None Electrolytic Splitting Of H2o

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Alex,
Did you get your heating unit up and running?

For the E-beam is this the unit that uses radio frequencies or is it something else?

Chris

E-beam or MNE-beam and MNSE-beam are a new slant on an old system, go here to read more on this

http://www.centraflow.yolasite.com/

This is my web site which I will keep up to date as and when I can, I have a lot of problems at the moment and things can be very slow.

If you look up Sabatier you will see that that part is very old, but I have found a way to bring this tech: into the 21st century and over ten times more effective, so effective that it has as good as 100% convertion rate at low input power by using a novel way of two dielectric barrier discharges to a common anode.

These discharges are at two different frequencies "part of my old system", so what we have is a very high energy none thermal discharge at a blanket rate giving off heat and ultra violet radiation along with a broad band vibration from the RF developed inside the reactor. This DBD is unique and has not been done before as DBD, even though it has been around for some years now, is still in an area of finding what it can be used for, "your TV is one and material molecular manipulation in manufacturing is another and the oldest is the making of high volume O3 ozone for water purification is another".

Look these things up and you will see where I have come from to develope this system, it is molecular manipulation, moving electrons into different orbits so as bonds are broken and new bonds made by using directive catalysts such as nickel in the sabatier reactor.

The RF comes from the frequencies used for the high voltage discharges, and as so the circuit for driving this is very simple apart from adjusting the phase between each discharge. No elaborate RF circuits are required any more, you could say that the RF is similar to the original spark gap transmitter, but in this case it is a none thermal spark gap, it still produces heat, but it will not ignite any combustable gas.

This system will produce more energy than is consummed but does not break ANY LAWS, the excess energy comes from chemical change. It is so simple that I think that it has just been overlooked.

One thing now is that this system can now never be patented as I have placed this in the open, it now has a prior art and so not patentable.

The basic design of this system is for energy storage to be used as and when required "gas tanks" and not an instant production use system, it maybe that it could be used as such one day, but I think a home production unit is more interesting where it can be used for many things all from one plant.

The energy required could come from solar or wind power and as so make it very cheap.

Mike

[superman9976]

HI Raymundo,
Today with Mike I have reached an agreement for build the E-BEAM reactor. I can tell you that at this time isn't considered an opensource/public design. As Mike wrote are needed years of studies for obtain an working prototype. Mike at this time have some family problems and can't build the reactor but I help him to continued and finish that project. I hope that in max one month I can build and present Mike E-BEAM reactor. For commecial policy of E-BEAM reactor please contact Mike directly. Regards Alex

Alex,
Did you get your heating unit up and running?

For the E-beam is this the unit that uses radio frequencies or is it something else?

Chris

[superman9976]

I have not as of yet gone down a commercial route, not that I have not had offers, the problem is THEY ARE ALL SHARKS. Seems they all want it on a plate and pay, maybe, only when they have the whole system in their money dirty hands. It is like a game for them, they don't really need the money, they already have enough, they just find f*****g people is their way of life. The rich are getting richer, the ones in the middle are becoming poor and the poor are being killed off because they can't live on what is left.

I have risked the money to invent this and there is still needed a further investment to make it a production item, they don't even want to invest that money either. What these people do is NOT PUT ANY MONEY OF THEIRS INTO ANYTHING, JUST MAKE THE POOR PAY AND THEY REAP THE REWARDS WITH NO RISK OR INVESTMENT, that is how they get very rich doing nothing, it is all in papers for them.

If I was to make a DVD and sell that, I would sell a few which would not even cover the cost of making it in the first place, and within 6 months a million people would have that video for NOTHING, it is very nieve to think you can make money out of selling a DVD of how to do this.

I could go on and on about all this but this is not the place, at the moment, I am keeping this for my family only unless things change for the better.

