could then pay them for thier work. and then everybody can use it. and pay upkeep fee. tahts about all i can see anyone doing.

and your going to complain about money?

you said theorisis youd explain magnetism, now you havent.

Idrancer,

Patents are NOT Building Manuals...You would not be able to build anything out of a patent, simply because they can NOT contain "Specifications about their Details"...eg: wire gauge, number of turns, measurements of anything, etc,etc...If You do that, then Mr "retarded" Patent Troll would come in an add a couple of more turns, and a higher awg, a bigger distance between x & y and that is it, a different patent....then Mr Smart Troll would just add..."Required or suitable number of turns"...plus "convenient wire gauge"...and "proper distance between X & Y"...and steal the full idea...

Patents are "Legally" written -For Protection- in a way to be "As General as possible"...and as a matter of fact, the way Claims are written is from the more complex point of view (Claim#1) to the simplest form to describe your claim(s) (last one)

Cheers


Ufopolitics

[sadang]

Here is nothing to win and nothing to loose. Here is just about to understand, we are part of the same ether, ruled by the same laws! Not an external part! We can't look at ether as an external thing, and try to understand it this way! Maybe now, it becomes more clear why John Worrel Keely, Hendershot, Reich, Joe and others could not make their own devices, proved to be functional in many demonstrations, to be universally usable! And think about how this new way of knowledge fit with the actual human society!

[Dog-One]

It may have already been done...

Now find out ...how on Earth, to find a Mechanical Engineering Method to run a cylinder at super high speeds within a Closed Loop of never ending round tubing...dressed up by Coils within Coils?

Energy generated within that Vortex would be endless.

It could be done guys...

Did Stan Meyer do it with his EPG?

Did Steven Mark do it with his TPU?

I suspect they might have.

Ken mentioned the coax cable. Is this the geometry we need to focus on?

Don Smith declared that common mechanical generators don't create electrical energy, but instead they stir up the "ambient background" with magnetism, then collect electrical energy with their stator windings. Seems to me like the Ether has all the energy we would ever need. If Don is correct, all we need is the most efficient mechanism to stir the Ether coupled to the most efficient mechanism to collect the electrical energy. Here is where I think Ken could help us the most. He has focused on these geometries long enough to recognize a good pattern when he sees one. I'd really like for Ken to take a peek at the Steven Mark TPU and help us figure out how this thing must have worked, then we build it and not only solve our energy problem, but provide a perfect example to highlight Ken's research. Certainly somebody can propose a plan where we all win.

[ldrancer]

no ufopolitics it wouldnt thats why tesla never got his patents released.

whatever im going to leave it at that. if he patented it, why didnt any body get together and make it. everybody could then pay them for thier work. and then everybody can use it. and pay upkeep fee. tahts about all i can see anyone doing.

and your going to complain about money?

you said theorisis youd explain magnetism, now you havent.

[Ufopolitics]

Related to Energy Generation through Magnetism...

Now,

Related to Energy Generation through Magnetism...

Since Faraday it was discovered that the BEST INDUCTION occurs when a N/S piece of Round Cylinder ENTERS a LONG Coil of Wire...Just like a Bullet penetrates a Tunnel...Head N...rear South...that is it.

Now, walk or run out there and tell me if there is ANY Generating Machines that has that kind of Movement?...none.

All our Generators and all inventions related...all along our history...uses the same exact WRONG approach: Running a Coil or Wire IN FRONT or IN BETWEEN Magnetic Fields...not good.

You could run the freaking wire in front of any magnetic field or fields as you would like...and only a MINIMAL AMOUNT would be generated.

Simple test, do it yourselves...Just get a good DMM Digital Meter...set at V...a Loop or Coil of Wire connected to it...then run a Cylinder Neo Magnet...in all the ways as you will please...and you will see for yourselves which One is the HIGHEST VALUE?

Now if You Put Cylinder In and then Out...we get Plus and Minus...not good.

Now find out ...how on Earth, to find a Mechanical Engineering Method to run a cylinder at super high speeds within a Closed Loop of never ending round tubing...dressed up by Coils within Coils?

Energy generated within that Vortex would be endless.

It could be done guys...


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

System is not perfect either...

As I have said many, many times in other threads on this forum. My wife works in intellectual property law. Read up on "patent defense" or "patent challenges" and what happens to your patent if you do NOT defend it in court. A major corporation that does NOT want you to get your patent can file challenge after challenge until your financial resources are exhausted. What could their motivation for this POSSIBLY be? Take a guess. And they have people on their payroll whose only job is to see what patent applications have been filed. So good luck with that.

I have no problem with ANYONE who desires to make a buck off their hard work and research. All I was trying to say is that someone who is going down the patent road is very unlikely to disclose info here that they could patent, since it would put their ability to patent in jeopardy. Am I incorrect in that?

Dave

Turion,

The System is not perfect either.

System could be "violated", simple, no one knows the Invention better than the inventor himself.

You fraction the essence, then scatter it in different areas, fragments of it where only works perfectly fine when put together...and only you know where the pieces are.

None of the Grey Uniforms Examiners would know jack sh**t where or what "It" is good for, neither any Department "in charge above their levels"...they will think you are wasting your legal tender notes..."that crap won't work...just grant the Patent thing...and Oh boy were they wrong...

I am not encouraging anyone to do this...but it could be done.

I can patent the engine of a UFO...and not even the DoE nor DoD will ever find out what the F**K is that weird thing... and what is good for.

But, after all that trouble...why do it if you are gonna give it for free?...no sense.

System sucks, but just wanted to set an example it IS NOT Perfect...and yes, it can be done.

