None Electrolytic Splitting Of H2o

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Thanks, you are doing a great job

Mike

Thanks Mike. I'm glad to help.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

The most recent updated pdf file has been uploaded to page 3 if you want it.

Thanks, you are doing a great job

Mike

[Slovenia]

Updated PDF File of This Thread

The most recent updated pdf file has been uploaded to page 3 if you want it.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Just to get things right

Another point is that as such we do not create atomic nitrogen, it is vibrationally excited nitrogen, the molecular structure as I SEE IT is elongated to the point of breaking, this is when it is at its most vunerable and the atomic H and O then do their job of splitting it and joining with it before the H and O can turn to H2 and O2.

I hope I have explained this for those that do not see what is happening.

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Surely not NH3 and N2O. You need a lot of energy for conversion of molecular nitrogen into atomic, I think Mike have explain that in US meeting..

Alex is right on the Ph7 of water, the best water to use is distilled water.

Now to get the right Ph the system uses vapour, if you pass hot N2 through water you will create steam Ph7 but as Aaron said some of the N2 will be absorbed by the water "not steam", and it will move toward acidic and that is why we put salt in the water to maintain as close to a Ph7 as possible (method in the madness), this is how we can maintain as close to perfect Ph at the point of vibration.

I did not have time to explain the WHOLE chemical process, hopefully at a forthcoming conference I can explain without interuptions all that is involved and what actually takes place with slides etc and a lab style example.

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Gary

Do not connect the voltage/ power controller as shown in the schematic for that power amp of Motorola. You have to use a Voltage control chip LM317 and RF decoupling of a choke and two caps, one 100mf electrolytic and the other 100nf ceramic, the choke anything from 10mH to 100mH.

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi Gary

I will try to answer your questions

1 The PCB is bouble sided and the ground plain is the bottom but also the parts not used on the top side, try looking up PCB design for RF on the net

2 If you are using Two VCO's then I suggest you use two PCB's, if only one VCO and a trippler and doubler for the other frequency then you could use one board with decoupling on the power lines etc.

3 yes

4 top of PCB and linked with various holes through the board to the ground plane

5 Yes 50 ohm coax if you have VCO and amp as N or BNC etc type connectors. If you have surface PCB mounting then the connections would have to be 50 ohm stripline on the PCB.

6 Look at 5, ref 50 ohm strip line

7 I have not had time to look at the data sheet

8 Yes choke and capacitor RF decoupling on the positive side

9 Coax at wave lengths is normal practice but if you have a good VSWR then there should be no radiation from the coax, it can be as short as you like.

10 Wideband SWR meter

11 Does not matter the length as said before.

12 You should keep the output the same on both frequencies eg. 10w + 10w


Mike

[Get123OnWithIt]

[Aaron]

nh3 and high power

Surely not NH3 and N2O. You need a lot of energy for conversion of molecular nitrogen into atomic, I think Mike have explain that in US meeting..

Normally, yes, but all the old references going back 200 years, Nh3 is
produced even with low power. Small amounts but shows that it is possible.

Even in the Anthony cell water engine claim at overunity.com, someone
said they smelled ammonia and I don't think they had high power. I also don't
think anyone ever replicated their claims.

[seselaa]

Chemalloy

Has anyone tried chemalloy?.

provide the metallic ingredients:


Pounds
Yellow brass (30% zinc and 70% copper)---------------- 8
Aluminum -------------------------------------------- 8
40-60 solder (40% tin 60% lead) --------------------- 1.5
Silver (.1%) or -------------------------------------- .1
Nickel (.1%) --------------------------------------- .1
Zinc, to make up a 100 pound batch or -------------- 82.3
-----------
100.0
The chemical ingredients are next prepared in approximately the following proportions, for a 100 pound batch of the above metal ingredients:

Powdered copper slag ---------------pounds--------- 3.0
Yellow sulphur ----------------------do------------ 1.25
Willow charcoal ---------------------do------------ 0.75
Commercial muriatic acid ----------gallons--------- 0.50

Chemalloy powderized to about 1,000,000 particles per pound exhibits the same elecritical properties (Fig. 2) as the solid rod. Here it generates slightly more than .5 volt, and in addition decomposes the water, liberating hydrogen.

[tutanka]

I think both yes and no.

Yes, people made up that term because they didn't know what it was
and I think it is nh3 and n2o and other molecules.

However, I have found many references in published papers naming a
molecule nitrogen hydroxide and I posted this in the ionization thread
in the past.

Surely not NH3 and N2O. You need a lot of energy for conversion of molecular nitrogen into atomic, I think Mike have explain that in US meeting..

[Aaron]

nitrogen hydroxide

Nitrogen hydroxide is an molecule invented from peoples, in fact doesn't exist in chemistry.

I think both yes and no.

Yes, people made up that term because they didn't know what it was
and I think it is nh3 and n2o and other molecules.

However, I have found many references in published papers naming a
molecule nitrogen hydroxide and I posted this in the ionization thread
in the past.

[tutanka]

I believe there can be nitric acid forming in the water to make it <7
but I guess this is more important when electrodes are submerged in
water - also increasing conductivity even when starting with distilled water.

The nitrogen hydroxide websites have been on the internet for years and
they talk about nitrogen but they do not give clear answers on anything.

Aaron.
Nitrogen hydroxide is an molecule invented from peoples, in fact doesn't exist in chemistry. All free informations sended today are based on real chemistry. However no problems because if you don't use right water your process doesn't work and you can forget to create NH3. In acid solution you create NH3, in basic solution you create N2H4. Regards

[Aaron]

&lt;7

Also the water used in process is very important because NH3 is formed ONLY using an PH <7. Regards

I believe there can be nitric acid forming in the water to make it <7
but I guess this is more important when electrodes are submerged in
water - also increasing conductivity even when starting with distilled water.

The nitrogen hydroxide websites have been on the internet for years and
they talk about nitrogen but they do not give clear answers on anything.

[nvisser]

Gary
You should do this online so we all can learn from it even if you use different components
It will not distract us from the topic of this thread.
After all that is what the thread is for
Regards
Vissie