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  • Originally posted by bistander View Post
    I gave you a one word answer as the subject of post #228. Why can you not see that and accept it? You won't even repeat it will you? What is the big deal? Must you manipulate everyone you interact with or just me? The answer is the subject or title line or header of post #228. If that is not what you want from me, it is just another one of your tactics to avoid a meaningful discussion. That is all you're interested in. A way out. Just explain why Lorentz force does not cause a torque opposing rotation in your generator. If you don't know what Lorentz force is, look it up. We've been dealing with it for over 120 years. Your need to classify it or rename it doesn't change the effects which Lorentz describes and everybody else calls Lorentz force.

    bi
    Study this bi and come back when you are able to talk about something
    you know about.


    [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRDVm5rn_2A[/VIDEO]

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    • Originally posted by bistander View Post
      Hi Turion,

      You can disregard the Law, but it still applies. It is called Lorentz Force. A functioning generator necessarily has magnetic flux through the coil and when loaded, has current through the conductors of that coil, therefore developes a force opposing motion.

      Just for kicks, I dare you to demonstrate your two claims stated above. I know you have said you've seen this, but we know what you see isn't always real, don't we?

      Regards,

      bi
      It only works if things are set up right to burn energy.

      [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8jKqZVwoI[/VIDEO]

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      • Still at it

        Originally posted by Turion View Post
        If it is a tactic, why do you refuse to commit to it except through pointing to it? You wonít say it because it pins you down. Thatís YOUR tactic not mine. You slip and slide around and dart out of the shadows to call other people liars and frauds, but youíre the fraud here. Afraid to commit yourself because you know it forces the discussion in a direction where you know you will lose. Just a one word answer bi. What is the Force? It isnít Lorentz Force so please quit using that term. It shows your limited understanding of physics. A one word answer. Youíve avoided it through a dozen posts now. How long will it go on? But thatís your purpose isnít it. To delay as long as possible so we are as far from the original issue as possible.
        Turion,

        I've answered your question. I'm not delaying anything. I am talking about the Lorentz force. I've explained what that means and there are volumes of reference and numerous demonstrations and experiments to support me. I have typed the magic word (I think) (at the top of post #228) which you attempt to make me repeat for some unknown reason. Having been the recipient of your trickery and humiliation on so many occasions I hesitate to fall prey this time. Proceed with your argument as to why Lorentz force does not apply to your generator or to where Tesla states in his patent that the novel coil will dispense the force opposing motion in a loaded generator. Or better yet, demonstrate it as you've said you would do.

        Regards,

        bi

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        • bistander

          Let me explain it to you bi. You havenít answered my question until youíve answered my question. Simple. Which force acknowledged and accepted by physics is your Lorentz Force? One word is all you have to post. But you have taken up a couple pages wasting time because you know how bad you will look and your tiny ego cannot handle it.

          NROC,
          Greetings. Poor bi does not know who you are in the world and doesnít deserve to know. Nor does he know what University you are affiliated with. He has no idea how far we have come or how essential an understanding of the 3 battery stuff is. But he is EXACTLY where he deserves to be. Some day we will get to rub his nose in it, but then he will just disappear and reappear under a different name. This is why he hides who he is. So when he is proven wrong he doesnít have any consequences to face. He can call people liars and frauds and he thinks they have no recourse.

          But we have the ULTIMATE recourse. We simply donít share with him what we know, and can laugh at him all day long because he will NEVER get there without help and WE are the only ones who can help him. And we choose NOT to.
          ďAdvances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.Ē
          óBernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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          • A professional physicist and EE

            Originally posted by NROC View Post
            Bi you still make me laugh....

            Dave, i dunno why you waste your time on this biproduct. Well, i do, because he's funny. He tried to tell me that there were issues with my method of measuring the input and output of a battery system lol, ive been a professional physicist and electrical engineer for over 10 years now and he still tried to make out like he knew what he was talking about.... i just sat there in shock at first because it was so dumb and then i laughed.

