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[citfta]

Hi gyula,

My primary purpose is to research some of the ideas Bizzy presented when he was working on the Watson/Bedini machine. I am using electronic switching using mosfets instead of the mechanical switching Bizzy used. As he found there are a lot of variables to consider in the design of the machine. The flywheel has to be sized to match the motor and generator. The speed of the machine affects the generating ability and the effect of the flywheel on maintaining speed. The on and off time of the motor affects the current draw and how much you have to keep getting from the generator side to maintain battery charge. Just a lot of things to adjust and try to see what affects what. So mostly I am just playing around with how many coils do I need to keep the battery up and the on and off time of the motor. At this point I have not gotten to a system that will run and keep itself charged at the same time. So still adjusting and testing. So to answer your question, yes I would like to get more out than I put in but am not there yet.

Later,
Carroll

PS: I have some things I have to do, but if I get time later I will post a picture of my set-up.

[gyula]

Hi Carroll,

Would like to ask whether the purpose of your test setup is to receive more output than input? I know that you did not write such and Dave (Turion) has clearly written in his thread that he did not claim such either, as he also kindly showed a video on his own generator setup very similar to that of yours in principle.

Of course I know that building and testing some setups is the best way to explore ideas and I wonder that in this particular setup the initial idea inherently includes the extra output possibility?
Dave mentioned Angus Wangus generator setup which is similar to both of your setups and maybe I did not notice but has Angus Wangus found very efficient operation for his generator setup?

Thanks,
Gyula

[OrthoParameter]

cool setup

well, that's an easy setup using off shelf and re-purposed machines.


I still haven't left the barn on anything, although I did go by my storage and pull out the old Matt pulse motor to rewind.

Have to finish transplanting tomato, pepper, melons, and other plants into our straw bale garden and rig up the timer and soaker hoses so I don't have to get up early and water this summer when it gets....well.....way tooooo hot down here in rutherford co, nc.

[citfta]

Here is a picture of my test set-up. I have removed the window motor stator windings. You can still see the rotor of the window motor in behind the flywheel on the other side of the wooden bearing support. I have the scooter motor disconnected at this time so you don't see it at the far end of the shaft. I am reusing my window motor shaft because I already have this nice flywheel mounted and balanced on the window motor shaft.

This is the way I had it when I got the results I posted earlier. With only these two sets of magnets I was able to charge the 50 volt 13,000 uf cap to over 50 volts in about 2 seconds. I have noticed that the attraction of the magnets seems to be the strongest when one north pole magnet is over one leg of the coil assembly and one south pole magnet is over the other leg of the coil assembly. I feel sure once I get the rest of the magnets mounted and the whole thing balanced I will be able to charge that cap almost instantly. I did find a cap rated for 100 volts so I can use that to see what the highest voltage I can get will be.

I also was running the scooter motor at the lowest setting of my variable power supply. It is rated at 12 volts and 30 amps. But the output is adjustable from about 9 nine volts to about 15 volts. So I was running the motor on about 9 volts.

In studying this I see that the two coils are wound in opposite directions. Looking from the magnet end one coil is wound clockwise and the other is wound counterclockwise. I am looking at one of the assemblies I have that is not encased in plastic. If I remember right that is the same way the PMH is wound.

I think the picture explains how I am doing my testing. If anyone has any questions I will try to answer them. I really want to see what these coils will do when I can get all the magnets mounted and balanced and then add some more coils to help eliminate the cogging although the cogging is now so low it barely raised the current draw of the unloaded motor. With no coils and running on 9 volts the current was about 5.5 amps. With the one coil assembly mounted and charging the cap the current was still under 6 amps.

Later,
Carroll

[Turion]

Success

Carroll,
Glad to see this is working for you. I only had the one PMH to experiment with, but it looked good to me. I have wondered about some things, and there are some things that I wanted to try. I'll get to them eventually. The important thing is that it appears this MIGHT function as a decent generator. I know more testing is needed, but this is a good first step.

