Just magnetic fields

[Loadstone]

From an unpublished article called Man's Greatest Achievement Tesla said:
"There manifests itself in the fully developed being, Man, a desire mysterious, inscrutable and irresistible: to imitate nature, to create, to work himself the wonders he perceives.... Long ago he recognized that all perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the Akasha or luminiferous ether, that is acted upon by the life giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never ending cycles all things and phenomena. The primary substance, thrown into infinitesimal whirls of prodigious velocity, becomes gross matter; the force subsiding, the motion ceases and matter disappears, reverting to the primary substance.

Just thought I'd let you guy's know that the drawing shown in Barbosi's post are NOT from Ed Leedskalnin's booklet Magnetic Current. Ed's original booklet contains no drawings. The drawing that Barbosi referred to was done by a guy named Maximilliano.
Nice thread btw....

[ritman2]

Please be aware that in the second post I added a new picture (Figure 3a) representing a side view of a bar magnet.

Was 3a against the same crt? I am curious about the different colors that resulted.

Also THANKS for the extremely interesting OP! I am interested in understanding magnetism in a lowest common denominator way that I could explain it to my child in under a minute, not spend the 2 years I have been pursuing this understanding and if anything I am left with less than I started with. You have given me a cool drink in my thirst for knowledge.

[ritman2]

Also, old HoJo would have liked fig 3a.

Howard would have been mad if crt's were available then cause I am sure his magnetic field plotter took a LONG time to construct and this seems to do the job of visualizing the magnetic field.

I am observing semi-confirmation of Howards claim of magnets being dual poled at each end based on the 8 shape of the patterns in figures 2 and 3. I am NOT claming this, I am just stating my observation as food for thought with obvious prejudice.

To me, the crt images contradict the illustrations of Flemmings right hand rule asserting circular field lines. Those are cartoons and these are photographs.

And what about the claim of magnets being dipoles? I can clearly see 4 quadrants based on the 4 light blue "lines" somewhat like a + sign dividing fig. 3a.

I see 4 "lines" protruding from either end of the magnet, and it is interesting to me that the outer ones are the same color (light blue on the left and yellow on the right). Further, on the "top"(relevant to our frame of reference - ha ha) of the magnet only 4 different lines seem to connect while on the "bottom" I see 8. This is probably due to the convex shape of the crt screen and the magnet is probably not dead nuts centered.

Is anyone else as fascinated with these images as I am? I will definitely be busting out the last crt screen in the house and playing with my magnets until I destroy it

Thanks again barbosi. I had heard one could use a crt to observe a magnetic field but that description stated modifications were required.

[Allcanadian]

@ritman2
I think we should be cautious concerning what we think we see. For instance if air was swirling around the corner of my house and I through a handful of flour in the air should I assume Flour always forms into a vortex, flour forms lines of force which spin or that flour magically forms geometric patterns when thrown in the air?. Well no that's silly and yet that is exactly what we are doing when we use something to measure the magnetic field. We have confused interactions in the media used to measure the field with the field itself.

Generally speaking there are no lines of force they are simply an external interaction with the field, flour in the wind.
There is no spin and the field is static in the space external to the source which created the field, again flour in the wind.
The field fundamentally has two directions, expansion and contraction and any other artifacts are simply....flour in the wind.

As well I can go further, there is no such thing as a magnetic field and the measurable force we perceive in the space surrounding the source is in fact just flour in the wind. The field of force we measure is another set of external interactions most have yet to fully understand thus we have labelled it as a "field" but that is not what it is fundamentally. Which leads to the most obvious question... what is a field? and how can a force be imparted through a space we believe is empty?.

AC

[Loadstone]

@ritman2
Which leads to the most obvious question... what is a field? and how can a force be imparted through a space we believe is empty?.

AC

A force can be imparted through empty space if it is an emotional force. Something(s) that are actually "living". No "lines of force" are required between them....nor do they need to emit anything. Just as a man and a woman standing in empty space can have an attraction between them....so can the constituent parts of the Aether.

[ritman2]

A force can be imparted through empty space if it is an emotional force. Something(s) that are actually "living". No "lines of force" are required between them....nor do they need to emit anything. Just as a man and a woman standing in empty space can have an attraction between them....so can the constituent parts of the Aether.

I cant see the "force" in a magnet, but I CAN see when I face 2 magnets north to north that SOMETHING is present because I cant make them touch the way I can with 2 of most other objects. That is the force I am trying to understand and the scientific explanations dont do that for me.

When I had a magnet in my hand and one on the counter and went to pick up the one on the counter and it jumped through the air, smacked into my fingers and tried to keep going to mate with the one in my hand, I said to my friend, "how can nobody else see that potential?".

So my quest is to understand what is going on there and use it to do what everyone else on this forum is trying to do: use it to get free electricity(or energy). I fully believe in the Howard Johnson motor and despite thousands of failed attempts, I am the kind of person who can not let that go. I WILL figure it out. On that subject, my perspective is, the man got a patent after 6 years of red tape, and I cannot understand nor accept why it hasnt been done. Anyone who thinks I am crazy or wasting my time is of no value to me and is incapable of any useful contribution other than their pessimism helps motivate me because I truely believe.

That was not meant to imply that you said anything of that nature, I just said whats on my mind. I will start a thread and hopefully people will post in the same spirit that I am following this thread, I agree with the OP. Peace out cub scout!

