North - South

[ethan]

I didn't say anything about NASA...
You do realize NASA isn't the only one that has been to space...right?

List of private spaceflight companies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SpaceX for example is a private corporation that has been to space and back numerous times.

You think every single person involved with processing the images from outerspace is looking to control the world?
Non governmental people want to rule the world too?

Your wasting your life my friend. Good luck on your endless journey to nowhere.
Its like a fourth dimension staircase, you will keep climbing and climbing while ending up right where you started.
PS. Please focus more on energy, your a smart person, and that will be more beneficial and productive.

[cikljamas]

7 pages of real evidences and you are still deliberately blind... Too pity!

It doesn't require faith to know that no one has ever seen the "ice rim" at the edge of the earth.

High Jump expedition (1947.) that was under commandment of Admiral Byrd has always been linked to "Hollow Earth" stupidity and "Aliens" stupidity, wonder why...

It doesn't require faith to know satellites from dozens of privately owned corporations are revolving the globe

They are revolving FE, not a globe, since the Earth is not a globe.

It doesn't require faith to know that rocket ships can leave the atmosphere and have recorded video evidence of a round earth.

I saw a lot of abundant fake evidences of that kind, so please, spare me of them...

Kansas is flat...They took a reading from a distance of 90 meters (300 feet)

Please, don't embarrass yourself, you know better that that...

I can only repeat what has already been written in #146:

All i have to do is to challenge you on one single issue:

1. It has been proven by numerous experiments that there is no rotation of the Earth whatsoever!!!

Put forward one single experiment that has proved that contrary is the case!

As simple as that!

I don't even have to do anything more than to prove to you that the Earth doesn't spin on it's "axis", and just for the record: i already have done that.

As soon as it becomes obvious that the Earth is immovable everything else immediately fall to pieces...

As soon as you get rid of the Earth's rotation you have to answer to the next question:

How in the world on the round UNTILTED globe you could have (anywhere-at any degree of latitude) for instance 15 hours of daylight???

In this chapter of Rowbotham's "Earth not a globe" one really powerful FET argument was elaborated and described:

MOTION OF STARS NORTH AND SOUTH

Just one short excerpt:

Wherever the experiment is made the stars in the zenith do not rise, culminate, and set in the same straight line, or plane of latitude, as they would if the earth is a globe.Humboldt saw it "the first time" it was "strongly inclined," and therefore low down on the eastern horizon, and therefore previously invisible, simply because it had not yet risen.

The Earth IS FLAT

Philosophy proves it
Science proves it
Mariners prove it
Engineering proves it

Once more time on NASA:

NASA did't even put an appropriate delay between the astronauts in the LEM and mission control to account for the moon's distance. The astronauts and Huston are communicating faster than the speed of light.

And on the space station we find bubbles and lights which proves that the ISS is a big fake.

Virtually no one begins with the conspiracy and develops a belief in the FET. A zetetic starts with the knowledge that the earth is flat, as they believe that all the evidence they are personally able to collect and verify confirms this. As a consequence they assume the evidence to the contrary, much of which they are unable to personally test/verify as being false. The existence of such a huge quantity of false information indicates the existence of the conspiracy.

Essentially the reasoning boils down to:

P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an
obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated

P2) The Flat Earth is an obvious truth

P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that
contradicts the FET

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C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET
is fabricated evidence

P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then
there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it

P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)

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C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.

There is a Space Travel Conspiracy. The purpose of NASA is to fake the concept of space travel to further America's militaristic dominance of space. That was the purpose of NASA's creation from the very start: To put ICBMs and other weapons into space (or at least appear to). The motto "Scientific exploration of new frontiers for all mankind" was nothing more than a front.

See this quote from president Lyndon Johnson:

"Control of space means control of the world. From space, the masters of infinity would have the power to control the earth's weather, to cause drought and flood, to change the tides and raise the levels of the sea, to divert the gulf stream and change temperate climates to frigid. There is something more important than the ultimate weapon. And that's the ultimate position. The position of total control over the Earth that lies somewhere in outer space."

-President Lyndon Johnson, Statement on Status of Nation's Defense and Race for Space, January 7, 1958

One month later, Lyndon Johnson and the Senate Special Committee on Space and Astronautics drafted a resolution to change the name of the US Army's Ballistic Missile Arsenal to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

Get your head out of the sand Cikljamas. Do something productive with your life.

