Self-induction

[Cornboy 555]

Whats up Midaz,

You are a good man, most certainly a better man than I was when we first met. I am still fascinated how you were able to see past the the egos and focus on the goods.

I think I found the true link between UFO's work and my own, and the 3BGS, but that connection is loose, if for no other reason, I haven't done my homework on that one....yet. I hope my findings are transparent enough to be accepted. Thanks for being here, and for keeping it real with yourself and those who you believe in.

The machines are dusted off, giving them a little spit and polish, the show will start once the office is clean.


Regards

Hello Erfinder, thanks for starting your own thread, i certainly will be watching.

Many threads here share a common goal and if you can help link it together into something workable, i am all ears.

Regards Cornboy.

[Duncan]

Hello Erfinder, thanks for starting your own thread, i certainly will be watching.

Many threads here share a common goal and if you can help link it together into something workable, i am all ears.

Regards Cornboy.

IMHO they pretty much all share the same goal, that's because were all chasing the same rabbit. all of these machines that are legitimate and actually work, run from it . The odds of keeping one free source of energy hidden for hundreds of years are astronomical, but its been done!
so to keep two or three hidden astronomical squared and cubed ? Just not logically possible is it?
So there is no erfinders machine or Duncan's machine or Tesla switch in anything but name.
The ones that do work (and there's lots and lots of smoke to stop you seeing them) ergo must use the same basic source.
So of course cornboy your finding common ground Its the same Rabbit in every case. What I suggest here is catch the Rabbit and you won't simply know how erfinders machine works but how every single one that was ever made did from Besslers wheel to Tesla's switch.
And all posts in between. The search begins with obvious things that are a corruption and are wrong
blatantly wrong and yet we are still force fed the nonsense. The transformer is one such and there's
nothing that quite so pertains to a thread on induction as a transformer is there?
Its one of those rare occasions you catch me on topic. What if I were to suggest that a force like gravity is the missing component that once introduced as a wave passing through the transformer core with varying degree's of difficulty depending on the lateral position of the flux in the core.
Well how do ya like them apples ? Does that fit the bill and explain how a transformer must really work what about if not just like gravity but actually ... is I can make it fit can you?

[erfinder]

Should be finished cleaning later today or early tomorrow. Lots of stuff to move around. When I'm finally finished I will feel better about inviting you all via videos into my lab, as the saying goes...neatness counts.

I approach all of this from the perspective of an artist instead of the diehard scientist, this way I don't get into trouble when I forget to cross a T or dot an i.



Regards

[Mario]

Hi Steve,

thank you for this interesting thread. While reading your introduction something came to my mind, I'm not sure if it relates to the topic, if not just say so. Here's a link to an interesting description Bearden makes:

The Tom Bearden Website

I would divide it in two parts, the first being "traditional"resonance as discussed in other threads as well, which I will briefly repeat here. This is my view from what I've seen on the bench. Bearden seems to confirm in the first part of his article.

If we have a resonant tank circuit comprised of a coil and a cap and insert a low resistance/impedance load into the circuit it is in series and never sees the maximum voltage the cap respectively the coil are seeing during their back and forth shuttling of energy. The load gets all the current developed inside the tank circuit though, while the voltage across it is dictated by the relation from its own resistance/impedance and the current flowing through it. This is why it is imperative that a low impedance load be used.
This is a series setup, but the good and most important thing is that from the source point of view it is seen as a parallel setup, meaning maximum impedance , while inside the tank we have minimum impedance and maximum current flow, the lower the load impedance, the higher the flow.
(Steve, I know I already wrote this since it's what I'm working on, but I repeat it here to make a distinction to the second part).

