Just magnetic fields

[Siggi1974]

Magnetism

Hi All,

I really like this thread. I am thinking of magnetism since my school days now and like everybody else never understood it. We are just dealing with a manifestation of something we cannot really grab. I gave myself at least the following answer to this question.
Magnetism is a manifestation of nature to organize itsself to Harmony. Otherwise everything would fall apart and never find a neutral state. It is also my opinion that magnetism is then a manifestation of the natural ether itsself. Everytime we switch or shorten our coils Mother Nature will equalize the current state with a speed that is much faster than light and manifest a magnetic field. Therefore Nature will always win this game no matter how fast we switch our coils and motors in a known way. I also believe that a magnet is a perpetual energy flow out of the ether keeping it neutral (+ 0 -) The most interesting thing of a magnet is the Zero Point or the Bloch wall Bedini teaches us, because this point could allow us perhaps to switch the magnet state (- 0 +) automatically. Therefore I really appreciate the sharings of Steve (Erfinder) switching his motors at JTDC without the negative influences of cores. Also Bedini does this in his Ferris wheel via impulses of high potential hitting the Bloch wall.

Just my two Cents. Thanks again for the thread.

Best regards from Germany
Siggi

[barbosi]

Have you noticed the thread is called "just magnetic fields" and yet I am the only person here to ask what it is fundamentally instead of simply how it acts, that is a huge problem in my opinion.

I only can share my take on it and future might prove that I am far from truth but I'll try anyway. Without pointing to words, the nature of magnetic field and electric field is the same.

• Russell called "the two electric workers" or "conditions".
• Leedskalnin called them the "two individual magnets". I don't know why so many think as they are monopole magnets. From his own definition, I didn't see yet Leedskalnin calling them "monopoles". The fact that he symbolized them with a black or white dots, does not mean they are monopoles, but rather a dominant condition.

But that is not the point. I find reasonable that the nature of both fields is the same, just in a different dominant condition. Like a man being awake or asleep is still a man. It doesn't mean one condition is bad, the other good, or useful - useless, or active - inactive, or alive - dead, or bright - dark. They can transform(transition, transmute) from one state to the other, progressively, but their "sum" is the same, as in "nothing is lost, nor gained, but only transformed".
The fact that we call them magnetic - electric is just a convention taken out of necessity of using a common language. And I do not forget that both are not attributes of electric circuits only. In the old days both were observed and studied in animals (see Davis's Manual of Magnetism).

As of the real source of both fields, a shallow answer is "from the power supply", but a deeper investigation as far as I read is not leading to a particle, or at least a commonly accepted answer. And that because there are no instruments to prove the origin of all there is.

It may be tormenting to get stuck in the idea that one cannot go ahead until the last secret of universe was revealed. I can inhale the air, without knowing what is its true source. Knowing more properties of the air could help me to find new uses, or storing it for later use. But that is about finding new properties, and knowingly, properly use those that I studied.

In magnetic field, I think I found new ways to look at them and also old stuff long forgotten which could have new uses. In this light I started this thread sharing my conclusions. Some might prove they're wrong after anybody could present valid reasons. But that's ok, because I don't need to hold dear fallacies. I may not see my own fruitions based on my conclusions but as I said already, I'd be just happy to know someone did it and I'll be ecstatic to know that that someone will freely share his thoughts on his discovery.

My own conclusion is that complaining about something won't give me anything. But acting and sharing will help others and implicitly me.

Regards.

PS: I would be happy to be part of talks around real facts or discoveries, I will not be engaged in sterile discussions with no finality other that man fighting his fellow man.

[barbosi]

If we assume an atom is composed of a proton with electrons spinning around it then maybe we can assume it creates a certain resonance (probably at very high frequency).

In my view it is the other way around. Please have a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbHAg

[barbosi]

Magnetism is a manifestation of nature to organize itsself to Harmony.

Like this?



If so, in my interpretation magnetism (term not used in a common sense) uses "the two electric workers" as the violin and the bow.