            Come on bi just admit to everyone that your either a paid government troll or some obese guy watching porn and trying to stroke your ego on forums.
            Hi NROC,

            Still wondering about that issue? Maybe it will dawn on you someday. And with your credentials, do you accept Turion's claim of a generator putting out real power in excess of 2000 watts while using less than 300 watts of input?

            Regards,

            bi

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            • Oh great oracle biproduct

              Hey Dave, yeah I know he's just a big ol troll and he isnt entitled to anything. Were doing the good work and i hope others will pick up the basics of the 3bgs, with motor, gen and return because it is so important.

              Bistander im still waiting for you to tell me why my method of measuring the input and output energy of the 3bgs is wrong? In fact im frothing at the mouth hoping you will tell me lol

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              • More Turion games

                Originally posted by Turion View Post
                Let me explain it to you bi. You havenít answered my question until youíve answered my question. Simple. Which force acknowledged and accepted by physics is your Lorentz Force? One word is all you have to post. But you have taken up a couple pages wasting time because you know how bad you will look and your tiny ego cannot handle it.
                ...
                Hi Turion,

                http://www.energeticforum.com/320868-post228.html

                Isn't the first word which I typed and shows in bold at the very top left in the linked post (#228) sufficient for a simple one word answer to your question? It was intended to be that. What wrong with it?

                Regards,

                bi

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                • For the record

                  Originally posted by Turion View Post
                  Let me explain it to you bi. You havenít answered my question until youíve answered my question. Simple. Which force acknowledged and accepted by physics is your Lorentz Force? One word is all you have to post. But you have taken up a couple pages wasting time because you know how bad you will look and your tiny ego cannot handle it.

                  NROC,
                  Greetings. Poor bi does not know who you are in the world and doesnít deserve to know. Nor does he know what University you are affiliated with. He has no idea how far we have come or how essential an understanding of the 3 battery stuff is. But he is EXACTLY where he deserves to be. Some day we will get to rub his nose in it, but then he will just disappear and reappear under a different name. This is why he hides who he is. So when he is proven wrong he doesnít have any consequences to face. He can call people liars and frauds and he thinks they have no recourse.

                  But we have the ULTIMATE recourse. We simply donít share with him what we know, and can laugh at him all day long because he will NEVER get there without help and WE are the only ones who can help him. And we choose NOT to.
                  Just saving this in case you delete things again.

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                  • Originally posted by bistander View Post
                    Hi NROC,

                    Still wondering about that issue? Maybe it will dawn on you someday. And with your credentials, do you accept Turion's claim of a generator putting out real power in excess of 2000 watts while using less than 300 watts of input?

                    Regards,

                    bi
                    I love how you wont tell me bi, i forgot how enigmatic you were. I do indeed believe his claim based on what ive seen from my own research and others. Those circuits and theories are not to be disclosed on here. Conventional circuits dump current to ground and as a result charge cannot be recovered. When you run between potentials the story changes significantly because now you can recover charge and store it again to do useful work.

                    The simulators etc i would normally use to model a circuit or the electromagnetic fields of the devices like in LTSPICE or CADFEKO do not work for these systems because the partial differential equations that are used to model them take current to ground. Or try to integrate maxwells equations over a small area looking at currents to ground. (I hope you understand that, if you can tell me which EM modelling technique that is then i will respect your opinion) The math for consumed energy and restored energy is not trivial in these systems and often non-linear circuit phenomenon like transients etc. ALL THAT SAID, these circuits can be built and there are dozens of examples of them dotted around the FE community, the only problem is trolls like yourself or big name people posing as experts and not knowing enough that they just tell everyone its magic to sell stuff.

                    Dave and Matt are about the only two credible people on this forum. Enough said.

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                    • Is this the 10th refusal to answer?

