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  • HUH?yeah but that is a lot of good data handed to me for free. Spoon fed is yumming. See your statement below

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    I think the issue is PROBABLY that the opposition magnets on the new machine are 3/4x 3/4 magnets, and the opposition on the old machine are the same diameter, but only 1/4" thick. I3/4" thick is probably just TOO much magnetic field close to the coils. That's why they are taking ALL the opposition magnets out of the NEW machine. Then we will try it with the 10 magnet rotor. If that is successful, we will also try it with the 20 magnet rotor. If that is successful, we will try it with the 24 magnet rotor we started with. If they ALL work, we just adjust the size of the opposition magnets. Sooner or later we will figure it out The old machine kicks ass with the new rotor mount, and new bearings, but the adjustment of the opposition magnets still suck. They could be replaced, and we will certainly do that because it will give us two working machines.
    So you got it right there, looped and 4 free sets of coil output, let's see 500 watts plus? Free energy at last. Cept she may bog some with more coils. I don't know about the rest but this is good.


    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    The only really good news for me is that the output from two coils ran the 120 V Pacific Scientific motor at over 2900 rpm unloaded.

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    • Originally posted by Turion View Post
      Re GENERATOR

      Here is the data they provided me this morning.
      Both coils wrapped with three strands of 1,000 feet of # 23
      Old coils 5.4 ohms resistance
      New Coils 7.1 ohms resistance??? This doesn't sound right to me, but that's what they said Since old coils and new coils were both wrapped with the same size of wire and length of wire, shouldn't the resistance be the same, even though the core material is different?

      The same two coils or "coil pair" were tested on both machines. These are the NEW coils
      Open voltage on old machine 302V
      138V under load across a 100 W light bulb

      New coil open voltage on new machine 170V
      74V under load across 100 W light bulb
      Thanks.
      Re. Generator
      ​​​​
      #23 AWG copper wire at 20°C has 20.36 Ohms per 1000ft. Three strands of 1000ft each in parallel gives 6.79 Ohms per coil. For DC measurements, shape of the wire form doesn't matter.

      Is the measured 7.1 Ohms for one coil?
      Is a coil pair two coils connected in series with each other, or parallel?
      Is the voltage measurement for the coil pair?
      Can we get the RPM at each voltage reading?
      Since it is actually the speed used in Faraday, can you get the BC radius of the magnets? # of magnets? And flux of each of the two magnets? Air gap distance for each machine?
      Both machines use N, S, N, S, .... magnetic pole orientation, right?
      A frequency measurement for each machine at a noted RPM? Once this f/RPM ratio is verified, we only need RPM from then on.
      What is the rated voltage for the 100, 200 & 300W bulbs?
      What is the measured current draw for each bulb at rated voltage, 60Hz? VA? Watts?
      Resistance changes with temperature. True for coils, and loads. One of those pistol IR thermometers would nice, for coils. For the bulbs, if you wait a short time at each test point, the filament temp should settle in. If a current measurement is taken real soon after the bulb is lit, reading could differ quite a bit from steady state. It's desirable to get stabilized data for repeatability sake.
      It is really nice, actually a requirement most places, to have data records dated and initialled (person & place). Without some basic 'housekeeping', chasing discrepancies later on becomes a nightmare or impossible.
      It's a good idea to check for grounds frequently. Take resistance between coil lead and core and/or frame. Should be megohms. Continuity checker on multimeter can suffice.
      bi

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      • Now that is the $50,000 dollar question, very good

        Originally posted by bistander View Post

        Thanks.
        Air gap distance for each machine?

        bi



        Originally posted by bistander View Post

        Thanks.
        Re. Generator
        ​​​​
        #23 AWG copper wire at 20°C has 20.36 Ohms per 1000ft. Three strands of 1000ft each in parallel gives 6.79 Ohms per coil. For DC measurements, shape of the wire form doesn't matter.

        Is the measured 7.1 Ohms for one coil?
        Dude there are 3 strands, go back and do the math, zhit i'll do it for ya brb come on bi

        Parallel resistance calculator https://www.omnicalculator.com/physi...allel-resistor

        7, 7 and 7 = 2.3 ohms

        Originally posted by bistander View Post


        What is the rated voltage for the 100, 200 & 300W bulbs?
        What is the measured current draw for each bulb at rated voltage, 60Hz? VA? Watts?

        Bi he has always targeted 120vac for the coil pair. He told us he does not have all the data. Go back and read

        Originally posted by bistander View Post

        Thanks.

        It's a good idea to check for grounds frequently. Take resistance between coil lead and core and/or frame. Should be megohms. Continuity checker on multimeter can suffice.
        bi
        Coils are set in plastic
        Last edited by BroMikey; 09-22-2022, 03:23 AM.

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        • Re: Generator data


          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          ​​​​
          #23 AWG copper wire at 20°C has 20.36 Ohms per 1000ft. Three strands of 1000ft each in parallel gives 6.79 Ohms per coil. For DC measurements, shape of the wire form doesn't matter.

