Water Sparkplug

[revizal]

Plasma Oscilator Based worked on SUV

Hi Everyone,

I just tested above Oscilator on my motorbike (Yamaha Mio 113 cc). It worked good both supply 12 Volt DC from an adaptor and directly from bike's battery. No heat found on transformer anymore but little warm on 2N3055 transistors (still not a problem).

This below is the video link posted on youtube.

YouTube - Plasma Oscilator works on motorbike

Thanks,

Rev.

All,

Today I tried to connect above oscilator-inverter to get plasma effect on my SUV. Here below is the video:

YouTube - Plasma Booster w/ Oscilator inverter on SUV-1

I used it together with fuel vaporizer and homemade kiker wires. Basically it worked OK with some concern. I thought my diodes string got some cross talk between its. When I increase RPM near to 1500, the engine look like unsteady. But when it reach 2000 RPM or more, the engine runs smooth. And bad insulation of my kiker wires make distorsion to car audio.
Need more adjustment on it.

Rev.

[Aaron]

plasma patents

Thanks Doc,

I posted this here in the past:
http://www.esmhome.org/library/water...ionpatents.zip

It has all the Suckewer patents, NASA's and others.

The Suckewer patents got around plug wear by doing multiple discharges per cycle...dividing large blasts between multiple pulses.

Like MSD (multiple spark discharge) but I guess it would literally be
MPD (multiple plasma discharge)

That is in their patent to cover the concept but isn't necessarily what they're doing with Knite.com

[Doc]

patent

Welcome to Knite, Inc.
Looks like they removed all references to their patent #'s, etc... All the Suckewer plasma ignition patents are what Knite's ignition systems are based on.

Hi Aaron
From their website the say that there product is based on the princeton univ patents. check this out to see if it gels into what you are trying to achieve.
Patent 5,704,321
Link to United States Patent: 5704321

[ashtweth]

Thanks Chris, am anxious to try the hydroxy and plasma spark on it, especially with Gregs new invert. We will do a video of cause my friend , ATM, our timing chain went on the car and the GEET is in the back , being so close to Christmas we wont get it back for another week

This is going to be a dress rehearsal for a GEET/Hydroxy plasma spark auto..
will upload a vid as soon as we get the car back. Dam timing chain

[Chris31]

Good work Ash,

Any videos?

[ashtweth]

GEET up and running

GEET is up and running, adding hydroxy and the plasma spark plug to it
at a later date. We will also be doing reactor rod extraction tests
with it. I expect to tipple the fuel economy, then we will be moving
onto a carby auto with the same hydroxy /plasma experiments. Its
already ready running on 2/3's water and petrol.

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Full rep details here
Panacea University
Paul Pantone's GEET technology (PDF) - updated December 17 2008
Fuel reforming method for fuel saving and reduction of pollution.
Energy saving & pollution cutting applications include: cars,
tractors, trucks, generators, boats, helicopters, any Internal
Combustion Engine application.
Panacea-BOCAF reference page.


Ash

[Aaron]

water sparkplug videos

These are just the old original vids I posted and put them up on youtube just for archive purposes:

YouTube - Water Sparkplug Circuit Verification
YouTube - Water Sparkplug Isolated Capacitor
YouTube - Water Sparkplug Test on Lawnmower

You can read the full descriptions on them for details. These might be good for any beginners here.

[insane4evr]

Memories

Way back in th early '80s, I played with the CDI circuits of that time in my country of origin (far east): ~300VDC, .5uF capacitor, and SCR. Some cars showed improvement in acceleration, but I was not able to gather mileage improvement. However, most engines don't like it, you can feel it mis-firing at certain rpms and mileage became worse. Increasing the duration by increasing the capacitance to 1.5 or even 2 uF eliminated the misfires on most car models. The higher capacitance required the inverter to be more powerful. Still six cylinders was a problem. My conclusion then was that the improvement in acceleration is due to the faster leading edge of the voltage generating the spark with the CDI than with the kettering system, but the duration is shorter causing misfires on some engines. And that was that.

During that time also, I vaguely remember a British company that sells a unit that combines both CDI and transistorized ignition in one package. the CDI generates the fast leading edge and the transistorized section extends the duration. I wish I still have that info.