[barbosi]

I cant see the "force" in a magnet, but I CAN see when I face 2 magnets north to north that SOMETHING is present because I cant make them touch the way I can with 2 of most other objects. That is the force I am trying to understand and the scientific explanations dont do that for me.

The way I visualize the interaction between field lines of magnet's poles I described in post http://www.energeticforum.com/248696-post10.html. If it helps I will try it again with the aid of Figure 25b from post http://www.energeticforum.com/250407-post80.html

[barbosi]

Figure 25a

[ritman2]

Barbosi,
I tried the CRT in the place I found it... With no signal the screen is black and produces zero reaction to a small neo, over the no signal message it produced a totally different pattern.. it looked sort of a wheel(spokes actually) pattern but with dots at the end of the spokes and in between.. It definitely looked nothing like the pattern in figures 2 and 3.

I was originally going to say a pinwheel pattern but it was actually much more like a kalaidescope but sort of symetrical with circular patterns of the 3 colors and elongated near the magnet so that the circle(ish) shapes were closer to wide ovals. The no signal pattern is 3 bars, green red blue top to bottom.

A ceramic rectangle magnet that can be found at radio (sticker) shock (the ones that look like a dominoe) produced similar patterns but right at the edges of the magnet on the longer side it was similar to 3a in that one side clearly had twice as many dots as the other.

Both types of magnet were polarized through the thickness. Also the ceramic distorted the screen when removed(remember the days when we couldnt put speakers too close to the crt?) where the neo didnt.

Regarding iron filings, nanotubes with rod magnets would be an excellent way to visualize magnetic fields and verify if the field actually compresses and decompresses. Well that could be proven on a larger scale simply with a glass tube and the thinnest rod magnet you could match to it, but thinking that through, I'm pretty sure thats not happening

[ritman2]

[Loadstone]

@Ritman....when you put two like poles together you are pointing streams of individual Nth pole magnets at each other. They are only attracted to the opposite kind....they are individual entities and they "know" which kind is which. Each entity has a front and a back which you can determine by a few simple tests. They are two kinds, but although they are attracted to the opposite kind they never stick together but always pass each other by. If they stuck together the whole universe would be a single lump of mass.
These entities use the light as a body...they go along with the light...and we call it the magnetic part of the light as shown in many graphs. They are much smaller than the light. They only move forwards and have to physically turn around to travel in the opposite direction...as they do in AC current. They can only move against the opposite kind. In a bar magnet they are in a perpetual orbit until you physically break that orbit....then the magnet is not a magnet any more. They are the excess substance in permanent magnets.....

[Siggi1974]

Quick statement on my tests

Just a quick reply to share my findings...

Experimenting since two years now with a Bedini setup I tried now a setup that I posted earlier and I feel this setup (90 degrees turned coils) is superior than using coils facing the rotor Magnets. I used two bifilar coils at 90 degree orientation. I did not use a washer plate yet to improve attraction, just a ferrit cores. The two bifilar coils are in series, so 1st winding of coil 1 to first winding of coil 2 to second winding of coil 1 and back to second winding of coil 2. The circuit is switched by an adjustable trigger coil and a TIP 122 NPN transistor. There is one diode used to get the spikes back from the - side of the switched coils and given into a completely dead battery with a 2,5 Volt potential left. My observations are...
The sytem likes potential. I am using a 30 Volt supply with 5A. When I do not add the dead battery or a load the sytem is using about 0.4 A, will burn the Transistor down and reduce speed. With a load at the back the A reduce to over half, the System is increasing speed and transistor stays cold (not even warm). When I draw the cores and leave them as air coils the sytem increases Amps and slows down. The cores add induction and attraction to the system and reduce my amp draw...I feel if I could get still closer with the coils the amp draw will decrease further. My System runs now at a good speed with almost 1,6 Watts (20 Volts and 0,08 A) and everything is staying cold The Potential in the dead battery increases from 2,5 to almost 13 Volts as soon as you add it to the back and you can run a load on it.
Will test further.

Regards
Siggi

[ritman2]

@loadstone - I re-read my post and I can see why u think I am a mook, but I have replicated HJ's linear motor twice(worked the first time with neo stators), built a Bedini motor that runs and charges batteries(not self running but close) and studied magnetism intensely so I was stunned you think I dont know that pole to pole repels.

I am definitely a noob compared to this forum's users but I know a thing or 2 about a thing or 2. After a second re-read, yeah I said some stupid isht so THANKS for not tearing me apart!

[thx1138]

...over the no signal message it produced a totally different pattern..

The no signal message is displayed by electrons from the electron gun hitting the phosphors on the screen. The electrons are guided by electromagnets inside the yoke to hit particular individual phosphors to produce red, green, or blue depending on the color the phosphor emits. What is being seen on the monitor is the deflection of the electron beams onto phosphors they were not intended to hit. That does not mean the magnetic field is twisted but that the elctron beams are deflected from their intended course.

Even the no signal message is displayed via the electron gun hitting phosphors. It's just saying that the monitor circuit isn't detecting an incoming signal.

As Allcanadian said, you are seeing the effects of the force interacting with the matter around it. The nature of that interaction is also dependent upon the nature of the matter with which it is interacting.

Remove all power from the CRT monitor and hold your magnet up to the screen and what will you see? In fact, try it on an LCD monitor or television that has no electron beams that is powered up and displaying this page.

[thx1138]

Double Helical Magnetic Interaction

Good animations of the double helix flow. Scroll down as there are several.
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