Just magnetic fields

[Dave45]

Hey Graham
Another simple but interesting circuit by Peter Lindman you may be interested in.
Sorry I thought I had the original but I guess not, Iv modified this trying to analyze the reactions, but you can see the original behind my chicken scratch.

[Dave45]

Iv been entertaining a train of thought about the workings of these circuits hear. Forward EMF Collection

[barbosi]

[Dave45]

thats how I feel sometimes its right within your reach but just cant seem to put it in words.

[barbosi]

And now I hope I can put in the least numbered words and images the punch line in what I consider to be in my vision, the magnetic field of a bar magnet.

The shape is quite complex resembling to Nassim's animation I showed in post #16, but not the kind of complexity that scares. It requires to conceive in your mind the combination of two pictures I attached.

First is the side view (pretty similar with the one from the text books). I would like to remember the picture I posted in http://www.energeticforum.com/248696-post10.html

[Siggi1974]

@barbosi

This makes absolutely sense for me. One origin point (Zero point) for 2 fields spiraling in 4 quadrants.

Best regards
Siggi

[Hrothgar]

For further visualization

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afQW8FT02DM I think a four quadrant view may be close to correct. Each quadrant is oriented at the flux to have four potential directional charges a fixed value +&- forward and a variable +&- side value. This would show a representation much like Swastika that has been brought to light by a few other on the board. If the Flux of a permanent magnet moves straight form the southern pole to the northern pole it does not mean it cannot immediately obtain a reactionary rotation of a side charge.

One thing I think we gloss over too much is that magnetism has the behavioral traits of both energy and mater. It has also been brought to light that on the periodic table of elements that there are 2 empty positions at the very beginning of that table. Just as when you mix 1 measure of alcohol with one measure of water you have less than 2 measures of mix, Flux may be a state of "protomatter" for a lack of a less startreck word. Being less than full fledged matter, it may fly under the radar of most of the rules of standard matter.

[thx1138]

Hotson, Dirac, and that "other" place

Bottom line, I believe there is another world/dimension invisible to us, and we interact with it.

I've been wrestling with the three Hotson papers for a few days and realised the trouble we have with describing that other dimension is that we just don't have language to describe it, similar to the early days of electricity discovery where they had to invent words to describe the related phenonema.

We need a word that describes opposite but complimentary things without any connotations of good vs bad, science vs religion, matter vs antimatter, etc. since they are equal. Black/white, hot/cold, etc. carry connotations so I'm suggesting the use of the word "dominions" to describe the world/dimension we occupy and that other world/dimension invisible to us. I'm open to suggestions.

While you see that other dominion as negative frequencies in your earlier post, I see it as negative kelvin temperatures whihc is kind of the same thing. It's said that at zero kelvin entropy ends and there is no more thermionic motion in matter. At least that is what is taught. But if we look at the animation you posted earlier about the electron and consider the horizontal plane to be zero kelvin we can see how that works. Because all thermionic motion in matter above the horizontal stops does not mean that thermionic motion below the plane doesn't exist. It just means that zero kelvin is the dividing line between the dominions and all of our thinking and tools and sensors have been developed in our dominion to look at only our dominion while ignoring that other dominion. That follows from ignoring the other two states in Dirac's equation of everything. When the scientists of that day decided that "negative energy" could not exist, what they really did was say that other dominion cannot exist.

So we can look at that earlier posted animation of the electron as pulsing between the two dominions. It's no wonder we can't state the absolute position if the electron since current thinking is that the other dominion doesn't exist.

One of the current mysteries of cosmology is that there appears to be much more matter in our dominion than antimatter. But the universe, being balanced, would indicate that there is more antimatter in that other dominion than matter, meaning that the dominions are not separated by matter and antimatter but that both dominions contain both matter and antimatter but in opposite ratios so that the universe as a whole balances. We could consider stars and black holes as portals between the dominions. Stars spew matter and antimatter from the other dominion into this one while black holes spew matter and antimatter from this dominion into the other one.

On the other end of scale is the Bose Einstein Condensate and, being at nearly zero kelvin, takes us near that border between dominions. I note here that all of the interesting things that we study in this dominion occur at boundaries - the plasma double layer, high frequency, high voltage electricity at the surface of a conductor, and, for magnetism, the Bloch wall are just a few examples. RE magnetism, is the Bloch wall a connection to that other dominion?