But now to the second part, and I'll paste Bearden's description:

"This is one reason why Tesla so favored the series circuit. He also favored it with one end loose -- the so-called "single-wire" circuit, without a return.) If the driving voltage to such a single-wire series resonant circuit is applied to the coil with the open-ended capacitor beyond, and the voltage is applied for only the first 90 degrees as a sine wave then instantly removed, the coil will be charged without current flow, accumulating a 5-d gravitational potential. When the coil discharges, it will discharge in two directions, producing real current, at a certain frequency (which may be drastically different from the "normal electrical current" resonant frequency. However, actual current will be induced out of both ends of the coil at this frequency. The capacitor will charge a little bit from this effect. The overshoot of the coil discharge back toward the disconnected driver is also usable energy if connected to a proper load. If the load is removed and the driving voltage is reapplied just as the overshoot reduces back to zero, the cycle is repeated, charging the distant capacitor more and more, and producing pulses of usable power through the overshoot discharge on the driver side. By adapting this mechanism, a free energy motor can be readily produced, as demonstrated by Bedini, Watson, and others with a battery-driven, series-wound DC motor unit."

I have done many experiments in the past with Bedini type rotored and solid state oscillators, also using them for single wire resonance, charging caps with an Avramenko plug and earth ground, but I can't quite figure out how exactly the setup he talks about here should be connected in the real world in a circuit.
It's the "applying voltage for only 90 degrees and then removed..." that I saw a connection to what you said in your introduction.
Maybe this is not at all what meant, so forgive me for bringing this up.

One more thing, about Tesla's bifilar coil. I made an interesting setup once, basically a solid state Bedini type oscillator, but instead of having a cap receiving the coil collapse I connected a bifilar coil. Meaning the output of the power coil was connected to a bifilar coil with a diode (like in normal Bedini setup). The wires on the other side of the bifilar were left open. Running the circuit for even just a fraction of time would charge the bifilar coil like a cap, and the neat thing was that it could sit there for hours after the circuit had been shut off, when I would short its open wires it would discharge with a bang just like a cap, well, because it is
The point is, this setup still needed power to charge the bifilar capacity through electric connection, but what if it had been charged up magnetically (rotor magnet) and the charge in its windings discharged at the right moment, would it slow the rotor down?

Again, I'm sorry if this has no relation with what you have in mind...

regards,
Mario

[Mario]

When the truth is finally disclosed, the fires from the burning stacks of books will be seen for miles and miles, and some of us will dance around these fires (some naked) beating our chests like the cavemen.

Ha ha! I Like that!

regards,
Mario

[Duncan]

The circus, the big top, the smell of the grease paint !

I have never known quite what to make of the Tom Beardens and the Johm Bedini's and Eric Dollards and all the many others of the free energy circus, whilst I have learnt huge amounts supping at their table. They do I'm sure know how its done, however the information remains with them . So it seems some disguise and slight of hand is also involved in their presentation . Whilst not lies perhaps a little twist it the tale is involved here and there.?a little omision ? Indeed on one video Eric Dollard refers to Tom Bearden as being a government dis-information agent .. so make what you will of that .
Like the curates egg is my guess 'good in parts'. Meanwhile IMHO erfinder has flighted his arrow exactly right at the B field of the electrostatic force .. exactly as he says where is it?
Where is it in the Lorentz/ Einstein Force law ? Just missing conveniently omitted.

Magnetic forces

everything to do with it … smoke and mirrors .
Conspiracy and evil deception on a grand scale and so it goes on and on ..

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive
Sir Walter Scott.

Its there all right I've transmitted on it! and was quickly told to never ever do so again.
All the science and maths assosiated with it have been obfuscated and hidden and buried isn't it time for an exhumation ? I might even join erfinder at the fire light disco perhaps banksters could be used as kindling? .

[Mario]

Hi Steve,

I agree with what you said regarding Bearden and his riddles… He could show everything he writes his books full of with a simple circuit…

Anyway, you wrote "filter" at some point. Did you mean "filter what you read"? or are you referring to a filter in the circuit?

regards,
Mario

[erfinder]

Hi Steve,

I agree with what you said regarding Bearden and his riddles… He could show everything he writes his books full of with a simple circuit…

Anyway, you wrote "filter" at some point. Did you mean "filter what you read"? or are you referring to a filter in the circuit?

regards,
Mario

Filter what you read, compare the text with the pictures.

Edit

Its unfortunate that we can't dissect those videos we are being asked to buy. Tear them apart frame by frame picking out and discussing all the goodies. We can do that with youtube videos of kapananza, Bessler wheels and such, but not the videos that pertain to topics where revenue is being generated and patents are taken out. Really a shame....if not here then where?