Ortho,
Thanks for printing those parts!! I will be happy to get that project assembled and in the test phase. I think I have 4 projects in the test phase right now and 3 in the construction phase. My wife just shakes her head, but better this than internet porn I guess. Although you can get a lot of free porn....and this stuff is ALL expensive! LOL Oh and this has GOTTA be more addicting than porn too!! So beware guys!

Dave

[genessc]

Is that one from Cincinnatis flying pigs park down by riverfront?

Gene

proof of concept ?

[OrthoParameter]

Some initial test with the pump motor coils and ceramic magnets look promising. With only four magnets on my flywheel/rotor I am able to charge a 13,000 uf 50 volt cap up to over 50 volts in a couple of seconds. I don't know what the final voltage would be as I shut it off before the voltage went any higher. I need to get some higher voltage caps to see how high it will settle out to be.

I only had 4 magnets on the rotor because when I had a full set of magnets I got a severe out of balance problem. Apparently I am going to have to weigh all the magnets and try to find some that all weigh the same. These are all rough cut so the weights are not exactly the same.

I am also going to have to get some stronger packing tape that has the fiber strands in it. When the out of balance rotor started shaking it broke the regular clear tape and magnets went flying like bullets all over the shop. I had already made sure I was not going to be in the path of any flying magnets so no injuries to report.

The above voltage was gotten with the coil mounted about 1/4" away from the magnets. At that distance there is almost no magnetic drag. I was surprised I could get that much power with the coil so far from the magnets but it seems to be working.

When I get the rotor balanced with all magnets on it then I will mount some more coils which will allow me to reduce the cogging effect even more. So that should make the system even more efficient. I will report more when I get the rotor with magnets working like I want it to.

Later,
Carroll

That is great news! Are you running magnets between the core arms or axial across the ends? My design, I think parallels yours so I would love to collaborate and see what you have going on. I'm first going to try off the shelf crossover coils with my custom cast core. I have 2 4700uF 400v caps I can parallel.

I went to pick up my magnetite powder and sodium silicate but was not there. I came home and checked tracking and it said that the package was damaged and returned. Amazon reviews show a history of leaking packages arriving due to lame packaging. Oh well, I'm printing parts for Dave so I'll be busy for a while and I also got my wire for Matt's new pulse motor design. I have a quantity on sodium hydroxide so I may just buy some silica gel and make my own silicate.

[citfta]

Some initial test with the pump motor coils and ceramic magnets look promising. With only four magnets on my flywheel/rotor I am able to charge a 13,000 uf 50 volt cap up to over 50 volts in a couple of seconds. I don't know what the final voltage would be as I shut it off before the voltage went any higher. I need to get some higher voltage caps to see how high it will settle out to be.

I only had 4 magnets on the rotor because when I had a full set of magnets I got a severe out of balance problem. Apparently I am going to have to weigh all the magnets and try to find some that all weigh the same. These are all rough cut so the weights are not exactly the same.

I am also going to have to get some stronger packing tape that has the fiber strands in it. When the out of balance rotor started shaking it broke the regular clear tape and magnets went flying like bullets all over the shop. I had already made sure I was not going to be in the path of any flying magnets so no injuries to report.

The above voltage was gotten with the coil mounted about 1/4" away from the magnets. At that distance there is almost no magnetic drag. I was surprised I could get that much power with the coil so far from the magnets but it seems to be working.

When I get the rotor balanced with all magnets on it then I will mount some more coils which will allow me to reduce the cogging effect even more. So that should make the system even more efficient. I will report more when I get the rotor with magnets working like I want it to.

Later,
Carroll

[OrthoParameter]

Lol....there's my flying pole pig

[citfta]

I like it! Let me know when they go into production. I would like to order one. Then I won't have to pay the utility company anymore.

[voltan]

proof of concept ?

[genessc]

Hi Bob,

The Longitudinal ampere force is just that an Ampere Current that inrushes the conductors orthagonally aka perpendicularly to the direction that the current elements are laid out and conducting on. Its not the Voltage, its a function of the volts turned pure current due the very low resistance of the current elements, which in that book were defined as two closed circuits that had a DC source to provide constant Very high AMPS thru the pair of elements, each with their OWN source, not shared source, and it was this interaction that occurred when the two current elements were put in local relation which then would cause this massive sideways incoming force to manifest on the wires which would then cause them to go brittle and crack when carrying such huge Amp Currents.