The picture also shows me how a magnet pole would look like. Direction anyone? CW? CCW?

[barbosi]

The first mention of the natural logarithm was by Nicholas Mercator in his work Logarithmotechnia published in 1668,[2] although the mathematics teacher John Speidell had already in 1619 compiled a table on the natural logarithm.[3] It was formerly also called hyperbolic logarithm,[4] as it corresponds to the area under a hyperbola. It is also sometimes referred to as the Napierian logarithm, although the original meaning of this term is slightly different.

[machinealive]

Hello

First Barbosi, the sunflower and Russell for the crystallization of matter.

So cool!

So, AC, where do you propose we start? If we were to try to really understand, magnetism, electricity, etc. Where do we start? I would like to explore this. If I can go that deep, you and Barbosi, are really deep. That's good.

Personally, I would like to start, with defining the stationary, aether. As Hotson had shown in his paper, the standard model is wrong, period, but the wave is not, and the wave equation is also good.
So first we should try to figure out how Russell and Dirac, and many others jive, maybe. So, if that was possible then the bose-einstein condensate is the aether, spinning vortexes, hotson calls epos, but others may call vortexes. The spinning circular vortex would give rise to the sine waves. Dirac would say obeying the same wave equation, massive, in the lowest energy state.
Maybe could also say vortexes spinning at same rate, in resonance. I picture two tesla pancake coils, bifilar, and 2 on top of one another. If you squeeze the apexes of this Russell pic, you have two bifilar pancake coils, on top of the other, which may represent the 4 electrons of Dirac? The flat state would be the lowest energy state, stabile. Squeeze the apexes.



Since already in lowest state, energy can only be gained, so the vortex starts to spin faster, and seperate in two. Could say, a positron and electron. Or two vortexes cw and ccw, relatively speaking. At the equator is magnetic cones, imaginary, orthogonal, or whatever.

But the electricity and the magnetism are effect of the circulating energy. Consider a whirlpool, air on one side, water on other. Although air and water move, in opposite directions relative to each other and there is a current, but it is just motion, on one side say air, is our electric current flow, the dominating force, pulling us to center, and down, concentrating as Russell would say. Does the water react equal and opposite? Then that would be the magnetic current, pushing opposite direction to air, the magnetic discharge would be at equator, I suspect we get ejected at either surface as vortex starts to disperse, or ejected at apex, out into the magnetic exhaust cone at equator, on water side when vortex is gaining momentum?



The two forces are moving in opposite directions, we call different names, but coming from same source, which is just motion. Electricity is the movement we see on our side of the universe, our reality, the air side,
while magnetism would be the movement on the water side, the side we call imaginary.

Btw, Barbosi, the base of the natural log, e, is a transcendental number, like pi! and Er's sinc function. Think of this, the neurosurgeon, Karl Pribram, believed the mind used Fourier transformation, and was holographic in processing. David Bohm believed the same of the universe. Hmm, Russell, also shows this as the nature of the universe, and that the universe was mind.



Ruphus, posted a visual of the Fourier transform on the self induction thread. When I get a chance I will post it under Russell drawing to compare.

Now, I thought I read once that Tesla wanted to build machines mimicking the nervous system, which works on Fourier math. Er showed a machine, and I believe tesla's coils on toroid also show. That the coils do a Fourier transform on the transcendental since function.

Barbosi, I really liked that visual of the coil projection showing sine and cosine on the scope. Nice. Also, I now your not a quantum fan, but please look that paper over, if you haven't. Hotson destroys the standard model, and Einstien. . Dirac I believe felt the angular momentum was needed to set up the standings waves, orbitals, of the atom. Keep an open mind, there an element of truth in most everything. I'm sure of that.

Long post but I don't know when I'll get a chance to post again.
Er, any new vids coming out?

Machine, was that a rabbit hole or a vortex, or maybe a black hole.

