Ionization & Water Fuel

[vrand]

Aaron is there any way that you could do a thread like you did on "How to make nitrogen hydroxide"? On the subject of how to make nh3. I have read this thread a couple of times, some facts and how to do's are hard to weed through. Besides tutanka you seem to be up on this subject more than most here. You do not know me, but you have my word I am going to build and experiment with this tech. And you have my word that everything I learn and come across, I will post here. I am an electrical tech of twelve years and went through four years of school two of which were for aviation maintenance so I am able to fabricate and build most anything. Also I would be willing to pay for this paper if that would be an option.

You can create your own thread anytime. It is located on the top left corner labeled "Start New Thread".

Check out the other threat that Tutanka posted before coming over on this thread from last year:

Stanley Meyer Explained
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...explained.html

He even had some diagrams on his earlier designs.

Creating ammonia and Nitrous Oxide from just air and water mist, at low energy (100 watts), to fuel an engine would be an energy breakthrough. We all here look forward to seeing Tutanka's Italian patent and photos of his device.

If you figure how to do this, please share your testing results.

Regards, Mike R.

[willy]

A big favor from Aaron

Aaron is there any way that you could do a thread like you did on "How to make nitrogen hydroxide"? On the subject of how to make nh3. I have read this thread a couple of times, some facts and how to do's are hard to weed through. Besides tutanka you seem to be up on this subject more than most here. You do not know me, but you have my word I am going to build and experiment with this tech. And you have my word that everything I learn and come across, I will post here. I am an electrical tech of twelve years and went through four years of school two of which were for aviation maintenance so I am able to fabricate and build most anything. Also I would be willing to pay for this paper if that would be an option.

[pengrove]

Any Updates yet Tut?

[vrand]

Hi Tutanka,

Do you sand your copper center wire/rod and the inside of your copper air processor tube? To create tiny sharp points for the Corona Discharge/Sparks/Arcs to form easily?

Any photos of your air processor design?

Thanks

[vrand]

Hi Tutanka,

Do you have a theory of how/where the free energy is coming from, to be able to fuel kilowatts engines with 100 watts?

Are you tapping ZPE, Aether, Casimir forces, Solar energy?

Regards, Mike R.

[vrand]

WE ARE WORKING HARD, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT DAYS WE SEND YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATIONS. REGARDS

Thank you tut, we all are looking forward to seeing your energy breakthrough discovery

Do you use more than one reactor/processor to process the air and water mist for the 3 stages? For example do you use 3 separate devices or can all fit in one device?

Regards

[Cloxxki]

We all know the water cycle...But how about the Air cycle. Why is air 78% Nitrogen? Why is this a constant? Is that just the way it is?

Good point.
With all the deforestation and fossil fuel oxydation going on, I'd expect the Nitrogen to increase (decrease of oxygen). Apparently something out there is either eating Nitrogen, or adding Oxygen as required.

[Vickers]

We all know the water cycle...But how about the Air cycle. Why is air 78% Nitrogen? Why is this a constant? Is that just the way it is?

[tutanka]

Thank you for the info

I will also post it on the "Corona Discharge" thread.

Interesting X-Ray history:
X-rays

The discoverer of X-Rays, , published his findings several weeks after discovery.



Tut spent over a year of driving his car around, and still has not produced any proof of his discovery.

Tut, if you are still here ping, hello...

Regards

WE ARE WORKING HARD, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT DAYS WE SEND YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATIONS. REGARDS

[vrand]

This is interesting, Concerning Ion wind and Air composition
Experiments: Experiment 12

Thank you for the info

I will also post it on the "Corona Discharge" thread.

Interesting X-Ray history:
X-rays

The discoverer of X-Rays, , published his findings several weeks after discovery.

He spent several weeks privately investigating the rays before publishing his results

Tut spent over a year of driving his car around, and still has not produced any proof of his discovery.

Tut, if you are still here ping, hello...

