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[ethan]

I finally found video evidence of the magical ice rim at the edge of the earth.

https://www.it-doesnt-exist.com

If you don't see it at the link, the internet rulers must have confiscated it.
How do people honestly believe that nonsense when so many pilots have flown around the globe.

[Dingus]

[cikljamas]

@ Al, let me show you one of the biggest (if not The biggest) flaw in heliocentric theory:

Heliocentric "explanation" why there is annual motion of all the stars:

HC: Because of the Earth's annual translation (revolution around the Sun)! :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Maybe they could have gotten away somehow with such a nonsense had they not overlooked one terrible mistake (which is crucial part of their theory, hence why they can't get rid of it): Fixed spatial orientation of the Earth's axis!

I remind us all to quest. No 4:

Question No 4: Why do the stars appear to be fixed along a celestial sphere?

GC: Because they are.

HC: The stars only appear to be fixed along a celestial sphere because they are so incredibly far away. Even after hundreds of millions of miles of our (supposed) orbit around the Sun, the stars appear in the exact same positions at the exact same meridian times because they are many "light-years" away. A light-year is approximately 6 TRILLION miles away and that is why they falsely seem fixed from our faulty perspective.

Samuel Rowbotham "Zetetic Astronomy"

Alleged sidereal time (one rotation on Earth's axis) = 23h 56min

The same amount of time Stellatum (all fixed stars) needs for to make one revolution around the Earth each day, that is why one alleged rotation on Earth's axis has to be accomplished after 23h 56min!

The only other (instead of the true geocentric reason) reasonable (theoretically) explanation for the annual motion of all the stars would be appropriate-necessary speed of the Earth's rotation (not it's annual revolution-translation).

It means that heliocentrists could have avoided (and even then the success of their escape from falling into ultimate disgrace before eyes of the world would have been just to the certain extent) their biggest flaw only if they had used the very same reason (Earth's rotation) for the explanation of "apparent" annual motion of the Stellatum as they use it (Earth's rotation) for diurnal (daily) motion of all the stars around the Earth.

It was and is and will be really a fatal flaw in heliocentric theory!

"The trouble with lying is that your lie changes slightly with each telling." Rene

"The trouble with lying is that your lies accumulates slightly with each telling." cikljamas

[jacwebb]

parallax Angle

(Stellar parallax is parallax on an interstellar scale: the apparent shift of position of any nearby star (or other object) against the background of distant objects. Created by the different orbital positions of the Earth, the extremely small observed shift is largest at time intervals of about six months, when the earth arrives at exactly opposite sides of the sun in its orbit, giving a baseline distance of about two astronomical units between observations.)

Seems the angle would be very acute if adjusted to the dia. of the earth. This is the only the case if the earth is stationary. Would be hard to be accurate with such a small angle.


jac

[aljhoa]

Stellar parallax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Al

[cikljamas]

Hundreds of experiments have failed to detect even a smidgen of the purported 67,000 mph translational and 1000 mph rotational velocity of the Earth. all conclusively failed to show any rotational or translational movement for the earth, whatsoever.

Another bogus argument that some solar system advocates bring up from time to time is inertia and momentum. What is it that the moving-earth theorists believe is the substance (or the vector field) that supposedly exerts a huge gravitational force on air molecules which prevents the atmosphere around the earth from trailing behind the allegedly speeding earth (as is the case for comets)? Their answer?: Nothing.What will happens then?

Some scientists admit the truth in their own words. Dutch physicist Hendrik Lorentz (of the Lorentz translation equations, foundation of the General Theory of Relativity) noted that:



His great contemporary Henri Poincare confessed:



Lincoln Barnett agrees:


And one of the chief participants in the experiment that bears his name (Albert A. Michelson), stunned by the results that went counter to his own heliocentric reflex:


Astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle says:



In further startling evidence that the scientific community is stifling dissenting views, Alexander von Humboldt admitted:



In other words, the notion that the earth revolves around the sun having become dogma, its denial spells automatic excommunication from the scientific establishment. As for the unthinking masses, a lie need only be systematized in textbooks to pass for truth.