Cheers


Ufopolitics

[TheoriaApophasis]

As I have said many, many times in other threads on this forum. My wife works in intellectual property law. Read up on "patent defense" or "patent challenges" and what happens to your patent if you do NOT defend it in court. A major corporation that does NOT want you to get your patent can file challenge after challenge until your financial resources are exhausted. What could their motivation for this POSSIBLY be? Take a guess. And they have people on their payroll whose only job is to see what patent applications have been filed. So good luck with that.
Dave

I know about ALL OF THIS already


Ive spent endless hours discussing lawyer BS and research priors etc etc


Its just the crap-end of life.


Thanks, but I know all of that all too well


Yes, its a giant pain etc etc.




Dave[/QUOTE]

[ldrancer]

im going to say its not theoretical. a magnet isnt some ****ing magic device cuase **** you all i dont do that ****.
second, i agree with patents bullcrap. You can't never have patents. I think there crap. If you want to invent and sell something you need to market it yourself. This is the flip side of the coin of this whole story. And guess what pretty much happens. You have all kinds of people trying to copy what you've done.

now look back i dont know how long patents have been around oh what since lincoln...

anyway, remember items that had the j mccrooger item name on it? that way you knew you wasnt getting the copy made item by ben albertstein and stein.

whats going to stop anyone if you come out with your item lke that?

and the whole patent law seems to of only slowed if not stopped inventions from being made. I can look at half the crap and see how its a copy of a copy and with a new name on it, and painted pink. thats about it.

like in the game for computers thing. this **** hole of a company name ladee da. has bought out engines, then they get anyone who can run a game trainer hack maker program to pump out games then they put them out, with tons, not to mention. .. anyway they could careless cause you dont download it from them unless you pay them money. get nothing but some insecure internet connection they don't even care about. wether you do get it or not.

but i asked tehororsis to answer me and he has avoided. i was reading and maybe yea i can see how the magents work. maybe i can figure out something by reading it. but he said he'd explain what magnetism is.

magnetism is like the sun as in noone knows what the hell it does really.

id like to know what magnetism is, or the sun. one or the other.

if you make patents then people will sue to keep you from being able to send out the information. not sue the patent. but sue y8ou for oh so called money theyve lost. its all they do. you make money by producing things. ive never seen anyone paid for thinking.

[Turion]

As I have said many, many times in other threads on this forum. My wife works in intellectual property law. Read up on "patent defense" or "patent challenges" and what happens to your patent if you do NOT defend it in court. A major corporation that does NOT want you to get your patent can file challenge after challenge until your financial resources are exhausted. What could their motivation for this POSSIBLY be? Take a guess. And they have people on their payroll whose only job is to see what patent applications have been filed. So good luck with that.

I have no problem with ANYONE who desires to make a buck off their hard work and research. All I was trying to say is that someone who is going down the patent road is very unlikely to disclose info here that they could patent, since it would put their ability to patent in jeopardy. Am I incorrect in that?

Dave

[TheoriaApophasis]

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Second, he is going after patents
Dave

This is correct, and no mystery....no secret.


And perhaps I am doing same to HELP OTHER people pay off their mortgage on their house.


Or help 2 small and POOR inventors I know pay for food and clothing so they have TIME and EQUIPMENT to experiment.



See there? What you see and what MOTIVES ARE, are 2 different things.

[Ufopolitics]

"The Late Arie DeGeus"

Thanks Ken.

I'll trade you for this one:

http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/audio/Arie-DeGeus-Mar2006.mp3

Arie claims there are electrons and that they behave typical of fluid dynamics and have TWO spiral vortexes--like a permanent magnet. Makes me think he has the right idea, but a different terminology. The important thing about Arie is that he has built and proven many very interesting devices, so he's no quack scientist.

Hello Dog-One,

If We are talking about the same guy...Arie De Geus "was" the Inventor who patented a "Self Re-Chargeable Battery", and CEO of AMDG Scientific Group.

Arie DeGeus was killed at the Airport in NC back in 2007, before traveling to meet some Belgian Investors in Europe...

There is another Arie DeGeus...but not a Scientist, a business man, and written some books...I do not think is this guy.


Cheers


Ufopolitics

[Dog-One]

Arie DeGeus

You should buy ERIC P DOLLARDS book "Lone Pine Writings" vol 1 as per this.

"Energy Defined" by E. P. Dollard | Gestalt Reality

"The Theory of Anti-Relativity" by E.P. Dollard | Gestalt Reality

Key Points & Glossary | Gestalt Reality

Thanks Ken.

I'll trade you for this one:

http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/audio/Arie-DeGeus-Mar2006.mp3

Arie claims there are electrons and that they behave typical of fluid dynamics and have TWO spiral vortexes--like a permanent magnet. Makes me think he has the right idea, but a different terminology. The important thing about Arie is that he has built and proven many very interesting devices, so he's no quack scientist.

[Turion]

Not many
But, the world is worrying about:

1. how to get rich
2. how to get rich and laid
3. how to pays the bills and survive
[B]4. how to do 1, 2, and 3 at the same time.
]

TheoriaApophasis has come here and provided all kinds of information. He has even made statements like the above that SEEM to indicate he is above the rest who only lust after money, but THREE times he has indicated that he can't talk any more in depth about something in particular because of a "pending patent". So if any of you believe he is going to share how to build a working free energy device, you are no doubt mistaken.

First, most of this is theoretical.
Second, he is going after patents
Third, all we have seen are diagrams and toys, not a single example of how he has practically applied any of this to any kind of working design, no matter how small.

I appreciate what he has shared, but it is HIS work, and if you believe you are going to get the secrets of the universe from someone who wants to make money off his ideas, think again. You may get a direction to research ON YOUR OWN, but that is about it. Time to take what has been freely given and get to work


Dave