Use for the Tesla Switch

[nvisser]

[ldissing]

I did suggest that to eliminate one of the variables, but I don't know that this is true for the TS system. But the C20 rate would be for the length of time on, so in your situation, Total time per cycle = 6 seconds, length of "on" time ~500ms, so the bulb could be as big as 12*your C20 for these particular lengths of time, you see what I'm saying.

I assume you are using roughly a 7 amp hour batter. So the C20 is 350ma. But, with a 7ah battery and your CURRENT "on" time compared with your "off" time, you could run 4.2 amps through it, during that 500 ms with no problem, you are not violating the C20, so to speak.

I believe that JB was using those really small bulbs when 3.2-3.8V when he was using those 7.2V batteries. 7.2 / 2 = 3.6V, so we should be able to use 6 V bulbs on 12V batteries as long as we are using some dead time in the system. A 50/50 duty cycle (each side on 50% or total on time = 100%) will blow those bulbs out, but a 25% duty cycle will not.

I think I know how to get both sides to charge and run the load, and as soon as I am positive and can show you a fool proof method of doing it and knowing that it is right, I'll post it.

Leroy

P.S. I almost for got to say....I did get rid of the digital meters.

[ldissing]

@JB,

I'm sending you a PM, I did not fully understand before, but I do believe that I finally understand what is happening in this most incredible circuit.

@Bit's,

I apologize to you, your PNPs were turning on even though by conventional logic they should not have. I still do not think you needed the PNPs in the circuit, but I do belive that they were turning on briefly if they could catch the HV pulses in the circuit.

@all

This system is so connected to the pulsing that JB has been showing us since 1984 that my head is spinning.


Leroy

[nvisser]

[JANGYD]

Switching in a differential mode

I was trying to understand TWO mission on JB's post.
One is 'The FIRST part of this is how much POTENTIAL can you move
in a MICROSECOND BEFORE the CURRENT builds up in the circuit?' on #1028,
the other is 'how a transistor really switches used in a DIFFERENTIAL mode' on #454.

I thought these two is basic and fundamental for TS and advancement to 'NEGISTOR', and also these two is related each other.

I think it's not about NEGISTOR, hope what I am seeing is about above two.
I asked on other post how I can get +2V over to charge the low side battery.
That's because I couldn't and can't find that voltage on my circuit.
So I thought there need something specific switching method for this.

I don't know for now this is switching in a differential mode, but it's not
a normal switching as far as I know based on my 20 year's experience.

On a normal switching the transisor swings from cutoff to saturation region
meaning the voltage swings from Vcc to Vce(saturation).
I don't know this switching can charge the battery well, but What I am seeing is different from the common switching.
I also can see +2V over in case of this switching only in the swiching moment.

I hope I am correct.

ps) I started this experiment with 3 battery system from JB's circuit and
added and changed every parts one by one, and checked and balanced them.
My circuit is oneside circuit for now and the other side will be added nextweek.

JANG

[Matthew Jones]

Thanks JOHN

I think I have got to go to some bigger batteries.

Matt

[Matthew Jones]

Well if the bulb destroys the square wave the motor incinerates it.

I have been looking for a stable load, to hike the battery up to 14.5 or better.

I have pulse motor thats runs across and does it and the batteries show a high charge but loose after while.

I have been working with that negative resistance wave and I am real close to keeping to power output stable while maintaining a modulation in the wave form. So the load never sees any flow shut off but the wave can drive something like a transformer. The transformer will in turn step the voltage up and drive the amperage down. Maybe the transformer will generate, thats just a hope.
I read an article about forcing amperage into a capacitive load by counter acting the resistance caused by the capacitive load with a negative resistor.
It alot smaller scale that this but the theory and the math should be applicable. I think he was driving power mosfets. The negative resistance should match the positive resistance in the load. That makes the load look infinitely open
If it works out the battery should take the higher voltage and the flow of amperage should be forced into the battery. The batteries impedance from discharging should be counter acted.

The problem comes trying to measure the batteries resistance after discharge. But I'll figure it out.

The biggest problem I can imagine is the battery is resisting power coming in. Although the current is flowing to it, it does not absorb.
"It returns the Aether" some of my more religious friend would say. But at the same time I think the battery is self charging via an Reverse Ion Flow to some extent, we are just not catching what is put in. The power going in needs to be change to mostly voltage.

I don't know if it will work, I know i have a big picture thing in my head that has got to come out.

Matt

[John_K]

@ John K

Can you get your batteries to climb to 14 with a load like light bulb?

I can with some motors but not a any bulb so far.

Matt

Hi Matt,

Yes, I had them to >15V at one point with a bulb as the load. The load needs to be pretty big to do this however. But not too big that the 24V bank drains too quickly. The load will depend on the size of the batteries. Note that the 24V bank will generally drop about 0.2V per 12V battery initially and then it should only lose about 0.01V every 30 minutes or so.

When one side is charged, then I believe both banks should rest for a while, at least an hour. This is when I've had the best results. The 24V bank will often bounce bank to its original resting voltage, whilst the 12V bank will rest higher than its original voltage.

I just can't seem to get the batteries to charge up much when switching sides at 2Hz, they don't go down, but they only charge up a few 1/100ths of a volt each and sit there. Mind you, the load is still being run - so it does prove that the TS does work.


John K.

[Inquorate]

@ John K

Can you get your batteries to climb to 14 with a load like light bulb?

