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[RAMSET]

If you woke up tomorrow with an FE device that could save
lives and with the complete understanding and ability to share with others.

what would you do ?

sincerely

Chet

[BroMikey]

Mikey I have a sincere question to ask you
yourself being a man of the cloth .

are you around ??

More like a wild man with a loin clothe, LOL. Shoot!!

[RAMSET]

The head on the pillow at night..

Mikey I have a sincere question to ask you
yourself being a man of the cloth .

are you around ??

[BroMikey]

Yes Agreed, very painful, especially for those who are
involved. Let me give you another look at how I see this.

One episode I had a man at home who could play music,
got very good grades in schools also a giving person.

One day his family came home and he had his tool belt
on and had removed all of the paneling in their apartment.
He had taken the day off work and no one was any the wiser
til they returned home that day.

This happened out of the blue, according to the family.

The land lord was very understanding and put the paneling
back on. The young man was asked why he did that and his
reply was that he wanted to improve the apartment.

Later he got worse and today he is cared for properly where
people who are kind to him that have all day to watch over
him in a controlled environment. Some peeps say that is sad.
I disagree. This is a good thing because without proper guidance
all sorts of people take advantage of these people.

He can not smoke and drink, he can't drive a car but other
than that he can play games, watch TV, talk to others and
live out a safe life.

The people there like it so well after a while that they don't
want to leave. They remember the uncertainty of their old
way of life and have grown to enjoy their disciplines.

No one knows why people snap, if that is what it is. Some
folks I speak with are plagued with epilepsy as children
and then it goes away for awhile. You just never know
what might happen.

But one thing is true as you have reaffirmed, he is where he
NEEDS to be, and I stress "NEED". When peeps have needs
we often don't want to face facts, this is called denial.

Many family members battle with this denial more so, than an
outsider would, who has a more analytical view of the cause
and effects.

Some family members never get over it, they believe that the
person should be let go free, back out where another bad
event might take place. But the family is often willing to risk
that, promising to oversee the weaker.

This does happen in some cases but not very often because
as I said they don't want to leave their homes inside.

The voices say things such as 'YOU ARE THE COMING OF JESUS"
and they repeat what they are hearing from the spirit world.
Many start out in Churches like this," THE LORD TOLD ME " or
HE told me that. Over the years this can lead to a belief that is
real to them but totally incoherent with reality.

Let us rejoice in that they are cared for, they have breath, they
have blood flowing through their bodies, they are alive, they are
happy also just like you and I.

The readjustment is quick as their new life is much better all of the
way around. Playing pool with others and musical instruments.

These places are great.



[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1B-okG3548[/VIDEO]

[RAMSET]

Never meant to cut off anybody !

It is very very hard to speak of these things ,more so from my perspective
Or ..opinion.. as you say.

We are entitled to our opinions ,but in my mind there is something very different about this
Topic and entitlement to an opinion .strictly as it applies to the children involved .

One thing is for certain and requires no opinion whatsoever SA is in a very good place now
And I sincerely hope he never gets the chance to do this again.

Chet

[BroMikey]

This is not my newly formed opinion. I can not change yours
either. So what needs to be done is to have a time of healing.

I am not here to fight you on your opinion but you seem very
strong against others and don't have a problem with using
words to cut your opponents off.

Mental illness is nothing new. SDA is another cult, so is LDS.

I have been kind to you. You are unset?

[RAMSET]

Bro

I honestly don't understand your comments of late.

I have to say for the most part your heart seems in the right place ,
I also have to say that in regard to SA and this forums history

It would seem your heart needs a little time to consider just how far retribution should go?

And at what cost!


Chet

[BroMikey]

I have witnessed enough cutting for one day so I feel
it is time to heal. It is very painful when dealing with
so much Ill will and I am sure you will agree.

Denial and indifference are the biggest offenders
we deal with on such a long list of complicated
subject matter.

Take a deep breath and enjoy your day. This is a
time of healing. You can't keep cutting away at
these ideas without a rest interval. This takes time.

It is easy for me to point all of these things out because
I have had time to adjust. This is a spiritual matter and
whenever we drag out the old skeletons to dust them off
we are under attack.

It's like these friendly fire exchanges tent to jump ship
back and forth to cause more harm than good. I hope
you can forgive and understand even tho no Ill intent
was ever delivered against anyone.

When I speak about these issues it is from a stand point
of acceptance of my view of this reality. I am sure.

Those who are not in the know look at statements as if
they are fiction. Or at best very painful to listen to and
nothing really out of the ordinary is expressed.

This is because we are in a battle on a level most are
unprepared for. This can be the only explanation. Words
are the most powerful force in our present existence.

[RAMSET]

A fount of wisdom ??