Mike

You know Mike if you would gimme a way to invest I would invest as I said before paypal screwed me over so I wont go that route. Is there another way? In my research group now I order things and have them sent directly to the guy who needs it. I have had the anodes and cathodes made up so now the people who are working on the VIC can run their tests on the actual material and size meyer used. This is my contribution to the team effort. After tests and experiments pan out I will get my drawings turned into the real eleven cell unit meyer had. I have met you and you were bold enough to bring your ideas out so I wouldn't mind working with you.

I would love to have you work with us at rwgresearch and help out. Your device is different from what we are doing but I'm sure you know enough about what we are trying to do. I am not doing this for money. I have no intention of becoming rich. I only want to level the playing field and make the future brighter for all. Now I see transportation costs skyrocket in turn raising food prices, running a business, ....

We need to work together to make it right again

Chris

I can give you links to projects we need help with. I will post em at a later date.

[tutanka]

Hi Alex,

What I do not understand is that you and Michael have working prototypes of the E-Beam.

Michael choose to develop this commercially.
What are your ideas with the E-beam?

This E-Beam reads like it makes all Hydrogen en HHO based catalysers seem like old generation.

If it is so, the reason why there is no progress in this thread really baffles me.
No vids, pics sharing of detailled information etc....

If you made a DVD with instructions how to make a prototype, I would play gladly for it.

Let it get analysed by Panacea Open University and protect yourself and your Open Source/public domain design through them.

It is worth much more than your personal finances and will surely be returned to you in some way.

Just a thought,
Raymundo

HI Raymundo,
Today with Mike I have reached an agreement for build the E-BEAM reactor. I can tell you that at this time isn't considered an opensource/public design. As Mike wrote are needed years of studies for obtain an working prototype. Mike at this time have some family problems and can't build the reactor but I help him to continued and finish that project. I hope that in max one month I can build and present Mike E-BEAM reactor. For commecial policy of E-BEAM reactor please contact Mike directly. Regards Alex

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi Alex,

What I do not understand is that you and Michael have working prototypes of the E-Beam.

Michael choose to develop this commercially.
What are your ideas with the E-beam?

This E-Beam reads like it makes all Hydrogen en HHO based catalysers seem like old generation.

If it is so, the reason why there is no progress in this thread really baffles me.
No vids, pics sharing of detailled information etc....

If you made a DVD with instructions how to make a prototype, I would play gladly for it.

Let it get analysed by Panacea Open University and protect yourself and your Open Source/public domain design through them.

It is worth much more than your personal finances and will surely be returned to you in some way.

Just a thought,
Raymundo

I have not as of yet gone down a commercial route, not that I have not had offers, the problem is THEY ARE ALL SHARKS. Seems they all want it on a plate and pay, maybe, only when they have the whole system in their money dirty hands. It is like a game for them, they don't really need the money, they already have enough, they just find f*****g people is their way of life. The rich are getting richer, the ones in the middle are becoming poor and the poor are being killed off because they can't live on what is left.

I have risked the money to invent this and there is still needed a further investment to make it a production item, they don't even want to invest that money either. What these people do is NOT PUT ANY MONEY OF THEIRS INTO ANYTHING, JUST MAKE THE POOR PAY AND THEY REAP THE REWARDS WITH NO RISK OR INVESTMENT, that is how they get very rich doing nothing, it is all in papers for them.

If I was to make a DVD and sell that, I would sell a few which would not even cover the cost of making it in the first place, and within 6 months a million people would have that video for NOTHING, it is very nieve to think you can make money out of selling a DVD of how to do this.

I could go on and on about all this but this is not the place, at the moment, I am keeping this for my family only unless things change for the better.

Mike

[Majestic81]

No, Im just an italian Alex. Yes I refer to the simple meyer circuit.

Hi Alex,

What I do not understand is that you and Michael have working prototypes of the E-Beam.

Michael choose to develop this commercially.
What are your ideas with the E-beam?

This E-Beam reads like it makes all Hydrogen en HHO based catalysers seem like old generation.

If it is so, the reason why there is no progress in this thread really baffles me.
No vids, pics sharing of detailled information etc....