I can with some motors but not a any bulb so far.

Matt

a bulb in my hybrid system destroys the square wave - the spikes disappear and the batteries lose charge.

good to hear about your success with motors, that's what i was going to start on next

[Matthew Jones]

@ John K

Can you get your batteries to climb to 14 with a load like light bulb?

I can with some motors but not a any bulb so far.

Matt

[John_K]

Off-topic - back-popping

Vissie,

I think he means "pure scalar pulses" devoid of ALL current will eventually destroy a battery. This is probably based on John Bedini's pendulum setup tests when it was tuned so that practically no current was getting through at all.

Leroy

P.S. Thanks, I finally understand something I could not understand before in my previous setups.

Leroy is right. The TS is different than "back-popping" the primary. If you are back-popping, you need to convert the energy first. The Bedini patented capacitor discharge system will do this.

Back on-topic - I'm load testing some 7Ah gel cells to make sure I have 4 GOOD batteries to play with for the TS. The plan is to only switch sides once the 12V bank reaches 14.5 volts. Then I want to run my rotored SSG as a load. At least I will get extended time from the "primary".

John K.

[ldissing]

Here is an old post from Aaron about charging batteries with no current.
It is about the SSG selfrunner.
The tesla switch in charging mode(low freq. pulsing) must be a current pump and the batteries will get enough current to charge.
When you use it to run a load or inverter the freqeuncy has to go up to get a useable voltage between the 2 negatives.
No if you look at what he said about the battery in
powering/charging/powering/charging mode , is that not what happens in the TS and will the batteries also damaged in the long run.
He also said that charging batteries with only radiant spikes will kill it. I thought that was the way to desulphate and condition batteries. Does this means that to condition the batteries we have to use a cap pulser after the radiant generator.
All JB`s latest videos on the solar charger uses large current spikes to charge the batteries.

Vissie,

I think he means "pure scalar pulses" devoid of ALL current will eventually destroy a battery. This is probably based on John Bedini's pendulum setup tests when it was tuned so that practically no current was getting through at all.

Leroy

P.S. Thanks, I finally understand something I could not understand before in my previous setups.

[nvisser]

Here is an old post from Aaron about charging batteries with no current.
It is about the SSG selfrunner.
The tesla switch in charging mode(low freq. pulsing) must be a current pump and the batteries will get enough current to charge.
When you use it to run a load or inverter the freqeuncy has to go up to get a useable voltage between the 2 negatives.
No if you look at what he said about the battery in
powering/charging/powering/charging mode , is that not what happens in the TS and will the batteries also damaged in the long run.
He also said that charging batteries with only radiant spikes will kill it. I thought that was the way to desulphate and condition batteries. Does this means that to condition the batteries we have to use a cap pulser after the radiant generator.
All JB`s latest videos on the solar charger uses large current spikes to charge the batteries.

I tried this setup and got the input batt to climb as I have had the input battery climbing in the past with other variations.

I didn't get 2000v but I know one thing from my personal observations. It seems to damage the input battery. If it is just radiant spikes, it will kill the battery. There needs to be some current to put it in charging mode.

Also, the battery doesn't work well powering/charging/powering/charging, etc...

It needs to do one or the other. The lead ion movement needs to get going in one directly for charging over a long enough time. Getting it to do that while it is running screw up the battery. My observation.

I have tried other variations putting it to cap connected to input battery, etc... there may be other variations that work better than others.

[ashtweth]

If you haven't seen Dan Winter's info you might try wading through some of it
here

I've seen Dan in person before some guy tried to squash him with a lawsuit and ended up driving Dan out of the U.S. His work with sacred geometry and the Golden Mean is extensive.

ewizard thanks a lot for that sorry every one i meant to post that as a new thread must be working too hard these days, sorry about that guys .

Ash

[JohnStone]

I read awhile back about using rusted metal as a diode, do you think that the exploration of this was used in the old days as a means to experiment with different materials as a time delay or to get non monotonic behavior ?

Take it for shure. I recently red that in early days of radio, people tried a lot of crystals and other strange stuff in order to find new and better diodes for demodulation. It is told that some of them had loudspeakers being fed from their diode directly - tuned to distant stations (not near by). They may have produced some strange oscillations gaining energy - but unable to measure or understand what they did - mere mortals like us! Grey is told having used a strange white material (taken during a holiday in Norway) in order to build his apparatus.
Anyway - most inventions began with a strange barely detectable side effect.
Take the LED - it was initially a nice toy for physicists - barely visible.....
Take the laser. When invented, nobody knew what to do with this optical toy....
Same at scalar energy - steep and short pulses, delaying wires, lead acid ions ...... how is the correct operating principle like, the tuning? We are here to find it out.

@Matt
You mention JB speaking of spikes at switching on and off .... passing diodes undesturbed ....have you got a link. I'm interested to read this in detail. This might be an additional and welcome ingredient for TS. What are the boundary conditions to happen? Tesla himself gained considerable effects by shorting his pulse durations. Following TB - sufficient short pulses can tease out OU on copper wires as well as well (see Tesla).


@ALL
Some of you do experiments witch capacitors as well. Consult this link: A Scientific Introduction
What is your opinion? Will capacitors being loaded to a DC high voltage and oscillating at lower voltages - produce OU?. Perhaps here are some new ideas to experiment.

JolhnStone