Regards

[Beamgate]

Bearden's circuit addendum to the 'Secret' (attached) might shed some light on his concept of charge (-currentless>) collector -> load (switched at just the right TIME).

The 'collector' in this case could be solely inductance/capacitance (or a combination of both).

I'll admit, I'm tempted to borrow aspects of what I have going on with Bedini's 4B Tesla Switch (Cigar box) right now to examine the theory. I'm seeing some interesting behavior with those audio transformers during switching.

[Duncan]

Your building a thread with no particular direction erfinder ? I doubt that very much I quote you ..
"you cannot build what you do not understand"
I suspect your building a thread with a very definite aim every body knows FE researchers are fools tptb say so . On that understanding I'll watch the story unfold carefully realising that

What one fool can do, another can.”
- Ancient Simian Proverb.

[barbosi]

Your building a thread with no particular direction erfinder ? I doubt that very much I quote you ..
"you cannot build what you do not understand"
I suspect your building a thread with a very definite aim every body knows FE researchers are fools tptb say so . On that understanding I'll watch the story unfold carefully realising that

What one fool can do, another can.”
- Ancient Simian Proverb.

Man, I was waiting at the door practicing "Ahem!" and waiting for the first opportunity to knock.

And what do you know, the man I was running away last time, bumped into me offering this opporunity. Thank you for opening the door!

Many years ago I used to repair TV sets and I used to say: you cannot repair what you do not understand.

Your saying is close enough and true. Then I thought about kids at the beach. They build piles of sand pretending they are castles. And yet kids do not understand how to build. They know how to build.

As insignificant might that sound to you or anyone else, it deeply resonates with me and for realizing the consequences of that simple remark, thank you. As Erfinder said, we help each other not being aware of it. All is needed is to be there and sharing our ideas not quotes from text books.

Regards.

[Mario]

what we want to know is when does induced sine wave have no negative effects, when does it not apply, at 90° maybe? This is what I learned from Bedini in my experiments, read....filter, formulate questions, review the visual aids, you will find that the visual aids don't line up with the text, when you find the discrepancy, you have found something they wanted you to find, something they hid in plain sight.

Steve, for the first part, from what I've learned in my experiments, two ways to reduce if not get rid of the negative effects of the induced sine wave is the kromrey effect (delayed Lenz), but it is very hard to get more out than in, the other is resonance, because of the reason I explained in my post earlier.

For the second part, the discrepancy I've always wondered about is that he writes about charging a cap and discharge it into the battery at a very low frequency, while the drawings show a resonant cap which is directly connected to the magneto coils, no rectifier diodes… Well in the book he also shows a setup like I just mentioned where the tank circuit is taken the power off through a single diode going to another cap which is then discharged… Don't know if this is what you meant?

regards,
Mario

[boguslaw]

I have given you solution and it's inside Tesla patents. All resonant circuits of today are forced resonance. As long as you use connection to power source you will end up with reactive power and forced resonant condition able to minimalize power input only for kind of non-existent load - such which will not change any parameters. I have given also explanation of Tom Bearden "don't kill dipole" statement and it's about minimalizing current from power source , while maximalizing the energy stored in magnetic field.... of course there is still some secret addition which I know many realized already and there are many gentle tips about it in various places, in various notes and in Tesla quotes. I want to make it more clear so let me say : free oscillating tank circuit , and everything become simple and usable, and of course it has to be unloaded, yet still power loads, here is the magic - radiant energy !

[Mario]

Steve, ok, now you reminded me of another discrepancy, lol…
Bedini: the motor has to be off while back-popping.
Tom says the opposite: you hit the battery (with a cap) while simultaneously powering the external load…

I have tried the latter too, but the load was a cap, didn't see the expected results. But you gave me an idea, maybe a coil should be a load… the power coil…

regards,
Mario

[boguslaw]

btw, radiant energy is widely used today ! From another thread : Tesla's Radiant Energy Hidden In Plain Sight by ZS Livingstone (Jan. 14, 2014)