None Electrolytic Splitting Of H2o

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi guys, since Mike is pretty busy and may not answer right away let me see if I can help. If we use a primary frequency of 120 Mhz then the secondary freq is only 720 Mhz. This is in the upper UHF range not microwave range. There is no need to use microwave frequencies. As I understand from talking to Mike at the conference we do not want to totally break the H and O bond. We only want to weaken it so the H will combine with the N to create ammonia. Microwaves would put so much energy into our water vapor HHO would be produced. The HHO would then almost certainly recombine with possibly dangerous results as the previous poster stated. I agree there is nothing particularly dangerous about microwave ovens. They are just not what we need for this project. Hope this helps a little.

Carroll

Thanks Carroll

You are right that micro wave ovens are safe because they are shielded and people should not be affraid to use one, but used out of context they can be leathal.

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

micro waves

Hey Harvey.I have repaired microwave ovens for over 20 years. And i am still as stupid as I was 20 years ago. Harmless. At least 90% of consumers
own a microwave oven. Its not something to be afraid off. Why do microwaves scare the hell out off some countries?

Well micro waves ARE dangerous, the level of danger depends on the power of that micro wave.

Let me give you an example of the power of RF, I used to run UHF 440mhz at 100w and if by accident you stood in front of my Yagi antenna when I was transmitting you would certainly know about it, and after 24hrs even more, spots on your skin, hair loss, sensation of wanting a P**s just to name a few and that is only 100w at 440mhz, now what would happen at 800w at 2.4Ghz.

Needless to say my antennas were high up out of halms way, and what is describe here in this thread is shielded as is a micro wave oven, apart from which when the frequency production reaches MW the power is very low "but still reacts" in a confined space. Mobile phones use wayup frequencies of Ghz at "micro" watts, but are becoming a big concern, and rightly so, how many people suffer megrain type problems when using a mobile phone all day long?

Don't let people think it is safe and that nothing will happen, be responsible, if not then that is being STUPID and will cause injury to someone whom is going to copy you.

Radiation can be a killer if not controlled

Mike

[citfta]

Microwaves

Hi guys, since Mike is pretty busy and may not answer right away let me see if I can help. If we use a primary frequency of 120 Mhz then the secondary freq is only 720 Mhz. This is in the upper UHF range not microwave range. There is no need to use microwave frequencies. As I understand from talking to Mike at the conference we do not want to totally break the H and O bond. We only want to weaken it so the H will combine with the N to create ammonia. Microwaves would put so much energy into our water vapor HHO would be produced. The HHO would then almost certainly recombine with possibly dangerous results as the previous poster stated. I agree there is nothing particularly dangerous about microwave ovens. They are just not what we need for this project. Hope this helps a little.

Carroll

[Vickers]

If we cannot use microwave then we are forced to have a primary frequency of less than 50 MHz. This limits us to a 20 MHz spread if we are to use VHF only because that spectrum starts at 30 MHz. I thought I saw something that showed the primary was VHF and the secondary was UHF, but maybe it was that other guys patent

Or should we be operating in the Medium Frequency bands? Is there a preferred frequency that is known to be safe?

Hey Harvey.I have repaired microwave ovens for over 20 years. And i am still as stupid as I was 20 years ago. Harmless. At least 90% of consumers
own a microwave oven. Its not something to be afraid off. Why do microwaves scare the hell out off some countries?

[vrand]

Thank you as always.

A full running system should be finished toward the end of january and until then I am afraid I will be keeping a low profile. Work is continuing at a very fast rate in the background by a small group.

If all goes well then this will all go public, please be patient.

Mike

Thank you for sharing your design, it sounds interesting, keep up the good work!

Cheers,
Mike

[Harvey]

@ All

I really do not want to be held responsable for any injury or death, please do not use microwave frequencies, you will always get an explosion.

The breaking of the water molecule when it is vapour size is very very rapid "instant" you might say. The idea is not to make HHO, "very dangerous", it is to make another gas using the properties that are created in this process.YouTube - Sonarluminescence- is this nuclear fusion? Please look at this video that was posted by another on this forum, it will give you an IDEA as to the power of using frequencies.

