None Electrolytic Splitting Of H2o

[tutanka]

Now back at home

Let me say again the meyer injector did not work as is, it never did as it had a design fault. The idea is sound, but I am not sure that high revolution can be obtained as the process may not be quick enough unless higher input power is used.

Alex the idea of a heater is good, I saw Stans which was a water heater for central heating, not sure what the Btu or Kcal of it would be though. The electronics as usual for him were complicated and designed by Steve, as all the electronics were.

Mike

HI Mike,
I don't know if meyer injector work or not, I know for sure that ionized water gas mixture work as aspected producing thermal energy without special reactors.
Here some images of my water gas stone stove in building.. in hope to the end of that week I present finished product..

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[vrand]

Now back at home

Let me say again the meyer injector did not work as is, it never did as it had a design fault. The idea is sound, but I am not sure that high revolution can be obtained as the process may not be quick enough unless higher input power is used.

Alex the idea of a heater is good, I saw Stans which was a water heater for central heating, not sure what the Btu or Kcal of it would be though. The electronics as usual for him were complicated and designed by Steve, as all the electronics were.

Mike

Good to hear that you made it back home Mike.

Looking forward to reading more of your interesting Electrolytic Splitting of H2O energy work and the experimental progress. There is a lot to learn from water.

Cheers Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Stan Meyer to the end is simple to understand, him use air ionization and water fuel for obtain thermal energy. Stan use electric field and photons for obtain ionization but there are some other methods for obtain the same result. In the next days I present the first, made in italy, water gas stone stove that use meyer process including newest gas processor.
The images attached are extracted from Meyer page ..

Now back at home

Let me say again the meyer injector did not work as is, it never did as it had a design fault. The idea is sound, but I am not sure that high revolution can be obtained as the process may not be quick enough unless higher input power is used.

Alex the idea of a heater is good, I saw Stans which was a water heater for central heating, not sure what the Btu or Kcal of it would be though. The electronics as usual for him were complicated and designed by Steve, as all the electronics were.

Mike

[tutanka]

Stan Meyer to the end is simple to understand, him use air ionization and water fuel for obtain thermal energy. Stan use electric field and photons for obtain ionization but there are some other methods for obtain the same result. In the next days I present the first, made in italy, water gas stone stove that use meyer process including newest gas processor.
The images attached are extracted from Meyer page ..

what i would sugest is

first make a research of water molecule , especialy electron configuration in diffrent excitements states, something like this Molecular orbitals for water (H2O)
water molecule is tricky because it changes electron configuration with excitement state

remeber his work was based on puharich work espacenet - Original document

and he studied the water molecule very well ,check patent

second dont try to decode stans papers because this guy was obsesed that someone would steal his invention thats why his patents will mislled!!

chockes may work as temporary current limitor but voltage goes thru to "set" molecule in wanted state then chocke discharge may do its work "deleyed current"

3 dimension cell is a must, because water molecule electrons orbits are 3d so to stimulate them you have to have 3d cell

and at last dont go blinde
first theory then experiment to test theory

[wojwrobel]

what i would sugest is

first make a research of water molecule , especialy electron configuration in diffrent excitements states, something like this Molecular orbitals for water (H2O)
water molecule is tricky because it changes electron configuration with excitement state

remeber his work was based on puharich work espacenet - Original document

and he studied the water molecule very well ,check patent

second dont try to decode stans papers because this guy was obsesed that someone would steal his invention thats why his patents will mislled!!

chockes may work as temporary current limitor but voltage goes thru to "set" molecule in wanted state then chocke discharge may do its work "deleyed current"

3 dimension cell is a must, because water molecule electrons orbits are 3d so to stimulate them you have to have 3d cell

and at last dont go blinde
first theory then experiment to test theory

[superman9976]

Do you guys have all the original estate photos, schematics ....from dynodon

They are available free from RWGResearch.com its a 1.2 gig file.

There's pictures of the coil arrangements.

If you guys wanna help get involved, I already am, now's the time. The more people come together on this the faster it will become reality.

So stan used a five coil arrangement primary secondary a pick up coil and two chokes coils.

So far I think its high voltage (1000 volts) dc pulsed back and forth between the two chokes up to 10khz. I thought between the two chokes one would become negative and the other positive. We shall see though our work is ongoing. I am working on the cells, someone else is doing electronics, that sort of thing... team effort

I hope you get better soon Mike and you should join our group. Remain anonymous if you wish.

Chris

[FRC]

Get well John

Hope you will be doing better soon. Thanks for posting. I along with probably
other members was wondering why you had not posted lately on your other thread. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

George

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Longing to go home

HI this is my 6th day in hospital and i am longing to go home. It is difficult to post with my smart phone so i will reply with updates when i get out of here.