[cikljamas]

It doesn't bother me if you are deliberately blind on this (geocentric vs heliocentric) issue, but it bothers me when you are deliberately blind on this subject. So i ask you, is it realistic to expect of you to be sensitive to Israel's war crimes over innocent civillians in Gaza, is ti realistic to expect of you to be sensitive to what is happening right now (persistent merciless slaughter over innocent Palestinian children by Israel's criminals) if you are deliberately blind to the so obvious and so elementary physical truth as is truth that the Earth is absolutely motionless?

And if the answer is NO, it is not realistic, then we have to continue with this thread...

Question No 1: Why does the Earth seem motionless?

GC (geocentricity): Because it is motionless.

HC (heliocentricity): It only seems motionless because it's spinning at a perfectly uniform speed with no acceleration or deceleration ever and the atmosphere is magically velcroed to it. Actually the Earth is spinning on it's axis at 1,000 mph, rotating around the Sun at 67,000 mph, which is orbiting the Milky Way at 500,000 mph and shooting through the known Universe at 67,000,000 mph. We don't feel even the slightest bit of this motion because all the centrifugal, gravitational, and inertial forces somehow perfectly cancel out.

"Most people who accept that the Earth is in motion believe it is a proven fact. They do not realize that not only has the motion of the Earth never been proven, but by the constructs of modern physics and cosmology cannot be proven. Again, even modern cosmology does not claim to be able to prove that the Earth is in motion. Before folks go demonstrating how ignorant they are, they should consider: 1.2. The relationship between Gravity and Inertia, and Gravity and Acceleration (and the paradoxes that exist). 3.4. Relativity proposes motion, it does not nor can it claim to disprove that the Earth is the center of the universe! 5. -Allen Daves

Question No 2: Why do the Sun, Moon, and Stars all appear to revolve around a stationary Earth?

GC: Because they do.

HC: The Moon does revolve around the Earth, but the Earth actually revolves around the Sun, and all the stars only seem to revolve around the Earth because the Earth itself is spinning beneath your feet!

"Whilst we sit drinking our cup of tea or coffee the world is supposedly rotating at 1,039 mph at the equator, whizzing around the Sun at 66,500 mph, hurtling towards Lyra at 20,000 mph, revolving around the centre of the 'Milky Way' at 500,000 mph and merrily moving at God knows what velocity as a consequence of the 'Big Bong.' And not even a hint of a ripple on the surface of our tea, yet tap the table lightly with your finger and ... !" -Neville T. Jones


Question No 3: Why do we never see the rotation of the Moon?

GC: Because it doesn't rotate.

HC: Both the Moon and the Earth are actually rotating but they are doing so in such a way that from our perspective it seems that neither are. The Earth is spinning East to West at 1,000 mph while orbiting the Sun at 67,000 mph. The Moon is spinning West to East at 10.3 mph while orbiting the Earth at 2,288 mph. These motions/speeds perfectly cancel out so that the Moon always only shows us one side.

"They want you to believe that the Moon's rotation is perfectly synchronized with its orbit so that's why we only ever see one side of the Moon, rather than conclude the obvious - that the Moon is simply NOT rotating. Moreover, they had to slow down the Moon's speed by 58,870 mph AND reverse its direction to West-East to successfully sell their phony heliocentricity system to a gullible public. I don't think there is one person in many, many thousands - regardless of education - who knows that the Copernican Model had to turn the Moon's observable direction around and give it a new speed to accommodate the phases and eclipses." -Marshall Hall
The only option was to reverse its observed East to West direction and change its speed from about 64,000 miles an hour to about 2,200 miles an hour. This reversal along with the change in speed were unavoidable assumptions that needed to be adopted if the model was to have a chance of mimicking reality." -Bernard Brauer


Question No 4: Why do the stars appear to be fixed along a celestial sphere?

GC: Because they are.

HC: The stars only appear to be fixed along a celestial sphere because they are so incredibly far away. Even after hundreds of millions of miles of our (supposed) orbit around the Sun, the stars appear in the exact same positions at the exact same meridian times because they are many "light-years" away. A light-year is approximately 6 TRILLION miles away and that is why they falsely seem fixed from our faulty perspective.

