Self-induction

[shylo]

self inductance

Hi all, I'm not qualified to post , but have a question,
When 2 wires run side by side ,the 1 being fed first ,will oppose the flow in the 2nd, since the wire is wound in a coil?
What happens when you wind a coil , where the north and south poles cross-over?
I guess it were 2.
artv

[machinealive]

@mario, Er seems to agree with Telsa

Have you ever witnessed the spike generated at switch closure? That's the one I am interested in. That one doesn't get much attention, a current pulse! That's the one that I want. Don't want to pay for it though.

'It was in the switch closure, the very instant of closure and break, which thrust the effect out into space' - Nikola Tesla

Er,
You know, I finished my 2 phase, I think the rotating field is working. I was trying to figure out the real purpose, if there was more. Could it be any more then a simple induction motor? I think I see now, I wonder if tesla was shorting for the current pulse. I have no patent pictures with any reference to this, but it seems to fit very nicely. I have been working on some drawings, I want to wait till you finish your disclosure, but I think this is a go, theory wise. The 2 phase gen may allow easy timing of the current pulse at the toroid, where the V:I phase shift occurs. Just have a couple things left to test. Very interesting indeed!

Machine

[erfinder]

Steve, ok, now you reminded me of another discrepancy, lol…
Bedini: the motor has to be off while back-popping.
Tom says the opposite: you hit the battery (with a cap) while simultaneously powering the external load…

I have tried the latter too, but the load was a cap, didn't see the expected results. But you gave me an idea, maybe a coil should be a load… the power coil…

regards,
Mario

Hi Mario,

Its not a discrepancy in my opinion. We have two individuals sitting in front of a machine, each is guided by his "environment". The work of the one inspired the perspective of the other. They are both calling it like they see it. Both views have merit, but only one is truly describing the conditions as we would like to see them, match point...Mr. Bearden.

When the inductor becomes a capacitor in your mind, everything changes. The two are one, someone really really intelligent in times past knew that, and coined the term "Reactor".


Regards

[erfinder]

@mario, Er seems to agree with Telsa






Er,
You know, I finished my 2 phase, I think the rotating field is working. I was trying to figure out the real purpose, if there was more. Could it be any more then a simple induction motor? I think I see now, I wonder if tesla was shorting for the current pulse. I have no patent pictures with any reference to this, but it seems to fit very nicely. I have been working on some drawings, I want to wait till you finish your disclosure, but I think this is a go, theory wise. The 2 phase gen may allow easy timing of the current pulse at the toroid, where the V:I phase shift occurs. Just have a couple things left to test. Very interesting indeed!

Machine

Hi Machine,

We've talked a few times offline, and I am really glad to see you here. Remember earlier I stated that everyone has a piece of the mosaic? Some take this to be a refrence to infomation that is everywhere availiable in unlimited quantities. No, I am referring to your connection with that information, the information itself I can find using Google, what I will not find using that search engine is your connection to that information, that is what I am interested in. If you were to use that as a yard stick, you have exactly what you need to see how far along people are on thier path to attaining this thing we are looking for. Here I am reminded of a really powerful statement that a friend brought to mind, the question that must undoubtedly be asked when we achieve our goal.

Finding Nemo - Now what?! - YouTube

Brilliant! Barbosi thanks for that.....I see you!

Something is terribly wrong with the idea of rotating fields. I am not qualified to say what, but will say that I have no resonance with the concept. Eric Laithwaite helped me here. My friend started a thread and is sharing with all who are interested, its very interesting to see that the information (and his connection with that information) which he is sharing is directly related to this question that you have just raised.....resonance


Regards

[erfinder]

Hi all, I'm not qualified to post , but have a question,
When 2 wires run side by side ,the 1 being fed first ,will oppose the flow in the 2nd, since the wire is wound in a coil?
What happens when you wind a coil , where the north and south poles cross-over?
I guess it were 2.
artv

Hello Shylo,

You and I are in the same boat, I'm not qualified to post either . I'm not kidding, everything I am saying is based purely on speculation. Not going to come over well with many I'm sure, the only thing that will save me, with select few of those participating in this discussion, is the fact that I have invested the time and resources on a few experiments which support the speculation? Anyway better to be honest with myself and others now than to be called out later.... right?



Regards

[erfinder]

I have given you solution and it's inside Tesla patents. All resonant circuits of today are forced resonance. As long as you use connection to power source you will end up with reactive power and forced resonant condition able to minimalize power input only for kind of non-existent load - such which will not change any parameters. I have given also explanation of Tom Bearden "don't kill dipole" statement and it's about minimalizing current from power source , while maximalizing the energy stored in magnetic field.... of course there is still some secret addition which I know many realized already and there are many gentle tips about it in various places, in various notes and in Tesla quotes. I want to make it more clear so let me say : free oscillating tank circuit , and everything become simple and usable, and of course it has to be unloaded, yet still power loads, here is the magic - radiant energy !

Tesla Patent 568,178 - Method of Regulating Apparatus for Producing Electric Currents of High Frequency

His perspective on the subject of resonance isn't the one being associated with his name...