I will try to understand your position , It has been said here "these are His own words " [referring to The SA person] as a justification for publishing
all this Puke being attached to the Kids [here and elsewhere]

I ask you ..since when do we follow an example for how to treat children
from a man like this ??

is his the Bar by which we would measure our own standards for the Innocents ?

he did it so its OK ?? that makes it right ? point to the man that has such good judgment when children are involved ??

"well he told all about it so whats your problem Chet ?"

what exactly are you saying here Bro ??

since it has become apparent that the victims of this man are becoming increasingly vulnerable to this crime and the collateral damage ,I would have thought the classy thing for you gentlemen to do was remove the hype
and dump the thread somewhere that it is not a topic at the Kids school or dinner table or whatever ??

but no Chet must have some secret motive ,this behavior of ours is completely normal and acceptable for an energy forum where Kids come to learn...

Mikey
please say what you mean here and stop beating around the bush ?

I came here to see if there could be a discussion around the future
of peswiki under a different leader ,

I did not want to post in the Mentioned thread for what should be apparent reasons !

so Mikey spit it out !!

Chet K

[BroMikey]

Bro
I am having a hard time following your dots here

Can you connect them in one sentence ? Or maybe two ?

The
Chet

Yes I think you need time to digest what has been written.
Go back and read what others are saying about these mental
issues. I know it is hard to get it all in 1 or 2 posts.

I am not being funny either, I have spent years facing up
to facts about humanity. This takes time to really settle
into your understanding of the world.

Many people have these slight imperfections, if you want to
call it that to where people are not damaging to others so
they seem to be normal in many aspect. They are often
very smart on many issues.

More than we care to see. Give yourselves time.

Love one another is very important, this is the basis of
all law and order. The perversion of the definition of
"love" is where we see the problem.

[RAMSET]

Bro
I am having a hard time following your dots here

Can you connect them in one sentence ? Or maybe two ?

The
Chet

[BroMikey]

Okay here is my take.

I completely understand how much of a shock this all is
when for years people thought another person they trusted
turned out to be way out in left field. I have been watching
this for forty years and have had lots of time to sort this
all out.

The 60's taught me alot because many people used drugs
such as LSD and other psychotropics. Some of them did
quit for a long period but continued to have flash backs.

I learned that 1 episode was enough for some people to
effected for years to come. While they were young nothing
seemed to surface.

In their 30's out to 40's things will change and relapse
comes. Another interesting experiment I did was to ask
what the person did for spiritual exercise. This too
had an impact concerning spiritual actively that has
shown to cause the personality to swerve.

The main thing is that it took me years to actually
come to grips with this reality. People were walking
around who fooled me on the surface so I began
learning ways to find out quickly if a person was
truly competent.

I am able to find out sometimes within a 5 minute
conversation and I am not the only one here on this
forum who can do this. It looks like Aaron is better
at this than I am.

Generally the degree of which people go off the deep
end in conversation is so small I will overlook these
minor inconsistency but somethings are so crystal
clear it just can't be avoided.

Of course it hurts very much to find this out and hope
always takes a hold wishing I am totally wrong. I have
found that in most areas people will appear the same
as the next.

But if you find that touchy subject, all of the cards
fall loosely out of the deck in an unchecked fashion.


The world is not what it looks to be.

[RAMSET]

I had no idea you were unaware of this offer [or Aaron]
as Aaron said it was at the top of the forum ,but It was an odd comment about bumping the other thread ??

a lot of water flowed under the bridge in the last 24 hrs, and I'm not so certain anymore about this whole topic ,not certain the good could be separated from the Bad at Peswiki ....

Tooo much Bad for sure ,I'm a bit burnt out over this at the moment .

people will have ideas and opinions about peswiki ...whether they will feel comfortable expressing them is another story, I am not certain I myself understand how to feel about all the work and what it accomplished [or didn't].

its all just a Big Yech at the moment , actually been that way for quite some time from my perspective .

I always felt it was a really good tool in the wrong hands..

[BroMikey]

Bromikey
can we have a discussion here about Peswiki ?

That other thread makes me feel like I have to take a Hot shower in gasoline
with a match chaser when I read there.

I don't completely understand your perspective ,but I feel that mixing
the victims into this and all the headline hype and publicity ,will only be a kind of rape all its own?

what exactly is your point ??

I do agree a point needs to be made about Peswiki and its future.
or should it just be left to Rot ??

respectfully
Chet

You have the floor. I didn't see this until just now, sure go ahead.

[RAMSET]

So I'll take that as a no



If you were unaware that this grandstanding and vitriol against The perpetrator is revealing much more about the victims in links posted all over the net
and you feel comphy with your handling of this ..

sorry to wake you Boys