"Take two carefully-bored metallic tubes, not less than six feet in length, and place them one yard asunder, on the opposite sides of a wooden frame, or a solid block of wood or stone: so adjust them that their centres or axes of vision shall be perfectly parallel to each other. Now, direct them to the plane of some notable fixed star, a few seconds previous to its meridian time. Let an observer be stationed at each tube and the moment the star appears in the first tube let a loud knock or other signal be given, to be repeated by the observer at the second tube when he first sees the same star. A distinct period of time will elapse between the signals given. The signals will follow each other in very rapid succession, but still, the time between is sufficient to show that the same star is not visible at the same moment by two parallel lines of sight when only one yard asunder. A slight inclination of the second tube towards the first tube would be required for the star to be seen through both tubes at the same instant. Let the tubes remain in their position for six months; at the end of which time the same observation or experiment will produce the same results--the star will be visible at the same meridian time, without the slightest alteration being required in the direction of the tubes: from which it is concluded that if the earth had moved one single yard in an orbit through space, there would at least be observed the slight inclination of the tube which the difference in position of one yard had previously required. But as no such difference in the direction of the tube is required, the conclusion is unavoidable, that in six months a given meridian upon the earth's surface does not move a single yard, and therefore, that the earth has not the slightest degree of orbital motion." -Samuel Rowbotham, "Zetetic Astronomy"

Question No 5: How do Heliocentricist's account for the Allais effect, and the results of Michelson-Morley, Michelson-Gale, Airy's Failure, Sagnac and Kantors experiments proving the aether and a fixed Earth?

GC: Yeah, good question.

HC: (silence)

-Jolly Roger

Mahalia Jackson vs. "Troubles Of The World"

[ethan]

Everything is spherical.
Atoms, fields, electromagnetic waves, everything propagates spherically.
Its weird to think anything would naturally form in a plate like structure.
But that's the point...cikljamas thinks its god not nature that made the world flat.
He has to, because nature doesn't do things like that.

I just hope he realizes he's not changing anyone's mind and puts his efforts into something more constructive.
Free energy needs all the help it can get.

[dward]

No actually, Unlike your arguments and proof, which are mere fundamentalist ignorance in action; what I see on earth today and in my research work continues to confirm the opposite of what you say.

My research into the orgone envelop of the earth, and the galaxy would not be possible if earth were not 3 dimensional and more or less as everyone has noted for the last few thousand years, namely, that the earth is round. orbits are more or less ellipses(ignoring that last little bit that makes them egg shaped which Kepler could not calculate...) that the earth goes round the sun and the sun moves in relation to the galactic core etc etc etc etc.

I'm simply warning others not to get wrapped up with you as page after page of your own drivel is spewed out against others on this forum. . . and i'm sure elsewhere.

Many others have responded to you and you continue to site poorly worded, poorly written articles claiming to be scientific, but which are in fact religious. Now there's nothing wrong with religion but there is definitely something wrong with believing a religious doctrine over an observed fact.

With that we are through here.

[cikljamas]

@ dward, what is your problem?

All your arguments are invalid?

I understand that.

Warning: painful thread for those who hate or afraid to think out of the box no matter what...

Or maybe you do understand the true importance of this subject, but you just have no courage to face the truth?

I could accept that too, but whatever it is, how come you don't know at least how to save last bit of your dignity staying away from this thread?

[dward]

Warning: Troll thread....

Don't feed the troll people, just dont do it.

That is all.