          Is the measured 7.1 Ohms for one coil?
          For each coil independently

          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          Is a coil pair two coils connected in series with each other, or parallel?
          The Ends of the coil that have the same polarity magnet passing it are connected together.

          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          Is the voltage measurement for the coil pair?
          Voltage is for a coil pair, but individual voltage seems to be the same. Parallel coils, so same voltage.

          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          Can we get the RPM at each voltage reading?
          2840 rpm when all measurements were taken. On both machines, so there is a frequency difference here as one machine has 10 magnets (Black machine) and the other has 12 magnets

          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          Since it is actually the speed used in Faraday, can you get the BC radius of the magnets?
          I have no idea what BC radius is as opposed to radius. They are 1" diameter magnets, so the radius 1/2". but does BC radius have something to do with the flux field or some other issue?



          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          # of magnets?
          12 on one machine and 10 on the other.

          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          And flux of each of the two magnets?
          https://www.magnet4less.com/neodymiu...trong-cylinder Br Max 14800 gauss 115 lbs pull force

          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          Air gap distance for each machine?
          WILL HAVE TO FIND OUT

          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          Both machines use N, S, N, S, .... magnetic pole orientation, right?
          Correct

          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          A frequency measurement for each machine at a noted RPM? Once this f/RPM ratio is verified, we only need RPM from then on.
          Since there are 10 magnets on one rotor and it is turning at 2840 rpm I assumed the frequency was 2840 x 10 or 28,400 and the frequency of the other rotor was 2840 x 12 = 34,080. If it is something ELSE you are asking about, I have no idea what it is or how to measure it.

          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          What is the rated voltage for the 100, 200 & 300W bulbs?
          110V

          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          What is the measured current draw for each bulb at rated voltage, 60Hz? VA? Watts?
          WILL HAVE TO FIND OUT

          Originally posted by bistander View Post
          Resistance changes with temperature. True for coils, and loads. One of those pistol IR thermometers would nice, for coils. For the bulbs, if you wait a short time at each test point, the filament temp should settle in. If a current measurement is taken real soon after the bulb is lit, reading could differ quite a bit from steady state. It's desirable to get stabilized data for repeatability sake.
          It is really nice, actually a requirement most places, to have data records dated and initialled (person & place). Without some basic 'housekeeping', chasing discrepancies later on becomes a nightmare or impossible.
          It's a good idea to check for grounds frequently. Take resistance between coil lead and core and/or frame. Should be megohms. Continuity checker on multimeter can suffice.
          bi
          Got it. Will see if I can get them to collect the missing data. I may have to make a trip to the city, and right now that is impossible. My 87 year old mom drove herself to the emergency room last night and didn't call me until 2:30 AM, so am dealing with that and my crazy dog. Lots of sleepless nights, and no time during the day.
          Last edited by Turion; 09-22-2022, 08:44 AM.
          “Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.”
          —Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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          • To reach frequency we need to remember that rpm is a per minute and frequency is per second. So divide by 60. 2840x10=28,400 divided by 60= 473 cps (cycles per second) not (child protective service)

            hz is cps

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            • Re. Generator

              Turion,
              BC = Bolt Circle. Used on engineering drawings to specify the location of the centers of features in symmetrical circular patterns such as lug nuts on a wheel.

              As far as frequency vs RPM, there has been a factor of 2 between your (you & other guy) calculation and mine originating from use of # of poles vs # of pole pairs. I have requested a measured frequency from you several times to clarify this. Many multimeters display this data when reading AC voltage. Also available on a scope. Once clarified, RPM will suffice.

              60 Hz data on the bulbs is easily obtained using the killawatt meter. This is a needed base point. The impedance of the bulbs vary with frequency.

              As far as magnet flux, I was hoping you could measure with the gaussmeter. Do it the same way for each of the magnet types (size and material).

              Thanks.
              bi
              ps. Grounds and plastic bobbins. You'd be surprised at what can happen in places hidden from view. Doesn't hurt to take 5 seconds to check.

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              • Re: GENERATOR

                Originally posted by bistander View Post
                Re. Generator

                60 Hz data on the bulbs is easily obtained using the killawatt meter. This is a needed base point. The impedance of the bulbs vary with frequency.
                I thought you were asking for amp draw of the bulb while connected to the generator. If you want it while connected to the wall, I can definitely do that with a killowatt meter. Or they can. They have one.

                There is an inch of plastic around all of the coils' They sit in a hole drilled through solid plastic of the stator. So no "hidden" connections possible, but I will have them check anyway.

                I can't get a gauss measurement, since they are 90 minutes away, and they do not have a gauss meter. I have one, but I have been unimpressed with the gauss measurements I have taken in the past. It seems I never get close to the same reading twice in a row.

                Regarding frequency. You asked before for the distance between the center of the rotor and the center of the magnet. I gave you that information. Now you ask for the same information in a different way "BC radius." It is still 4 1/4" The guys do not have a scope or a meter that will give me the frequency. I have no way, until I travel to Sacramento, of getting any other data. They don't have the meters or a scope.
                Last edited by Turion; 09-23-2022, 12:56 AM.
                “Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.”
                —Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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                • Try a gaussmeter app for smart phone.
                  bi

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