You mean something like rediscovering Stan Mayer dune buggy and solving the problem of energy and as a consequence of that achievement stopping the middle-east wars for oil?

But you have to remember why you are not allowed to posses and enjoy benefits of Stan Mayer dune buggy, and once that you recall this fact don't forget it again-so soon...

And don't forget these words so soon also: http://www.energeticforum.com/258073-post180.html

Cheers!

[ethan]

Nature isn't a book that requires reading.

It doesn't require faith to know that no one has ever seen the "ice rim" at the edge of the earth.
It doesn't require faith to know satillites from dozens of privately owned corporations are revolving the globe.
It doesn't require faith to know that rocketships can leave the atmosphere and have recorded video evidence of a round earth.

You label people as having their head in the sand and chastise them for not using their own minds...
How ironic coming from the person who believes what someone wrote in a "holy" book.
You are the person with your head in the sand. I suggest you buy a mirror.

Your last two links are more distorted nonsense.
Kansas is flat...They took a reading from a distance of 90 meters (300 feet)....lmao
That's no bigger than a football field...I guess every state is flat because every state has a football field...PURE NONSENSE.

View from mount Everest? Is that supposed to show the earth is flat?
You cant even see the ground level on the horizon because of the clouds, and not to mention...Its a mountain Range. Obviously your not going to see the perfect curvature of the earth inside a mountain range!

Get your head out of the sand Cikljamas. Do something productive with your life.

[cikljamas]

View from Everest

[cikljamas]

Ignore, that's all you can do, sweet little ostriches...



Let me show you just two very indicative examples of this (ostrich's) kind:

1. North's caustic denunication elicited the following response from Martin Selbrede, entitled "Rebuttal of North and Nieto" :

In a surprising turn of events, Dr. Gary North hired Dr. Michael Martin Nieto, theoretical physicist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, to analyze alleged fatal flaws and defects in geocentric cosmology from the standpoint of an astrophysicist. Dr. North paid Dr. Nieto for the resulting essay, entitled "Testing Ideas on Geostationary Satellites," which is incorporated as the bulk of the publication bearing the superscription, "Geocentrism: An Astrophysicist's Comments."

Dr. Nieto interacted with virtually no relevant geocentric material, although it was not only available to Dr. North, but actually forwarded to him in 1992. Dr. North saw fit to return the most technically-oriented and complete videotaped lecture on geocentricity available at that time, without having ever watched it. The video provided up-to-date technical references in answer to Dr. North's many challenges, but he refused to view it. He could have saved himself the money, and Dr. Nieto the trouble, had he not inflicted such blindness upon himself. The response to Dr. Nieto is contained in that video, and we need merely rehearse it here to refute Dr. Nieto's and Dr. North's papers. The fact that Dr. North held that very video in his hands and yet refused to view it, reflects a tragic breakdown of academic and intellectual integrity on his part.

The conflict was never really resolved, and North's attempt to beat down the growing geocentric intellectual insurgency has so far failed ; a doctrine that might have seemed laughable a century ago seems to be spreading and recently has popped up in at least one member of the Texas GOP.

As North has written to one committed geocentrist:

"You have a problem. You want to believe the Bible. You have also accepted the teachings of the "geostationicity" movement as almost the equivalent of the Gospel. If this movement is wrong, you fear, maybe the Bible is wrong. This is not the case; the movement is almost certainly wrong while the Bible is certainly true - just not a literal interpretation of a few passages."

LOOK WHO'S TALKING, COWARD WHO DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH COURAGE TO SEE THE EVIDENCES WHICH HAD BEEN DELIVERED DIRECTLY TO HIS HANDS!!! :FACEPALM:

2. NOBODY HAS COME FORWARD!!!

Let me teach you the difference between man of integrity and man without integrity, would you be so kind and try to find the man in this picture



I apologise if you are afraid to use your own minds!

It assumes that whenever the two are at variance, it is always astronomy--that is, our "reading" of the "Book of Nature," not our reading of the Holy Bible--that is wrong."

[Dingus]

Sadly yes, yes it is. But thankfully there's an ignore list.

[TheoriaApophasis]

Uhhhmmmm is this really a flat earth thread?

