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    DC current generated magnetic fields
    Last edited by barbosi; 01-14-2014, 08:35 PM. Reason: better word choice

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    • #3
      What is a magnetic field? we can observe the picture of magnetic field between two wires:

      Figure 11.


      along with following observations:
      This shows the magnetic field strength around the two wires. Current is flowing into both wires. Notice how the magnetic field is slightly stronger on the side of the wire away from the other wire? This is showing that the magnetic field around a wire affects how the current flows in neighboring wires.
      The picture is coming from a simulator which assumes the field cancellation.
      In realityWhat is a magnetic field?Conclusions:
      • Magnetic field around a wire as in Figure 5 does not rotate, it just assumes the circular shape, the arrows are meaningless.
      • Magnetic field between two adjacent turns of a solenoid is not canceled, but rather intensified.
      • Magnetic field interacts with electric field (Figures 2 and 3), in fact a more intricate interaction is already established by main stream science.
      Last edited by barbosi; 01-11-2014, 03:36 AM.

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      • #4
        Addendum:AC current generated magnetic fields

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        • #5
          Intermission:The Establishment] call that upward sweeping something THE TRAVELING MAGNETIC FIELDOneRepublic-Counting Stars

          PS: In the spirit of fairness and true honesty, I have to tell you that in all this presentation, the timeless inspired ideas (as I consider them) are not even mine. I just padded them with my understandings. All it came to me as I consider it as a heavenly wonderful gift, so now I give it back to all of you inquiring minds with the hope you will be inspired same way I was. Make most out of it, and make your own gifts.
          Last edited by barbosi; 01-12-2014, 06:53 AM.

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            • #7
              Twist

              Originally posted by barbosi View Post
              What is a magnetic field? we can observe the picture of magnetic field between two wires:



              Conclusions:
              • Magnetic field around a wire as in Figure 5 does not rotate, it just assumes the circular shape, the arrows are meaningless.
              • Magnetic field between two adjacent turns of a solenoid is not canceled, but rather intensified.
              • Magnetic field interacts with electric field (Figures 2 and 3), in fact a more intricate interaction is already established by main stream science.
              in figure 10 if you note the alignment of the horizontal arrows they are in a mode of attraction while the vertical arrows are in the mode of repulsion hence the wire pulls one way and the fields push in another. and if you note when you force a large amount of energy into a confined space like a bullet in a rifle the effect can be quite impressive. But, back to the area of repulsion. Why would anyone suggest the forces would cancel each other out. Holding a north to a north gets deflection not cancelation, this is why magnetic domains exist otherwise magnets could not exist above the nanoscale or (conceptually) below the entire ominverse being a laterally alignied magnetic toriod.

              Flux is a mystery on one hand we are comfortable with it and it is in every modern device we use, on the other hand it behaves as if it where suspended between this universe and another. It behaves as a particle and a wave form. Above all it seems to only go in the back door and come out the front. Leedskalin from his writtings thought that what we call flux was the magnets themselves and not the matter that contained them. Leedskalnin's Writings: MAGNETIC CURRENT


              In figures 2 and 3 you point out rotation yet in figure five you deny that rotation can exist. Please explain?

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              • #8
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                Hrothgar,
                Part of the answers you will find if you allow yourself to play with two apples. Draw field lines and observe how do they look on both sides at proximity of opposed poles then like poles. For other aspects I have to take time to read throughly and understand the concern. Now I am caught in some domestic issues.
                Nevertheless, I thank you too as you show interest and doubt. I am sure that sharing our thoughts, together we can find answers and connections to ideas we did not understand before.
                Soon.
                Last edited by barbosi; 01-12-2014, 09:19 PM.

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                • #9
                  Ha ha, barbosi I cannot tell from your response whether you agree with me or not

                  So I invite you to perform this visual experiment. Take a clear piece of plastic or glass, I used a sandwich bag, and draw the center magnet circle with twisted lines coming out just like the crt image figure 2 and mark that side as S. Now turn the bag over and mark that side N as it will look like figure 3. This is why I say they are the same direction.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hrothgar View Post
                    Why would anyone suggest the forces would cancel each other out. Holding a north to a north gets deflection not cancelation, ...
                    It looks we are in agreement here.