Mike

If we cannot use microwave then we are forced to have a primary frequency of less than 50 MHz. This limits us to a 20 MHz spread if we are to use VHF only because that spectrum starts at 30 MHz. I thought I saw something that showed the primary was VHF and the secondary was UHF, but maybe it was that other guys patent

Or should we be operating in the Medium Frequency bands? Is there a preferred frequency that is known to be safe?

[Aaron]

@All

@All,

Mike mentioned it but should go without saying that all these experiments
are AT YOUR OWN RISK. Be careful please. Energetic Forum is not responsible
for providing the content - it is up to you what you do with it.

Just a reminder - anything that anyone does with any info in this forum...
the experimenter takes 100% full responsibility for their own actions.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Responsability

@ All

I really do not want to be held responsable for any injury or death, please do not use microwave frequencies, you will always get an explosion.

The breaking of the water molecule when it is vapour size is very very rapid "instant" you might say. The idea is not to make HHO, "very dangerous", it is to make another gas using the properties that are created in this process.YouTube - Sonarluminescence- is this nuclear fusion? Please look at this video that was posted by another on this forum, it will give you an IDEA as to the power of using frequencies.

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Good thread Mike. I have been experimenting with this using common household microwave antennas. Shielded of course. Found that standard freq provides the vapor or steam and a secondary triple freq provides the spilt. If only for 30 seconds. The secondary breaks. Not sure why yet. But yeah...we get separation. I know this because when it breaks, the thing blows apart like a bomb. Something gets cooked and creates a spark igniting the goodies. Fairly sure if I microsize or scale it down to a micronic level I might get some reliability. Might be as easy as regulating the power to vapor ratio ? That makes sense doesn't it? Vapor is generally rather small.
I mean even on a cold day spilled water will evaporate.

You have just proved proof of concept but in a dagerous way, you could have killed yourself. I have warned all that this is a very rapid reaction, especially if you use the frequency split I gave.

Harvey you are right, with the nitrogen blocks the hydrogen "hydrogenation of nitrogen", but using a microwave I don't think it would have avoided an explosion, you have to use low energy at THIS point.

Mike

[Harvey]

I think that's why you need the free nitrogen, so it will bond with the hydrogen and halt the exothermic combustion thereby storing the energy in the ammonia. I could be wrong, but I think it is necessary for a stable process.

[Vickers]

Good thread Mike. I have been experimenting with this using common household microwave antennas. Shielded of course. Found that standard freq provides the vapor or steam and a secondary triple freq provides the spilt. If only for 30 seconds. The secondary breaks. Not sure why yet. But yeah...we get separation. I know this because when it breaks, the thing blows apart like a bomb. Something gets cooked and creates a spark igniting the goodies. Fairly sure if I microsize or scale it down to a micronic level I might get some reliability. Might be as easy as regulating the power to vapor ratio ? That makes sense doesn't it? Vapor is generally rather small.
I mean even on a cold day spilled water will evaporate.

[superman9976]

A full running system should be finished toward the end of january and until then I am afraid I will be keeping a low profile. Work is continuing at a very fast rate in the background by a small group.

If all goes well then this will all go public, please be patient.

Mike[/QUOTE]

I will respect that last message and will continue to read up on the books I have found. The arrl handbook seems to be an excellent source for understanding rf circuits. Hope to hear from you next year.
Happy holidays to you and your family!
Chris

[Slovenia]

Your Welcome

You are very welcome. Thank you for sharing all your hard work. We are very excited about your project.

Thank you as always.

A full running system should be finished toward the end of january and until then I am afraid I will be keeping a low profile. Work is continuing at a very fast rate in the background by a small group.

If all goes well then this will all go public, please be patient.

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Thanks

The most recent updated pdf file has been uploaded to page 3 if you want it.

Thank you as always.

A full running system should be finished toward the end of january and until then I am afraid I will be keeping a low profile. Work is continuing at a very fast rate in the background by a small group.

If all goes well then this will all go public, please be patient.

Mike

[Slovenia]

Updated PDF File for This Thread

The most recent updated pdf file has been uploaded to page 3 if you want it.