[cikljamas]

Hi, dward, how are you?

Refraction, superrefraction, subrefraction...

Since you are obviously very good educated and very self confident person i would like to pose one interesting question to you:

What force makes the earth rotate on its own axis?

Subquestion:

I have so many answers above for the question How the earth is rotating and How it rotates exactly on its axis and How it maintains its axis and its speed and How this could happen constantly when it is surrounded by vacuum. The answers given are Angular momentum , Moment of inertia and Interior dynamics , but I would ask this Question to everyone . If u have right answers for all these QQ . Why still no body can simulate the similar kind of sample small budget planet or universe in a zero gravity or a vacuum Box . Lets even have a transparent Vacuum Box in the size of a bus or a car or a room . can some one create a planet of a mass surrounded with gas and show a demo that this is how earth and other planet works ??????????????????????

Pay special attention on question that is written with red letters!

In order to make this question even clearer we could reformulate it like this:

What could be the possible cause for fixed spatial orientation of the Earth's axis?

Cheers!

[dward]

wow this is the most insane thread i've ever come across. Perhaps the original insane theory about a compass not working has already been settled upon but having just come back from a month climbing 6000m peaks in Bolivia I can categorically say a compass does indeed work in the southern hemisphere... or I'd still be on a mountain, probably frozen to death!

Also, One of the most astonishing things for this Northern Hemisphere resident, was to see the crescent of the moon nearly horizontal along the horizon. Should not really be a shock but the first time you see it is pretty cool. We do indeed live on an oblate sphere.

The horizon line thing is a non starter. You really don't even hardly see it from the space station. It's only when you're way out of the atmosphere that you'll start to see it(BTW the space station is NOT outside the atmosphere.).

The earth is just that big.
If we could get past the bickering there are a couple of phenomena here that are worthy of investigation. That lensing effect of seeing ships over the horizon(or chicago over lake michigan In the case of one of your posted photos) is pretty cool. All thanks to the magic of a slightly denser medium from 0 - 39 meters(in the case of Lake Michigan during summer anyway) due to surface evaporation. This is why until recently all military ships needed very tall superstructures to mount radars as high out of that denser medium as possible, simply to get away from the ducting and refraction issues that that denser medium causes.

As to the Heat issues of axial tilt, I bet the answer can be found in the ether, striving toward the sun, much like with water. Atmospheric heat is an artifact of Ether density, and the ether forms an envelope around the earth which is affected, just like water and the tides, by space influences. The weather is effected most strongly by the planets at the 500mb layer. In the oceans this can be seen in the heat anomalies of sea surface temperature. Most strongly seen during El Nino in the pacific but can be found elsewhere too.

EDIT:

You cannot use line of sight thinking when it comes to radar, radio, or any other electro-magnetic wave. It follows the curvature of the earth, as dictated by the density of the medium. Look up "Radar Superrefaction" "ducting" "subrefraction". Then go find the Radio propagation prediction tables for the day... you will clearly see that any electro-magnetic wave follows a convoluted twisting bending twirling path through the atmosphere, as dictated by the Orgone densities of any given part of the OR envelope.

[cikljamas]

About significance of heliocentric vs geocentric dispute:

"Historians readily acknowledge that the Copernican Revolution [i.e., the idea that 'the earth moves and turns'] spawned the bloody French and Bolshevic revolutions... set the stage for the ancient Greek dogma of evolution...led to Marxism and Communism...It is reported that Marx even acknowledged his indebtedness to Copernicus, without whom Marx believed that his ideas would not have gained much acceptance...It is thus a small step to total rejection of the Bible and the precepts of morality and law taught therein." - Gerardus Bouw, Ph.D., "Why Geocentricity?"



What is hugely significant here is that the time of dichotomy in the geostatic model (637 days) is 2 days before what it 'should' be according to the heliocentric model (639 days) and, since theoretical calculations assume a heliocentric 'solar system' (that can be worked out from a geocentric perspective, if the World rotates), the geocentric, geostatic scenario correctly agrees with observation, whereas the almost universally taught paradigm (heliocentrism, or acentrism, to be more precise) does not.