Regards

[Mario]

Hi Mario,

Its not a discrepancy in my opinion. We have two individuals sitting in front of a machine, each is guided by his "environment". The work of the one inspired the perspective of the other. They are both calling it like they see it. Both views have merit, but only one is truly describing the conditions as we would like to see them, match point...Mr. Bearden.

When the inductor becomes a capacitor in your mind, everything changes. The two are one, someone really really intelligent in times past knew that, and coined the term "Reactor".


Regards

Hi Steve,

you said it's not a discrepancy, sorry but.. the charge/discharge pulses are either in phase or they are out of phase lol! One says they are the other that they are not...
So, I have two questions. What is the discrepancy you were talking about if you don't think this is the one? And is this directly related to what you said you wanted to show?

regards,
Mario

[erfinder]

Hi Steve,

you said it's not a discrepancy, sorry but.. the charge/discharge pulses are either in phase or they are out of phase lol! One says they are the other that they are not...
So, I have two questions. What is the discrepancy you were talking about if you don't think this is the one? And is this directly related to what you said you wanted to show?

regards,
Mario

I said there's no discrepancy in my opinion.

I find nothing wrong with what was stated. There are/were indeed two methods, two points of view.

Back popping is out of phase as you indicate. The other method you're charging while drawing a load, so in phase as you indicate. Both are demonstrated by John Bedini, we don't really see the back popping being done anymore, and I think the reason for that is you don't have to, Ferris Wheel?



Regards

[erfinder]

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[Turion]

If I understand what you are postulating, and I believe I do, it could make a significant difference in the 3BGS setup whether the motor is placed between the positive or between the negatives. When you look at the direction of current flow in a potentialized system such as this and consider the motor to be just coils of wire located between a higher potential and a lower potential, you want the flow to be in a specific direction through those coils. It then also matters which wire of the motor is connected to the two batteries in series, as these motors were designed to run in a specific direction. These are some things that should be taken into account as we set up a working 3BGS system, and I doubt most people who have tried it have ever considered these. If the motor puts out energy as a generator in a specific direction (either down the + line or the - line) if you have the motor facing the wrong way, that energy would be going to the wrong battery. You have certainly given me several things to consider about the 3BGS setup that I will carry over to a post on that thread for consideration.

Dave

[Mario]

Steve, if the magnets are in a N-S arrangement that wouldn't be something exceptional, so I take it they are in an all N out (or all S) arrangement, meaning that they are cancelling?

regards,
Mario

[erfinder]

Steve, if the magnets are in a N-S arrangement that wouldn't be something exceptional, so I take it they are in an all N out (or all S) arrangement, meaning that they are cancelling?

regards,
Mario

[Mario]

Ok, if the magnets are oriented as written on the coils it means that the coils are all in phase. If the magnets all had the same orientation and the coils were all connected top-bottom-top-bottom…. it would be equivalent, all in phase. What is special in your view?

regards,
Mario

[boguslaw]

I said there's no discrepancy in my opinion.

I find nothing wrong with what was stated. There are/were indeed two methods, two points of view.

Back popping is out of phase as you indicate. The other method you're charging while drawing a load, so in phase as you indicate. Both are demonstrated by John Bedini, we don't really see the back popping being done anymore, and I think the reason for that is you don't have to, Ferris Wheel?

The method suggested by Tom Bearden is/was the sought after method. The 16GT Monopole Motor was dedicated to the work of Tom Bearden. Thats an indication to me that back popping wasn't it. Note to self, we still here about dumping caps back to the primary, even though Tom's method has been fully adopted and implimented. Its been stated time and time again that the battery cannot be charged and discharged at the same time, so if this isnt whats taking place, then what in the hell is going on???

It's here where the rubber meets the road and we have to take our speculation up a notch. Its being suggested that was happening in the secondary battery is a potentializing of the charges in the battery so that they (the charges) flow backwards and the battery goes into recharge mode (yes I realize I murdered that description....). Uh...ok... A really interesting concept, however, if this isn't universal concept, if its limited to batteries, whats the value? Can it be applied any charges or are we just limited to the charges inside battery electrolyte?

According to Mr. Lenz an induced potential will produce a current which opposes the current which produced it. The message I take from this is that potentials move currents. This three word message from Lenz, nut shells whats being discussed regarding pulsed battery techniques (my opinion), it is completely in harmony with some of the statements relating to the radiant charging. This implies, that the principle is not limited to the charges found in the electrolyte, it's not limited to batteries, the concept is universal!

I am of the opinion that current is being generated in the systems under discussion, current independent of potential, and the potential, supplied by the battery, is used to manipulate those currents. So the function of the primary battery is to potentialize a circuit where current is already present. No need to recharge.....these guys are clever....

Speculation can get you in trouble, but at times it has its place and can be very rewarding.

I want to demonstrate one or two things which are in line with the above stated. EFTV 23 reveals it all. You don't have to wait for me to demonstrate anything, a more or less full disclosure can be purchased for 25 bucks.....from the source.


Regards

Bravo! I believe also that potentials move current and current alone cannot do work...

[erfinder]

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