[Siggi1974]

@barbosi
Exactly this! Learn from nature how things work. The sunflower is a perfect example. It is there and shows us how it was organized to be that pretty. We cannot measure the energy that has done that or it still has..but it is there in full beautiness. There is no cw or ccw in a more dimensional view. It is just one point where natural energy can enter to allow equalizing and manifest a result. This point is my personal Zero Point and the origin of all manifestations that me measure or see on our oszilloscopes. Look at the flower as if it would be a motor... Where would you drive this thing?

Best regards
Siggi

[ewizard]

In my view it is the other way around. Please have a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbHAg

That may be correct. I probably should have said the atoms and molecules resonate at a certain frequency based on their geometry and other properties. I think the idea I am trying to convey is that magnetic fields may be related to some sort of resonance trying to equalize between two objects. Or maybe it is that the two objects that attract each other are in some type of same resonance. In the late 1990's I saw one of those cymatic video's being shown at a conference and was very impressed by the power of vibration to create such forms.

[barbosi]

I think the idea I am trying to convey is that magnetic fields may be related to some sort of resonance trying to equalize between two objects. Or maybe it is that the two objects that attract each other are in some type of same resonance.

http://www.svpvril.com/Cosmology/Molecule.gif

[barbosi]

[Allcanadian]

@machinealive

So, AC, where do you propose we start? If we were to try to really understand, magnetism, electricity, etc. Where do we start? I would like to explore this. If I can go that deep, you and Barbosi, are really deep. That's good.

I would start at the beginning, not theirs.... yours.
I can tell you the exact moment it all came together for me, I was outside taking a break and watching the stars then came back inside and was dropping my bic lighter from about 4 inches onto my desk. I have a habit of doing this and it calms me and helps me think clearly for some strange reason.

Then I started watching the lighter dropping very closely, I would lift it then drop it, lift it then drop it and I saw the secret to the universe. You see we have been trained to see everything in a certain way and it is virtually impossible for us to see any other perspective. What did I see?, my lighter was not attracted to my desk that is absurd, it was not solely a pull downward nor was it a push and I knew this intuitively... it was something else.

The secret is simple, we have to set aside everything we think we know and everything we have ever been taught. We have to go back, back before Einstein, Maxwell, Faraday and Ampere to a time when everything was new with no preconceived notions as to what we are seeing. You see nobody has a clue what a magnetic field is because it does not exist in the way we think it does.

Everyone felt a field of force around the magnet then made a wild leap of faith that the magnet was the sole cause of the force. They believed this because of another unjustified belief that the space around the magnet was empty therefore the field must be produced solely by the magnet. They believed space was empty because they could not measure anything in it with there primitive instruments and did not understand it. With every step they have based one false assumption on another and it is only when we stop making assumptions that we may finally see the truth. What we know is not science, it is not proof of anything but more so speculation because our perspective is completely biased without us knowing it.

Where to start?, take two magnets and play with them and pretend you have absolutely no idea what this strange force is nor how it should act, pretend there is no such thing as a "magnetic field" and that you have just discovered it. Go in with no preconceived notions about anything and work your way through the problem. Relax, open your mind and I can guarantee you will learn things you never thought you knew. What you want to know is simple but you have to let go.
The truth is not for me to say but for you to discover.

AC

[Allcanadian]

@barbosi

I shall say in all honesty that as much I appreciate Russell for the simplicity of few ideas that made me reconsider of some falsehoods I took for true, there is so much I still don't grasp.

I believe we have followed the same path, I had been all through quantum mechanics, particle theory, relativity, Einstein, Tesla, Russell, Schappeller, Faraday, maxwell, Steinmetz... from A to Z. After many years of research I came to the conclusion I was no closer to an answer regarding anything than I was before. At which point I decided to set it all aside and study natural phenomena for myself from my own perspective. It is by far the smartest choice I have ever made in regards to my education in these matters.