                      Still no answer. Which force acknowledged and accepted by physics is your Lorentz Force? One word is all you have to post.
                      Bye, bye, bi.
                      Last edited by Turion; 10-01-2019, 11:19 PM.
                      ďAdvances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.Ē
                      óBernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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                      • Please please please tell me bi

                        Bistander im still waiting for you to tell me why my method of measuring the input and output energy of the 3bgs is wrong? In fact im frothing at the mouth hoping you will tell me lol

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                        • Tell me

                          Originally posted by NROC View Post
                          I love how you wont tell me bi, i forgot how enigmatic you were. I do indeed believe his claim based on what ive seen from my own research and others. Those circuits and theories are not to be disclosed on here. Conventional circuits dump current to ground and as a result charge cannot be recovered. When you run between potentials the story changes significantly because now you can recover charge and store it again to do useful work.

                          The simulators etc i would normally use to model a circuit or the electromagnetic fields of the devices like in LTSPICE or CADFEKO do not work for these systems because the partial differential equations that are used to model them take current to ground. Or try to integrate maxwells equations over a small area looking at currents to ground. (I hope you understand that, if you can tell me which EM modelling technique that is then i will respect your opinion) The math for consumed energy and restored energy is not trivial in these systems and often non-linear circuit phenomenon like transients etc. ALL THAT SAID, these circuits can be built and there are dozens of examples of them dotted around the FE community, the only problem is trolls like yourself or big name people posing as experts and not knowing enough that they just tell everyone its magic to sell stuff.

                          Dave and Matt are about the only two credible people on this forum. Enough said.
                          So 2000 watts output having 300 watts input is 1700 watts of free, fuel-less, nonpoluting power. Why isn't our world running on such machines?

                          What kind of person has the key to improve the human condition and basically save our planet but chooses not to use it to relieve suffering, death and destruction?

                          And Turion's so upset because he can't force me to type a word, again.

                          bi

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                          • Already stated my answer

                            Originally posted by Turion View Post
                            Still no answer. Which force acknowledged and accepted by physics is your Lorentz Force? One word is all you have to post.
                            Bye, bye, bi.
                            I would imagine NROC can answer that.

                            bi

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                            • I already addressed this

                              Originally posted by NROC View Post
                              Bistander im still waiting for you to tell me why my method of measuring the input and output energy of the 3bgs is wrong? In fact im frothing at the mouth hoping you will tell me lol
                              Hi NROC,

                              Like Turion, you like to mix up what I have posted. I did not state that your method was "wrong". I said I saw issues as you described it.

                              Share with this forum the data from the test and I'll share my concerns (issues). Since Turion's thread is now locked, you can start a new 3bgs thread, or post it here.

                              Regards,

                              bi

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                              • Machine

                                Bi,
                                I have such a machine bi. And I brought it HERE and gave it away. But rather than build it and see the benefits you choose to spend all your time trying to discredit my work.


                                So this is the 11th refusal to answer?
                                Which force, acknowledged and accepted by physics is your Lorentz Force? One word is all you have to post.
                                Bye, bye, bi.

                                And YES, I am sure NROC can answer the question, but so can you. You just refuse to, and we both know why.

                                I have spoken to NROC by Skype and communicated with him many times. He understands exactly where Matt and I are coming from and where we are going. I know he has seen things that Electrical Engineers generally dismiss as nonsense, but he, because of his Physics background, was willing to look just a bit closer. and I know that his work in that direction has opened his eyes to some things YOU will never see because you are stuck in a box. But it's YOUR box, so have fun with it.


                                And I’ll give you some data you might be interested in. When you run a stock motor on the 3 battery system there is better than a one amp loss across the motor. With Matt’s motor there isn’t. Which is WHY we said to use the modified motor in testing. Something you DID NOT do.
                                Last edited by Turion; 10-02-2019, 01:38 AM.
                                ďAdvances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.Ē
                                óBernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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