                    Originally posted by Hrothgar View Post
                    In figures 2 and 3 you point out rotation yet in figure five you deny that rotation can exist. Please explain?
                    Originally posted by Cadman View Post
                    Ha ha, barbosi I cannot tell from your response whether you agree with me or not

                    So I invite you to perform this visual experiment. Take a clear piece of plastic or glass, I used a sandwich bag, and draw the center magnet circle with twisted lines coming out just like the crt image figure 2 and mark that side as S. Now turn the bag over and mark that side N as it will look like figure 3. This is why I say they are the same direction.
                    I am glad we got in this confusion, as I see it. You see, in their shows magicians use mirrors and transparent materials to deceive public. Once you use the apples the illusion dissipates.
                    I took my time for taking pictures that I think may clarify the issue and I attached them for your convenience.

                    The reason I invite everyone to perform such simple tests is that:
                    • Unfortunately my quota for uploading pictures is limited and soon I may run out (I may need to check on this). I prefer links to pictures from the web because I can do a better page layout and also because often people have more artistic vision. With regret, I am not a big fan of Faceboox, and other media sharing sites so...
                    • Everyone has the model in their hands, analyzing from any angle. Any new idea should arise, it could be shared with the rest of us.


                    Lets look first at the picture I attached. You'll see with different colors (no direct relationship between color and pole designation) field lines as in figure 2 and 3 (top shots). In the side view you'll see the inner and outer equatorial plane with the junction of the field lines. Why do they look like they are discontinuous? "Mirror" like. What is that special with with that equatorial plane?

                    And the really good part with the transparent material you used: If you get that transparent (let it be photographic film) between two opposed poles of two magnet bars and do project lights from the poles towards it, could you see the shadow reflected and having the same shape? "Mirror" like. Just like on your sandwich bag. Can you see how an erroneous situation is not a failure after all? Is like in that joke, even a kick in the @$$ leads to a step forward.

                    Considering you have a picture of the each shadows on individual films and superimpose the films in such way the field lines are interlaced, you can visualize how they could have the condition to lockblock each other the attempt of joining them?

                    All that because the field lines act like forces. Are they forces in the Newtonian sense?

                    Thank you all for your insights.
                    Attached Files
                    Last edited by barbosi; 01-13-2014, 04:06 AM.

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                    • #11
                      I just want to share with you an old burning question I asked my self.
                      We know that matter affects us:
                      • Sun makes all life possible on Earth
                      • Pillow makes some people dream and rest better (or not )
                      • Spices enhance food
                      • Stick hurts sometimes
                      • etc,


                      Does space (the empty 3D perceived nothingness where rebel space dust, suns, and planets, and moons all arranged in galaxies, all coexist together with pillows, spices, sticks and etc.), so does space has any influence on us?
                      If yes, how? If no, why?
                      It's just my unresting question and I don't expect an answer, because I know it's only me to wander for it.

                      Peace!

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                      • #12
                        where does this phenomena fit into your thinking ?
                        introducing the magnetic hose

                        The Spiral is quite interesting. There are many other variables associated with the crt that could cause it.

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                        • #13



                          NANOMAGNETICS.US

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by indio007 View Post
                            where does this phenomena fit into your thinking ?
                            introducing the magnetic hose
                            Originally posted by indio007 View Post
                            The Spiral is quite interesting. There are many other variables associated with the crt that could cause it.
                            I always try to consider all variables and I have to tell the truth, I am not Zeus and I have to live up to my human condition. If you think there is a catch that I might have missed, please let me know. All I was impressed was the simplicity of experiment and the focalized fascicle coming from beyond the luminescent surface which is by design orthogonal to the screen.
                            Also, but I did not mention before, because of the tree-color dot structure, the composed resultant wave creates colored structure with great resemblance to cymatics structures.
                            But you may be right, it might be an illusion afterall. Can you elaborate if you think it worth?

                            Thanks.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by brandon View Post
                              Cool stuff, especially when they put into the mix the idea of "lens".

                              Do you have some insights?

                              Thank you.

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