[cikljamas]

Falsifying the Geosynchronous Satellite Concept

The rotating earth concept, however, is based entirely on assumptions which not only have never been observed by anyone who has ever lived, but which flatly contradict that which has always been observed by everyone who has ever lived. (Is a stentorian Eureka! in order here?!) (This maneuver was carried out based on calculations according to a letter from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.[See: The Earth Is Not Moving (Part IV)]

Given the fact that this successful maneuver was predicated on a fixed earth[See: The Earth Is Not Moving (pp.260-264)]

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Five things are certain at this point: 1) The ultimate reason for insisting that these satellites are in geosynchronous orbit is based on the unproven and wholly vulnerable assumption that the earth is rotating; 2)3) If these satellites are not geosynchronous, then the earth is not rotating as the whole world has been led to believe; 4) That conclusion alone will cause the entire false science Idol to implode; 5)GGG (Global Government Gangsters) get their briefcases open (Rev. 17:12, 14)

A note on GPS Satellites:

"The GPS satellites are not in geo-stationary orbit, but instead orbit twice every time the earth orbits once. This means that for any observer the satellites appear to orbit once overhead each day." (From: GPS Satellites: Wolfram Research)

Fact: #1 - We see and know they orbit overhead once a day.

Fact #2 - One orbit a day will produce Fact #1

Fact #3 - Two orbits are...and must be assumed because...

Fact #4 - The earth's rotation is assumed.

Fact #5 - Unproven assumptions that are required to explain phenomena that are readily explained without the assumptions constitute false science.

Fact #6 - One orbit a day around a stationary earth produces all the known behavior of GPS Satellites.

Fact #7 - Sans contra-scientific assumptions, GPS Satellite behavior proves a non-rotating earth.

@Ethan, you just have watched brand new episode of the series "because you asked for it", did you like it?

[cikljamas]

View from Everest

As introduction i am going to use these words of mine written in the post #160 (page 6):

The true fact is that you can see airplanes after sunset glowing in the sky only within short period of time while on the surface of the Earth is still twilight, but as soon as twilight turns to dark, you can't see nothing of that kind (reflection of the airplane which fly in high altitudes) any more....

You should work it out much better than that...

My intuition and reasoning were right, i just didn't do the exact math at that time, so, let's do it now:

1660 km/h(supposed speed of Earth's rotation) : 3600 = 0,46 km/s

0,46 * 60 = 27,6 km/min .... 27,6 : 1,5 = 18,4 miles

Now, using Rowbotham's (verified) formula we calculate like this:
18,4 * 18,4 = 338,56 * 8 (inches) = 2708 * 2,5 = 6771,2 cm = 67 m roughly

So, if the Earth is round the Sun should drop off behind horizon 67m/min which is equivalent of climbing uphill 67m/min...

8880 m (Everest altitude) : 67 = 132,5 min = 2 hours, 12,5 minutes

So, if the Earth is rotund one guy standing on the top of the Everest should be able to see sunrise 2,12 hours earlier/sunset 2,12 hours longer than the other guy who stands at the bottom of the Everest...

As we all very well know it is not the case, not even closely to that...

Disprove it if you can!

[cikljamas]

Soviet Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin was never in Space

A Soviet propaganda hoax has been revealed in the former communist countries (for example Hungary, Estonia and Poland). It was a myth that everyone had really believed in, that the Soviet Air Force officer Yuri Gagarin had made a space-flight. Many Western governments were aware of this Soviet bluff but did not want to reveal the truth. It was not intended for the people to know that the Soviet Union was a backward state.

One interesting book about this is "Gagarin: A Cosmic Lie" ("Gagarin - kozmikus hazugsig," Budapest, 1990) by the Hungarian journalist Istvin Nemere. Not one word about the contradictions surrounding Gagarin's "journey into space" have been published in Sweden, where the Soviet Union is still regarded with a great deal of respect. Such a revelation would be far too embarrassing.

Until 1961, the United States had managed to send up 42 satellites, the Soviet Union only 12. The United States also informed the world that Alan Shepard would make a space journey in the spacecraft Freedom 7 on 5 May, 1961.

The Soviet Union was forced to do something to save face. For this reason a Soviet cosmonaut, Vladimir Ilyushin, was sent up into space on 7 April, 1961. The Americans intercepted several radio communications between him and the space centre in the Soviet Union. Ilyushin's landing failed and he was seriously injured. He could not be shown to the public. It was claimed that he had been injured in a car accident. He was sent to China to receive better medical treatment.