A crude attempt to illustrate dominions showing the opposite but complimentary nature and an oversimplification of matter energy equivalence to include Dirac's ignored states is in the attachment.

That we haven't yet concieved a way to discuss negative mass or energy or magnetism or that other dominion doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm coming to believe that the talk of "dark energy" and "dark matter" is actually talking about that other dominion but they have to dance around the use of the word "aether" which, I believe, is what connects the two dominions.

I'm not even going to get into the possibilty of multiple/infinite dominions. I'm still struggling with the idea of two.

[thx1138]

Opposing opinion

When I first looked at this my initial reaction was that can't be right. But then I stopped to analyse why I thought that and determined that it was because I was working from previous teaching which might be wrong. So I looked at it again and came to the same conclusion because it doesn't show what we actually see in a bar magnet and iron filings experiment.

Closer examination shows the the blue lines and the red lines, in essence, repelling each other at the center while they should be attracting.

So I went back to Edward Leedskalnin and tried (one again) to make sense of what he wrote. His writings give me a headache but I don't doubt there is some truth there - I just can't figure it out from what he wrote.

But here's my take: there are indeed four quadrants but not as shown in your drawing. The red and the blues lines twist but they twist around each other like the double helix of DNA. But they do it in planes rather than lines which is really hard to illustrate so we'll stick with lines.

While one is dominant (solid lines) the other is weakened (dashed lines) but they both flow into both ends of the magnet. The weakend one is pushed into the other "imaginary" dimension by the one in the "real" dimension. This dance between the "real" and "imaginary" dimensions is shown in the electron animation shown in an earlier post with the "real" dimension above the horizontal plane and the "imaginary" dimension below the horizontal plane.

Looking at it as in my earlier post about "dominions", one pushes the other into the other dominion and the other dominion responds by pusing it back into this dominion and that is where the Bloch wall exists - it is where the polarity transition occurs.

The attachment shows this idea while maintaining the four quadrants but it only shows one twist in the double helix while there would in reality be many twists - I was lazy in redoing your drawing.

I didn't attempt to redo the second drawing but looking at it from that perspective would show the lines of magnetic force wrapped around each other rather that wrapped around the magnet.

[Siggi1974]

While one is dominant (solid lines) the other is weakened (dashed lines) but they both flow into both ends of the magnet. The weakend one is pushed into the other "imaginary" dimension by the one in the "real" dimension. This dance between the "real" and "imaginary" dimensions is shown in the electron animation shown in an earlier post with the "real" dimension above the horizontal plane and the "imaginary" dimension below the horizontal plane.

Yes while two opposite spirals are dominant and manifested in our space-time their opposites two are spiraling in another dimension or "Dominion"...Therefore I believe a magnet to be a kind of Diode implemented in our natural ether. The zero point is then the transition point also between these dimensions. The sunflower shows both spirals in our space time not having a direction. Mass (like our planet) is perhaps also a kind of diode manifesting in gravity having its Zero point in Earth center, where also then is the Zero point of our magnetic Earths field

Regards
Siggi

[barbosi]

I'm not even going to get into the possibilty of multiple/infinite dominions. I'm still struggling with the idea of two.

Often, words are meaningless and they're often deceiving. To understand better, I often look for their origins in the etymology dictionary.

Looking for cosmosuniverse: "the whole world, cosmos," from Old French univers (12c.), from Latin universum "the universe," noun use of neuter of adj. universus "all together," literally "turned into one". So the same thing.
And now the much fashioned of nowadays term multiverseDominionDominationfrom domus "home"

[thx1138]

I looked at the definitions rather than the etymology. What I'm really looking for is a word that defines a sphere of influence without connotations of good/bad and a word not usually used in electronics or physics so it won't be confused with something else we are discussing, e.g. "domain" usually used with magnetism.

I came up with dominion as meaning the territory (sphere of influence) of a sovereign (independent, self governing body). IMO, the etymology means the same thing in terms of people, i.e. a home is a man's castle.

I share your disdain for "multi-verse" as an alternative to universe. What's between the the "branes"?

[machinealive]

Hello everyone

Barbosi, those were some very nice visuals, hopefully you've helped people to understand nature a little deeper, awesome. I love this stuff.