Here is something to consider, I read an account of four people who worked in a plastic wrap factory where large rolls of plastic film were cut down to smaller dimensions. The plastic film moved overhead at high speed over rollers and one person noticed a strange field below the plastic film. When he tried to walk under the moving plastic wrap his motion was resisted and he called other people to investigate.

The "field" was large, invisible and had the consistency of jello resisting motion of any kind. I imagine if a person jumped into it they would be levitated moving slowly towards the ground. You see this is the magic we are looking for which tends to put many complex things in perspective. A mysterious field of force with a known cause we can wrap our minds around. Consider that to my knowledge there is no person on this planet that has the understanding to create or reproduce a field having the properties described... not one person.

Now we can also connect some dots with a similar phenomena whereby it has been proven that unrolling scotch tape in a vacuum can produce X-rays. Two separate phenomena with a common link, high frequency electrostatics producing something we did not expect. Here I think it is important not to start separating phenomena and classifying it as science does but finding the similarities and connecting the dots. All these phenomena are directly related to one another and something so simple we could never have imagined it.

We must set aside all the complexity and see things for what they are not what we think they must be. Again, our perspective is completely biased without us knowing it and we have to get past this in order to move forward.

AC

[Dave45]

AC
I read the same article some years back, a moving electrostatic charge? very strange, charged rollers an inertial capacitor?

Speaking of magnetic fields
This was posted over at ou forum http://www.overunity.com/12736/kapan...attach/132482/

[Hrothgar]

Cool!

@barbosi


I believe we have followed the same path, I had been all through quantum mechanics, particle theory, relativity, Einstein, Tesla, Russell, Schappeller, Faraday, maxwell, Steinmetz... from A to Z. After many years of research I came to the conclusion I was no closer to an answer regarding anything than I was before. At which point I decided to set it all aside and study natural phenomena for myself from my own perspective. It is by far the smartest choice I have ever made in regards to my education in these matters.

Here is something to consider, I read an account of four people who worked in a plastic wrap factory where large rolls of plastic film were cut down to smaller dimensions. The plastic film moved overhead at high speed over rollers and one person noticed a strange field below the plastic film. When he tried to walk under the moving plastic wrap his motion was resisted and he called other people to investigate.

The "field" was large, invisible and had the consistency of jello resisting motion of any kind. I imagine if a person jumped into it they would be levitated moving slowly towards the ground. You see this is the magic we are looking for which tends to put many complex things in perspective. A mysterious field of force with a known cause we can wrap our minds around. Consider that to my knowledge there is no person on this planet that has the understanding to create or reproduce a field having the properties described... not one person.

Now we can also connect some dots with a similar phenomena whereby it has been proven that unrolling scotch tape in a vacuum can produce X-rays. Two separate phenomena with a common link, high frequency electrostatics producing something we did not expect. Here I think it is important not to start separating phenomena and classifying it as science does but finding the similarities and connecting the dots. All these phenomena are directly related to one another and something so simple we could never have imagined it.

We must set aside all the complexity and see things for what they are not what we think they must be. Again, our perspective is completely biased without us knowing it and we have to get past this in order to move forward.

AC

It sounds like a continuous Van De Graaf shock-wave!

[GSM]

Speaking of magnetic fields
This was posted over at ou forum http://www.overunity.com/12736/kapan...attach/132482/

Thank you for sharing that one Dave, it is an interesting circuit.

The field windings are stated as being on a transformer core - they will encapsulate the induced field - plus - lead to the differential transduction of a collapsing back-EMF from the original pulse. The use of that second winding plus diode cannot fail to output more than is achievable via the spark gap only, but whether there can be electrical 'overunity' w.r.t. an original empowering HV source input cannot be assumed.

However, if that 'transformer' were an armature - as like the arrangement used by Wesley Gary with that armature being separately open *horseshoe* magnetic field longitudinally polarised - might mechanical pole and gap alignments of an armature within such field offset the rectifier conduction point w.r.t the resultant combined alternating field, such that adjustments might lead to output either less or greater than 100% of electrical input ?

Cheers ............ Graham.