If you made a DVD with instructions how to make a prototype, I would play gladly for it.

Let it get analysed by Panacea Open University and protect yourself and your Open Source/public domain design through them.

It is worth much more than your personal finances and will surely be returned to you in some way.

Just a thought,
Raymundo

[tutanka]

Are you the alex thats working or has talked to Russ already? If you are I did not realize that but I should ask and get that question out of the way. I saw Alex's website with all the different wavelengths some references to walter russell.

I am wondering what you are refering to when you say simple meyer circuit? These are the photos of the VIC and the 5 coils setup from Stan's estate. I thought it would be good to try and work with this design.

Thanks,
Chris

No, Im just an italian Alex. Yes I refer to the simple meyer circuit.

[superman9976]

Are you the alex thats working or has talked to Russ already? If you are I did not realize that but I should ask and get that question out of the way. I saw Alex's website with all the different wavelengths some references to walter russell.

I am wondering what you are refering to when you say simple meyer circuit? These are the photos of the VIC and the 5 coils setup from Stan's estate. I thought it would be good to try and work with this design.

Thanks,
Chris

[tutanka]

gas processor..

Gas processor don't use corona discharge inside and just one wavelength in purple spectre is ok. Using corona discharge you obtain only some oxides .

[tutanka]

Here are some of the pictures of the models I made. The cathodes and anodes go together and fit inside the eleven holes on the base. The tube caps hold the spacing of the cathodes and anodes in the top of the holes. This is the cell that meyer was using from his estate photos. I thought it would be good to try and achieve the same readings to test performance and establish a baseline. I have the rest of the cell drawn up in 3D but I did not make all the 2d drawings with dimensions yet. I am refering to the second base that fits over this base I posted. A top piece. Then there's a main tube that connects the top and base together. Do you want to see every piece?

As far as electronics we want to take the VIC and use the five coil setup with bobbins and ferrite u cores. We have someone who can program a microcontroller to actively scan the cell for resonance between the ranges 1hz to 10khz. I think once the sweet spot is found the scanning range will be reduced to a tighter range. Is this sweet spot related to a corona discharge as well? This will ionize the water molecule?

Thanks
Chris

Thanks for share your work, is an good design. When cell is builded after you need the electronic for produce water gas. I suggest you to use an simple meyer circuit that use unipolar pulse in association with SCR diode. As I have written previoulsy is needed also the gas processor for obtain the thermal energy necessary to you. In general the other problem of gas (all types) is that are dry and needed lubrification (hydrocarbon) for valves, rings,etc.. , in LPG car for solve that problem an lower part of gasoline is mixed to LPG when engine run. This aspect is very important also if you want use water gas inside your car. Personally I use an modified dry cell with an special electrolyte that produce an lubrificant gas mixture in association with the gas processor.

[superman9976]

Here are some of the pictures of the models I made. The cathodes and anodes go together and fit inside the eleven holes on the base. The tube caps hold the spacing of the cathodes and anodes in the top of the holes. This is the cell that meyer was using from his estate photos. I thought it would be good to try and achieve the same readings to test performance and establish a baseline. I have the rest of the cell drawn up in 3D but I did not make all the 2d drawings with dimensions yet. I am refering to the second base that fits over this base I posted. A top piece. Then there's a main tube that connects the top and base together. Do you want to see every piece?

As far as electronics we want to take the VIC and use the five coil setup with bobbins and ferrite u cores. We have someone who can program a microcontroller to actively scan the cell for resonance between the ranges 1hz to 10khz. I think once the sweet spot is found the scanning range will be reduced to a tighter range. Is this sweet spot related to a corona discharge as well? This will ionize the water molecule?

Thanks
Chris

[tutanka]

Alex,
As far as the gas processor how important is the corona discharge (the point at which the voltage is about to arc or jump a spark across the gap)? This is a method of how the gas can be ionized correct? What are the best wavelengths of light you have found to work best for your LEDs? Since you said you had an improved gas processor.