And that is all I can remember. End of story.

[Aaron]

cap discharging faster

Lee,

Your finding that the diode effect here making the cap discharge quicker is what I believe is happening exactly in the Gray tube. The HV source discharges faster because of the slamming into a diode of lower voltage potential and having it shut off. It is like there is a vacuum created on the line that sucks the potential from the HV source quicker.

Anyway, when I have time to do it, I intend to prove you right on the Gray Tube application as well.

This is the thread that I have this at:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replication.html

[gmeast]

spark duration

Hi everybody.
If the plasma spark is added to a stock transistorized ignition system, I would be very interrested if the plasma spark alters in any way the normal spark on wich it is added.
Does the duration gets shorted? I am talking about the triggering spark, not about the plasma one. The answer is more easily to find for those who have an osciloscope.
Thank you.

Hi Kinetix,

I have many traces of the VexUs discharge cycle. I am trying to figure out a way to capture a regular spark's discharge duration. It might be useful to compare different capacitor value substituted in VexUs circuit and then look for a trend ... delta durations ... so to speak.

What thinks ye?

Greg

[Aaron]

Suckewer | Knite.com

Welcome to Knite, Inc.
Looks like they removed all references to their patent #'s, etc... All the Suckewer plasma ignition patents are what Knite's ignition systems are based on.

[Kinetix]

Hi everybody.
If the plasma spark is added to a stock transistorized ignition system, I would be very interrested if the plasma spark alters in any way the normal spark on wich it is added.
Does the duration gets shorted? I am talking about the triggering spark, not about the plasma one. The answer is more easily to find for those who have an osciloscope.
Thank you.

[gmeast]

booster cap

I posted in this forum about using a dedicated "booster cap" before the Vexus circuit ever came to this site.

Also, the Suckewer patents address how to prevent the plug wear. I have posted about that a few times but not sure if anyone really looked into it. Here is their commercial site - and soliciting investors site:
Welcome to Knite, Inc.
It is chopping one large burst into multiple bursts per cycle - this is what eliminated plug wear for them.

Hi Aaron,

I have always used a "booster" cap as a reservoir and as you posted long ago, it makes a huge difference. I also found that when using a voltage multiplier, the capacitors used in multiplier serve AS the booster cap. Now I only base this on the scope pictures. With no booster or multiplier there are many harmonic perturbations in synch with the 'pump' frequency (line, inverter, oscillator). But with either the booster or the multiplier (doubler) the supply looks like a noise-free, HQ DC power supply. If you are not using a multiplier than you should definitely use a booster cap.

Thanks for the reminder. Peace,

Greg

[Aaron]

plug wear solution

Vexus and the original circuit both disruptively discharge capacitors across an arc created by a HT coil. The only difference is Vexus uses a storage capacitor specific to this purpose where the original circuit used the capacitor that also provided the energy source for the primary winding of the ignition coil.

As the spark duration could be up to 14 times greater than the original circuit, Increasing the capacitance even further could be possible at the risk of very rapid plug wear.

I posted in this forum about using a dedicated "booster cap" before the Vexus circuit ever came to this site.

Also, the Suckewer patents address how to prevent the plug wear. I have posted about that a few times but not sure if anyone really looked into it. Here is their commercial site - and soliciting investors site:
Welcome to Knite, Inc.
It is chopping one large burst into multiple bursts per cycle - this is what eliminated plug wear for them.

[gmeast]

VexUs pros and cons

Hi Lee (smw1998a),

You are spot on with all counts. I still have the original solid state version of the original coil-driving circuit using charge and discharge power mosfets. When the inverter issues crept in I almost abandoned the VexUs altogether. The only reason I didn't is because to make the solid state version of the original circuit work better required very high voltage mosfets ... way, way expensive.

The piggyback concepts seemed so intriguing that solving the inverter problem seemed natural. If you have seen the traces of the Vexus discharge it becomes clear that the CDI cap is completely discharging ... however long that takes to happen. I think it is longer than a conventional spark. Once the conductive path is formed by the standard spark, the cap just discharges until it is empty. I will try to acquire more quantitative values for the discharge time, but I'm pretty sure the CDI cap's discharge is not regulated by the duration of the coil's discharge.

Thanks for your deep insight,

Greg