The correct model will agree with all observations. The phase 'anomaly' of Venus is an undeniable, observational fact, that has been known of for at least two hundred years (from the time of its description by Schroter). The heliocentric idea does not predict what actual observations consistently show. On the other hand, the geocentric, geostatic model, insofar as it has been tested, correctly matches the data.

It has been known for some time that the Sun is not at the centre of the universe, but for the heliocentric model to suffer further rejection because of the research presented here could not be more fitting, or ironic, for the observed phases of Venus is the exact same phenomenon that Galilei originally (and misleadingly) claimed disproved a geostatic cosmos!

Read more:

[TheoriaApophasis]

My goodness, ..is this really a 'flat earth' thread?

[cikljamas]

Stellar Parallax issue:

It is an indisputable fact that stellar parallax, like the phases of Venus, has been widely cited as 'proof' that the World orbits the Sun. This is unfortunate, since the phenomenon proves no such thing. The only thing it does prove is that either the World is moving with respect to the stars, or that the stars are moving with respect to the World.

The phenomenon of stellar parallax is not what we have been generally led to believe, because in exactly the same way that Eddington 'proved' Einstein's General Theory of Relativity in 1919 by rejecting, omitting or deleting 60% of his measurement data on the bending of starlight, so modern astrophysics maintains the misconception that parallax 'proves' the Kopernikan philosophy of the World hurtling around the Sun, by ignoring and dismissing the entire dataset of negative parallax measurements.

The ESA, unlike Eddington before them, have kept and filed data values which do not fit in with the ruling model of the universe, and should be commended for so doing, but nevertheless they do seem to dismiss a significant proportion of their measurements rather glibly. Of course, they do say that these may arise due to measurement error, but the number and symmetrical distribution of these values would tend to deny this as being anything other than an exception to the rule.

THIS IS REALLY FUNNY!!!

[cikljamas]

Saros, sorry for being late, i have answered to your p.m now...

I am going to put one excerpt of my sent message to you here too (because it explains the real background of their (scientist's) biggest failure which i have disclosed in post #199):

Why are sunrises in southern antipode cities 8 min. earlier on December 1th comparing them with sunrises in Northern hemisphere on June 1th?
That is the reason why scientists had to fall in their own trap, they couldn't avoid that fall which eventually became the biggest proof of absolute failure of heliocentric & round earth doctrine...

[cikljamas]

This thread deserves to be closed like this:

What has happened 33 years ago on this very day in Međugorje?

"Today at this place 33 years ago, Heaven opened..."

The Tremendous Importance of These Medjugorje Apparitions


Thanks for being with us in this thread in which we have debunked falseness of perfidious heliocentric lie and sinister round-spinning-earth hoax!

We could continue to enumerate even more anti-heliocentric arguments but what we have already presented here will suffice for now.

God bless you all!

Truman show ending

[cikljamas]

This Is Going To Blow Your Mind - Really!!!

In this thread, we already have hit a lot of nails in heliocentric and geocentric theory (without FET) coffin, but now i am going to present you one so simple and so obvious argument which will blow everyone's mind:

FIRST FIGURE:

SECOND FIGURE:

"EXPLANATION": The Earth is Hottest When It Is Furthest From the Sun On Its Orbit, Not When It Is Closest CAN YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ???

Of course you can't, but everything is going to be much more clear, absolutely perfectly clear after seeing and comparing next figure with previous two figures and above corresponding TOTALLY INSANE HELIOCENTRIC EXPLANATION:



If you are not absolutely stunned then you have to see you doctor right away!!!

Once more: PERIHELION: 147,093,602 KM
APHELION: 152,097,053 KM

DIFFERENCE: 5,003,451 KM

So, 5 000 000 km difference in Sun's distance from the Earth doesn't cause (according to idiotic scientists) any significant difference (better to say it causes NO difference at all - WE SHOULD EVEN BELIEVE IN OUTRAGE "COUNTER TEMPERATURE" EFFECT!!!???) in the Earth's temperature, but 3,200 km is the reason why one guy is freezing in Oslo while in the same time another guy is heaving very, very hot summer at the equator?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I don't believe i could provide even better and more compelling proof of ABSOLUTE INSANITY AND ABSOLUTELY FALLACIOUS assumptions of heliocentric and geocentric (without FET) theorists who are in fact very dangerous terrorists!!!

But Saros & co. would never admit such obvious truth!!! OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG...