Ionization & Water Fuel

[pengrove]

I was told a story once from an old Navy sailor that worked in the boiler room of a big steam ship. They were out at sea when the packing on a valve sprung a leak. He said that steam under pressure is flammable. And that he barely avoided a catastrophe.

[vrand]

Hello Suchayo,
I see that you are woking hard about that.. about GEET method .. yes you have true... similarry is used also from Meyer in injecton system.. now is clear also that heat is important in reaction. However you can investigate years about that without success.. you need to understand better the final chemical reaction and after study an better and simple method for obtain that with elecronic or mechanical.. Regards

Hello Tutanka,
How did you discover your final chemical reaction? Trial and error? Testing? Can you publish your findings?
Thanks, Mike R.

[sucahyo]

However you can investigate years about that without success.. you need to understand better the final chemical reaction and after study an better and simple method for obtain that with elecronic or mechanical.. Regards

Ok, I still lack of info what actually happening.

It is to show the example of what some Meyer followers are so gung ho about - all this electron stripping business of oxygen.

Ok. I am interested in two thing:
- whether Laser can be replaced with LED, since Meyer do mention laser.
- What happen with the stripped off electron, because I don't think electron can wander it self.
Edit: Yes, I don't think gas processor work the same way as CRT.

Why don't you ask the same questions you're asking about nitrogen? Can you rephrase that and ask about nitrogen?

I ask because I just recently replied by h2opower that 4th level ionized oxygen will reclaim their missing electron from vacuum. Really curious what everyone think happen to the missing electron and to the atom that lost that many electron.

I don't think we need to strip or add electron at all. Just simple ionization to break covalent bond and make new molecule.

[Aaron]

ionization

I don't think we need to strip or add electron at all. Just simple ionization to break covalent bond and make new molecule.

This is why you're still looking for the answers.

[sucahyo]

This is why you're still looking for the answers.

No, the quetion is for anyone use missing electron theory.

Mine is classic NH3 creation, mentioned in chemical book, haber-bosch which never mention or need missing electron.

I am looking for the ratio of complex gases in certain temperature and pressure.

I also remember seeing a picture of hydroxy booster with exhaust gas supplied in the cell. I only find the GEET one. Anyone remember who did the experiment?

[Aaron]

why?

Mine is classic NH3 creation, mentioned in chemical book, haber-bosch which never mention or need missing electron.

Of course, but do you know why that is?

[sucahyo]

Of course, but do you know why that is?

No, still learning Lewis dot diagram, especially the example of octet rule.
Lewis structure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no missing electron in there. Nitrogen with 5 electron, Oxygen with 6, Hydrogen with 1. All can still retain the number of electron even after changing partner. The creation of NH3 do not need missing electron, since oxygen and hydrogen will still have 6 and 1 electron.

Got intrigued with how Meyer draw water molecule:


compare with this:

[tutanka]

No, still learning Lewis dot diagram, especially the example of octet rule.
Lewis structure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no missing electron in there. Nitrogen with 5 electron, Oxygen with 6, Hydrogen with 1. All can still retain the number of electron even after changing partner. The creation of NH3 do not need missing electron, since oxygen and hydrogen will still have 6 and 1 electron.

Hello Sucahyo,
Sincerely don't understand why you continue to lost time with electrons story of Meyer.. you have posted some info including first meyer system.. that's very interested and from here also h2opower must open eyes.. of course is basic system but you can see more from here.. my suggestion is.. think only with your mind. Regards

[tutanka]

Yeah. What exactly do u want to accomplish with the formula?

Without formula you can reach success but in all case formula isn't all..

[Aaron]

ionization

No, still learning Lewis dot diagram, especially the example of octet rule.

I understand what you're talking about but it is much more simple than
all of that.

The Haber-Bosch process doesn't need the ingredients to be as electrically
primed first because the process uses such high heat and pressure. Therefore,
if a process is using lower heat and lower pressure, it is necessary to ionize
the gases beyond "just simple ionization" so that they are more easily
brought together.

[pengrove]

Nicks Theory
Nitrogen being the first element on the periodic table should also be the easiest to turn into a positive charged Ion. Nitrogen while in a magnetic field using the Stark Effect can be pumped up to the point of ionization with photon energy. The magnetic field keeps the electrons from going back to lower shells. Once a Positive charged Nitrogen Ion leaves the magnetic field it is looking for electrons. When the Nitrogen Ion receives electrons from the atmosphere it releases the same amount of energy in photons. The photon burst ejects all of the covalent bonding electrons in the surrounding steam releasing the hydrogen from the oxygen. Then the hydrogen bonds with the Nitrogen creating NH3.

Or the steam and the nitrogen are both ionized at the same time and reassembled after exiting the magnetic field.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

some information

Hi All

This is just a bit of information:- If you reduce Nitrogen (N2) to a nitride ion (N) at a cathode made of nickel, these ions can be oxidised in the presence of atomic hydrogen (H1) to form NH3. Now this has to be done with a salt bridge (chemical in water, dialectric, what ever you want to call it) LiC1-KC1.

This is latest tech: and still experimental but produces 40% more NH3 than the Haber-Bosch process for 10% of the energy. As I said it is still experimental, but looks promising for small scale production for internal combustion engines etc.

Mike

[tutanka]

Hi All

This is just a bit of information:- If you reduce Nitrogen (N2) to a nitride ion (N) at a cathode made of nickel, these ions can be oxidised in the presence of atomic hydrogen (H1) to form NH3. Now this has to be done with a salt bridge (chemical in water, dialectric, what ever you want to call it) LiC1-KC1.

This is latest tech: and still experimental but produces 40% more NH3 than the Haber-Bosch process for 10% of the energy. As I said it is still experimental, but looks promising for small scale production for internal combustion engines etc.

Mike

Mike,
Nitride ion isn't N atom but N3- and the process don't use water, however ammonia is successfully synthesized by using a new electrochemical reaction with high current efficiency at atmospheric pressure and at lower temperatures than the Haber−Bosch process. In this method, nitride ion (N3-), which is produced by the reduction from nitrogen gas at the cathode, is anodically oxidized and reacts with hydrogen to produce ammonia at the anode. Attached the diagram...

[tutanka]

Nicks Theory
Nitrogen being the first element on the periodic table should also be the easiest to turn into a positive charged Ion. Nitrogen while in a magnetic field using the Stark Effect can be pumped up to the point of ionization with photon energy. The magnetic field keeps the electrons from going back to lower shells. Once a Positive charged Nitrogen Ion leaves the magnetic field it is looking for electrons. When the Nitrogen Ion receives electrons from the atmosphere it releases the same amount of energy in photons. The photon burst ejects all of the covalent bonding electrons in the surrounding steam releasing the hydrogen from the oxygen. Then the hydrogen bonds with the Nitrogen creating NH3.

Or the steam and the nitrogen are both ionized at the same time and reassembled after exiting the magnetic field.

Nicks theory is more similar to my gas processor, however the process mentioned from you isn't Stark Effect but Zeeman Effect and if you use steam you need also HV field

[pengrove]

Nicks theory is more similar to my gas processor, however if you use steam you need also HV field

Well it doesn't look you are using UVB LED's because 300nm LEDS are rare. What are you using for photon energy a laser?

All I see a high voltage induction coil