Ones gotta keep in mind that volts to amps is a sliding spectrum. If you have 12volts at 10amps, you could also have 120volts at 1 amp and its the same wattage, just a different "format" of that wattage. You could also have 1.2volts at 100amps... and its the same watts, different "format". In all 3 cases its still only 100watts.

So far GM has yet to stick to one system and actually work thru all the contributing details, instead of doing that he starts new context after context, and in none of them does he bother with details of basic importance such as determining input volts and amps versus output volts and amps.

At this point I've written GM off as now hes on about some RC brushless motor then followed by some 108amp alternator to drive one of his pole pigs... context after context of unfinished work. All he has is ignorance and he seems to be only to happy to share it.

I've been thru tesla, and the truth of growth is that its all DC impulses... the universe is a DC thing... cosntantly moving in a single vector when looked at from any particular point from within this context, while its moving as a Scalar cumulatively and aggregately to grow and take up ever more of the nothing with something...

If you watch those discovery/TLC channel sped up day/night viewings of the rainforest you can see the pulsations of life in the thermal gradients which are what are asymetric (or which are picked up asymetrically by the plants interacting with such) to then allow them to Expand during the day more than they contract during each night, thus evincing a "growth" function...

No need to furnish references for the tesla claims, I've purchased and own most books published relating to Tesla... been thru them a few times too. You might dig looking up a guy named D'arsonval as all of teslas "coils" were setup with biased polar primaries... d'arsonval had a means for making the drive coils unbiased... which I've managed to replicate in a couple novel setups in my garage... the ion chair and the bellerian apparatus.

Curious stuff huh.
Take care,
Gene

I've felt from the beginning that this is where discussion on the GM thread needed to go. But instead, lots of huffing and puffing threatening to blow the house down . I think this (Longitudinal impulse electricity) is what you were pointing toward, Gene?

My question has always been, how is the effect GM is seeing related to Tesla's impulse electricity that EPD describes as a major factor in the engineering of Tesla's motors subsequent to the AC Polyphase motors. By his later years, Tesla had already moved beyond AC polyphase in his electric motor designs and was harnessing impulse electricity. If I can find some references, I'll post them later on.

Bob

[citfta]

Hi Bob,

That is what this thread is for. To post discussions about the technical aspects of whatever project anyone wants to post about. It is too bad you can't do that on the actual threads about the project. But some people don't want anyone asking questions about their project. So feel free to come here. Please post any info you desire to share. Thanks for posting.

Carroll

[Bob Smith]

Thanks for sharing! I was hoping there would be a jewel found there that could help with longitudinal impulse understanding, but perhaps not.....

I've felt from the beginning that this is where discussion on the GM thread needed to go. But instead, lots of huffing and puffing threatening to blow the house down . I think this (Longitudinal impulse electricity) is what you were pointing toward, Gene?

My question has always been, how is the effect GM is seeing related to Tesla's impulse electricity that EPD describes as a major factor in the engineering of Tesla's motors subsequent to the AC Polyphase motors. By his later years, Tesla had already moved beyond AC polyphase in his electric motor designs and was harnessing impulse electricity. If I can find some references, I'll post them later on.

Bob

[citfta]

Hello Gene,

I saw the lasersaber's video on making the Stubblefield coil. Lasersaber used to be a regular poster here but I don't think he has posted here in a long while. He does some really nice work.

I got my ceramic magnets in today. Hopefully late tomorrow or Friday I will have time to put together a generator using the ceramic magnets and the washing machine pump motor coils. I am hoping by using ceramic magnets instead of the neos I will reduce the cogging and keep from heating the laminations of the pump motor coils. This also should reduce my voltage to a more reasonable level. It would be great if my voltage came out to be somewhere close to 120 volts. I'll let you know how it turns out.

Later,
Carroll