I realize now, that you started this thread to post what you already know, thanks again.. AC, I thought you were also asking a question

Have you noticed the thread is called "just magnetic fields" and yet I am the only person here to ask what it is fundamentally instead of simply how it acts, that is a huge problem in my opinion.

Well, if you ever want to share your secret, let us all know.
Btw, I've been thinking of this since I was your sons age, I'm sure.

I should not have posted Dirac or Russell here, a little off topic but I didn't know what you were getting at. I post Russell when I get a chance to ask a question, or to try and get a question, never any takers, I probably have 200-400 pics now, my own . I guess I will open a thread as soon a I get a chance, keep my ideas together, and try in my way, to integrate this all together, and not confuse. I will start at my man's, Descartes, he also believed the universe was a machine, a machine alive.

But, I have couple more pics, lasts one promise , maybe it is helpful



Top left is basic sacred geometry, flower of life. Top right showing only 4 spheres needed, think Dirac's 4 electrons,, or Russell's 4 vortexes, or 4 quadrants. You pick. Bottom left closer to your magnetic pattern, and the last is a more complete pic. Hope you like them.

Also, thx1138

Maybe these are also familiar. My interpretation of the origin of inductive and dielectric fields.



Hope they help, I have too many drawings, hard to pick. Hope you will visit my thread when I finally get a chance to open it.

Later
Machinealive

[barbosi]

Closer examination shows the the blue lines and the red lines, in essence, repelling each other at the center while they should be attracting.

I essentially see that you doubled the number of lines of my picture. if you would take the blue dotted line from top left and the red dotted line from bottom left and moved them on the right you would have obtain the same effect. Braided or not, is not as essential as the origin point and where they return to. In process you missed the whole contribution of the "source", which is essential in my own view of the "model".

To be more clear, I find this an easy example (for those familiar) of Russell's concept: the Undivided ---> divided ---> reunited. Colors from my picture were not random eighter.
From the gravity center [the Undivided] the lines spring out [as divided] and when they reach the equator they return to the source [as reunited]. And that for each pole, thus forming a torus.
So we can consider there are in fact two toroids (one for each pole) sprung from the same source, but they are squeezed one to the other at the equatorial plane, forming a more complex torus. Even here we got the concept of the source, the Undivided ---> two toroids (divided) ---> back to the source as reunited at the equatorial plane. The two gravity centers of the two toroids become one.

I'll let you enjoy this clip, enra " primitive " - YouTube and while you see all the artistic motion, at the end of the day you know that was a creative mind that put all vision on stage. You cannot see him, but you simply know that there is one creative mind. It sprang from it and it crontrolled all motion up to the end product.

Mass (like our planet) is perhaps also a kind of diode manifesting in gravity having its Zero point in Earth center, where also then is the Zero point of our magnetic Earths field

I would say, a magnet bar is a rectified version of not only Earth, but all natural Cosmos.

As for why always a pair of solid and dotted lines, I had in mind the genero-radiative concept of Russell, but I highlighted before in a quote from Tesla:

The primary substance, thrown into infinitesimal whirls of prodigious velocity, becomes gross matter; the force subsiding, the motion ceases and matter disappears, reverting to the primary substance.

Even Robert Adams (the inventor of Adams motor) said it in "The Adams pulsed motor generator manual" ("The state of science today"section):

The entire Cosmos and it's content, whether it be a grain of sand or a planetary body, is in perpetual motion. Life itself, as we know it, whether cosmic or earthly is no more or less than a constant state of generation or decay, of change - of perpetual motion. The mind of man is caught up in the same void and so now the classical teachings of yesterday are becoming outmoded and on their way out - GENERATION - AND DECAY.

[machinealive]

Hello Barbosi

You are not an automaton as many pretending they know Russell's stuff

As a student of philosophy, I agree, we are the ghost's, THE OPERATOR's, of this machines.
Operator (mathematics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But you know that is a good point, I wanted to bring up, and will again. If I add 1 + 1, in my mind, it is real, but imaginary, magnetic if you will, you can't point to it. But if I take 1 apple and place it beside another, you can point to it, its real, because it is in and part of the electric universe. The Imaginary universe....is in your mind, shhh, and it is the universe.
You see, its a trick question,.... both answers are correct.

Regards friend
machinealive