Regards

[FrozenWaterLab]

So Anyone know of other sights where the building of this type device is being attempted????
Links Please
FrznWtr

This is interesting, Concerning Ion wind and Air composition
Experiments: Experiment 12

[vrand]

So Anyone know of other sights where the building of this type device is being attempted????
Links Please
FrznWtr

Using just air and water mist to fuel an engine?

Archie Blue was claimed to have something similar (google for more info). although it never made it to market, over the past 40 yrs.

Meyers later year designs (20 yrs ago) got away from needing his "water fuel cell" and tried to do it with his injectors. That never worked, but he was going in that direction of just using air & water.

Tutanka is the latest to have claimed to have done it. Researchers here are waiting for more specifics to replicate and confirm this energy breakthrough.

Tutanka what is the status on your Italian patent application?
Any idea on when you will release more info on your design so other researchers can replicate and confirm your design?

Regards

[FrozenWaterLab]

So Anyone know of other sights where the building of this type device is being attempted????
Links Please
FrznWtr

[Powerman]

Meyers Design for 125 psi "pinch effect"


Translation of the terms (in case any one needs it) for the above picture.

elettrovalvola = (electrically controlled) valve
Camera di reazione = reaction chamber
CATODO = Cathode
ANODO = Anode
Ugello = nozzle
Arco Plasmatico = Plasma Arc

[vrand]

To me it looks like there could be 2 stages where this psi could come from - 1) is a pressurized propane cylinder precharged with air, or better yet, 2) the same pressurized propane cylinder filled with exhausted gases from the engine after the engine is started at least one time ...

This process would feed itself as you will see by my quick explanation:

Some thoughts I have are to attach an empty propane cylinder, maybe a 16oz bottle, to the exhaust of the engine through a one-way check valve while also feeding the air intake (air processor) side of the engine by way of a hand valve. This would allow the pressure in the engine to exhaust into the propane cylinder. Turning the engine over a few times should build up some good pressure inside the propane bottle which can be used for starting the engine.

When starting the engine, this cylinder would be vented to the intake of the engine by use of a hand valve to pressurize the air in the intake side of the atom conditioner (fancy term for ionizer / mixer). I'll see about putting a drawing together and posting it since I currently do not have a drawing made up.

Once the engine is running, the propane cylinder could be recharged and then 'shut off' to retain it's pressure for the next time the engine needs to be started.

The 16oz bottle is just a suggestion on my end as I think 16oz would provide enough pressure and volume to get the party started It's also a common size for camping appliances so it's easy to come by. (I grabbed some from the metal scrap piles of our local dump to work with).

Most engines usually develop around 150 psi or higher on a compression stroke. My motorcycles have typically been 165 psi minimum when turning them over (while disabled to prevent them from actually starting) They say you learn from mistakes ... 'nuff said.

Interesting design solution

sucahyo posted back on 2/26/10 some patents that used a lamp tube ionizer for corona discharge.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post87123

Maybe one can use a UVA lamp instead of LED's for the 350 nm. The patent also had an interesting tapered shape that could compress the airflow at one end similar to Meyers arcjet tapper that compressed to 125 psi.

Meyers Design for 125 psi "pinch effect"


Patent design with 15kv corona discharge & 0.003 to 0.03 inch clearance to copper outer electrode.

Patent on ionizer for improving combustion:
Air ionizer for internal combustion ... - Google Patent Search

Air ionizer for internal combustion ... - Google Patent Search
Quote:An air ionizer for installation in the air intake path of an internal combustion engine, to introduce ozone and other oxidizing agents into the engine with acceptable levels of air flow restriction and at a sufficient concentration level to substantially improve combustion within the engine. A glass tube is filled with an inert gas and has an inner electrode extending a short distance into an end of the tube. A foraminous copper outer electrode substantially surrounds the glass tube and is slightly spaced apart from it. A high voltage is applied between the inner and outer electrodes, so that when air flows past the tube, ozone and other oxidizing agents are generated between the outer surface of the tube and the outer electrode, and escape into the air stream through the holes in the outer electrode.