The cell I have drawn up is the one that stan had the eleven cell unit. I drew it up in solidworks and posted files on the RWGresearch site. I want to run some tests though with the cathode and anode 3/4" tube and 1/2" rod before going ahead and purchasing the Derlin or acetal to make the 11 cell unit. Have you run tests with the same tube and rod in your experiments?

You say that stan doesn't say much in how his stuff works and your right. I looked through all those docs in the past too. But did you see the component layouts on his circuit boards? The VIC and the GMS? This is the 1.2 gig file I am refering too on that site.

Did you ever wind an EPG? We got enough money together to build one as you can see on the site but have yet to finish the details. I donated some ferrofluid to try out. Otherwise we are supposed to ionize and magnetize a gas to push through it. We are planning on using a particle accelerator pulsing coils in the middle to move the gas or ferrofluid through the EPG.

Chris

Gas processor is the main component of Meyer system without that you can't obtain the right reaction, isn't the normal ionizer that you have in mind but in fact is an plasma reactor. About your cell please post design and only after I can reply to you. On internet are present GB of docs on Meyer but, believe in me, to the end the process is very simple and I don't understand why at today no one has replicated with success.
About EPG .. I suggest you to understand first how Meyer water system work and only after proceed to work on EPG. Regards

[superman9976]

Alex,
As far as the gas processor how important is the corona discharge (the point at which the voltage is about to arc or jump a spark across the gap)? This is a method of how the gas can be ionized correct? What are the best wavelengths of light you have found to work best for your LEDs? Since you said you had an improved gas processor.

The cell I have drawn up is the one that stan had the eleven cell unit. I drew it up in solidworks and posted files on the RWGresearch site. I want to run some tests though with the cathode and anode 3/4" tube and 1/2" rod before going ahead and purchasing the Derlin or acetal to make the 11 cell unit. Have you run tests with the same tube and rod in your experiments?

You say that stan doesn't say much in how his stuff works and your right. I looked through all those docs in the past too. But did you see the component layouts on his circuit boards? The VIC and the GMS? This is the 1.2 gig file I am refering too on that site.

Did you ever wind an EPG? We got enough money together to build one as you can see on the site but have yet to finish the details. I donated some ferrofluid to try out. Otherwise we are supposed to ionize and magnetize a gas to push through it. We are planning on using a particle accelerator pulsing coils in the middle to move the gas or ferrofluid through the EPG.

Chris

[tutanka]

Alex,

Thanks for showing us some of your work! I am not focused on the injector too much right now but I would love to see the process happen. All this talk and theories and its good to discuss but now's the time to get hands on start building and see what works and what don't.

If you looked at the 1.2 gig file you will see a very big assortment of circuit board pics, data, dimensions,... This all came from the time dynodon was trying to get donations and figure it out but I heard that all the meyer estate was sold out from underneath him.

I know you said you saw all this in person Mike but I am hoping everyone else will take a good look at these documents and photos. If you happen to have anytime contact Russ. I started telling him about what your doing already.

Meyer use some circuits and components because surely don't have clear what process happen. In some meyer docs I have found some referiments to others inventions. Stan in fact have mixed some informations inside the water system but to the end have found (casually) right way.
With Mike we have started to work on plasma reactors for the creation of new molecules like NH3 and N2O but after few test to the university I have see clearly that you don't need complicate system but with an lower amount of brown gas you obtain the same result.

[superman9976]

Alex,

Thanks for showing us some of your work! I am not focused on the injector too much right now but I would love to see the process happen. All this talk and theories and its good to discuss but now's the time to get hands on start building and see what works and what don't.

If you looked at the 1.2 gig file you will see a very big assortment of circuit board pics, data, dimensions,... This all came from the time dynodon was trying to get donations and figure it out but I heard that all the meyer estate was sold out from underneath him.

I know you said you saw all this in person Mike but I am hoping everyone else will take a good look at these documents and photos. If you happen to have anytime contact Russ. I started telling him about what your doing already.