Mike

[wojwrobel]

guys if you want to uderstand meyer, just read first few pages of his paper

and its clear that in thease pages he shows how to calculate phase delay of circiut !! XL and XC and Z ofcourse

now compare it to thane heins work and you can clearly see that all he is doing is pulsing transformer with high frequency to achive high phase delay bettween primary and secondary so his primary dont see load on secondary !!

this way he can make electrolysis on secondary but power consumption on primary is P x cos(phi) so if cos(phi) close to 90 degrease which is almost zero than P on primary is nearly zero + loses

cheers from poland
wojsciech

[Jeff Pearson]

Stanley Meyer was refering to Capacitive resonance..also..the copy of the patent I read included O-scope pictures....He was not using RF... it was pulsed DC ... so once you got your RF frequency..it needs to be rectified to pulsed DC...I thinks the amplifier could just be a simple transformer

[ZeroMassInertia]

Update on Muliplaz welder

The principles used in the welder are outlined in patent # 6,087,616 the process comes from Russian Federation inventers the welder is made in China.
A patent # 1,892,325 from 1932 also outlines a similar process.
A water filled nozzle with a center electrode produces an arc which decomposes the water into its composition gases. The gases leave the nozzle and ignite, when welding the burning gases enter a second arc zone that super heats the flame and produces a weld puddle.
Hydrogen has been used as a shielding gas before, some claim hydrogen embrittlement of the weld. Oxygen on the other hand should be avoided in the weld puddle .The shielding gases being generated from decomposition of water places the gases in a stoichiometric ratio. This may account for weld quality.
Wishing all forum members and their families a happy ,healthy and enlightened new year.

[ZeroMassInertia]

The welding of metals seems to have used methods that have introduced unique new ideas.
The atomic hydrogen torch with its dissociation of diatomic to atomic hydrogen may have tapped into the zero point.
This is a link to a new Multiplaz Welder it is unique in that it uses water and alcohol in the welding process
If anyone has any information on this process please explain.


Multiplaz. Welding, Cutting, Soldering, Brazing...

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Thanks Mike!! Easy for you maybe but not for many of the rest of us. Thanks for all you have shared!!! You are a great man.

Well the NH3 route is complicated in recombining the activated gases into what you want, if you don't get it right then you create a lot of NOX gases as well, of which a small amount will happen anyway, but the trick is to keep that down.

CH4 is not simple either, but it is easier to control, your catalyst is electrons and the doping of the water. Laser, plasma or what ever you want to call it, I call it an electron high velocity beam "which covers a multitude of sins", RF is involved as you can't get away from it, but on a lower frequency which is easier to create.

The RF helps to vibrate the molecules to form atomic species, the electrons donate to create chemical reactions, the rest is manipulation to create the correct final bonds, membrane separation cleans the gas you want, easy really

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi Mike,

I just saw your post about providing a method for making CH4 & O2 in the future. I for one am very interested in this aspect. I have a thread where we are actively engaged in trying to find an easy way to utilize our hydrogen gas as a fuel and I too believe CH4 is the proper way to go but don't have any real great info in that area. I was studying the NH3 route, but it is somewhat complicated for sure. Thanks. You have done a great job and are very much appreciated by many on this forum!!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Well the NH3 route is complicated in recombining the activated gases into what you want, if you don't get it right then you create a lot of NOX gases as well, of which a small amount will happen anyway, but the trick is to keep that down.

CH4 is not simple either, but it is easier to control, your catalyst is electrons and the doping of the water. Laser, plasma or what ever you want to call it, I call it an electron high velocity beam "which covers a multitude of sins", RF is involved as you can't get away from it, but on a lower frequency which is easier to create.

The RF helps to vibrate the molecules to form atomic species, the electrons donate to create chemical reactions, the rest is manipulation to create the correct final bonds, membrane separation cleans the gas you want, easy really

Mike

[Slovenia]

Methane Query

Hi Mike,

I just saw your post about providing a method for making CH4 & O2 in the future. I for one am very interested in this aspect. I have a thread where we are actively engaged in trying to find an easy way to utilize our hydrogen gas as a fuel and I too believe CH4 is the proper way to go but don't have any real great info in that area. I was studying the NH3 route, but it is somewhat complicated for sure. Thanks. You have done a great job and are very much appreciated by many on this forum!!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Hi All

For those that are interested, there are other gases that can be made using this system of which one is methane "natural gas" which can be made from CO2 and H2O to give CH4 and O2. This is easier than making ammonia and details will be forthcoming in the future.

Mike