The Russian TV documentary "Cosmonaut Cover-Up" (2001) also claims that on 7 April, 1961, Vladimir Ilyushin left for space, got into trouble during the first orbit, and crash-landed in China during the third orbit. Ilyushin was badly injured. He was returned to the Soviet Union a year later. Ilyushin was killed in an engineered car accident in 1961.

The Soviet Union did not have a spare capsule at that time and in Moscow it was decided to orchestrate a huge bluff, a cosmic lie.

Radio Moscow claimed that a Soviet cosmonaut, Yuri Gagarin, had been sent up into space on the morning of 12 April, 1961 with the space-rocket Vostok. According to the official announcement, he had already landed and was in fine health. The whole world believed this except for the Western intelligence services. They had not managed to register any radio communication between Gagarin and the space centre.

This hoax was sloppily orchestrated. (They should have asked NASA how to do it...) Polish newspapers announced already on the morning of 12 April that a Soviet cosmonaut had been in space. Newspapers in other countries did not report Gagarin's flight until 13 April.

In a book written for the West, Soviet propagandists claimed that simple peasants recognized Yuri Gagarin soon after he landed in a field and enthusiastically shouted: "Gagarin, Gagarin!" But nothing about his "space journey" had been reported at that time, no pictures of him had been published and his name had not been mentioned. The message from radio and TV was sent out 35 minutes after the alleged journey. Were the peasants psychic?

The newspaper Sovetskaya Rossiya claimed that Gagarin was wearing a blue flightsuit when he landed. In his memoirs, Gagarin himself claimed he was dressed in an orange flightsuit.

At his press conference, Gagarin read from notes when he "related" his journey. During the press conference, he made several crucial mistakes. Gagarin stated that weightlessness was no problem. Everything seemed just normal. We now know that this is not the case. The cosmonaut German Titov, for example, had difficulties with his balance and had heart problems.

Gagarin then made his most serious mistake, despite the fact that he was constantly assisted by experts, who often spoke about discoveries in space. He said: "Then I saw South America".

This is impossible. At that time it was night in South America, which meant that it could not be seen at all. According to the official reports, Gagarin began his "space journey" at 9:07 Moscow time. He was supposed to have flown over South America at 9:22 Moscow time. In Chile, the time would have been 2:22, in Brazil 3:22. He could never have reached South America in 15 minutes.

Foreign journalists wondered: "When will the photographs that Gagarin took in space be published?" Gagarin was silent, thought for a moment and answered: "I didn't have a camera with me!"

Even unmanned Soviet space probes had photographic equipment on board. It would have been an important propaganda triumph to publish Gagarin's pictures from space. The Soviet Union would never have missed an opportunity like that.

His plane exploded on 27 March the same year. The official report concerning this event contained many contradictions. The report was classified during the communist period. It claimed that there was not much left of Gagarin's body after the crash. In that case, how did his flightsuit come to land in the top of a tree?

There are far too many questions surrounding Gagarin's spaceflight in April 1961. A British team of researchers who questions the propaganda surrounding manned journeys to the moon also confirms this information. When will the truth be admitted officially?

On 12 April 2001, the Russian senior engineer Mikhail Rudenko, at the Experimental Design Office 456, in Khimki in the Moscow region, admitted in Pravda that three cosmonauts had died in space before Gagarin was sent up, namely Alexei Ledovskikh (1957), Serenti Zhaborin (February 1958), and Andrei Mitkov (flight attempt January 1959).

The Russian journalist and cosmonaut candidate (June 1965) Yaroslav Golovanov (1932-2003) wrote in his book "Cosmonaut One" that on 10 November 1960, another cosmonaut, Byelokonyev, also died on board a space-ship in orbit. Several sources reveal that 7-11 cosmonauts have died before Gagarin.

The CIA knew about the Gagarin bluff but said nothing. Instead they have come up with more and more ridiculous lies themselves. (Juri Lina, Architects of Deception. The Concealed History of Freemasonry. Referent Publishing Stockholm, 2004. p. 26-29).

Space program = International LIE UPON LIE program

[cikljamas]

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