Water Sparkplug

[kiwijs]

Another filter prospect

This is never a good reason for anyone to stop. There are many companies making sintered metal filters ... here's just one:

Pyramid Technologies offers GKN sintered metal filter cartridges-industrial filter,air sparging,flame arrestor,porous metal particulate filter.

Choose something more robust than brass, bronze, copper, etc. so that some good experiments can be conducted over several thousands of firings. Yes ... there will be various (bad) by-products, and if possible these should be sampled with a bottle for future analysis with an MS, but you will be able to demo the technology, circuit, effects, affects, etc. This will entice a company (like above) to invest in a sintered tungsten structure for experimentation. Tungsten sinters. Carbide and tungsten alloy machine tool chip inserts are sintered. This cutting tool material and these inserts changed the face of machining and manufacturing decades ago ... so it's "DOABLE".

Suggesting,

Greg

Great idea Greg,

there is also Hydrophilic Porous Ceramics, which can handle high temps like this one Hydrophilic Porous Ceramics
This cup shape would do the trick with a little reaming of the inside edge of the sparkplug bottom tube to suit spark gap and the water would act as anode.
anyway just thinking out loud

L&L
Keep Thinking:
Jay

[Web000x]

bmlobo,

You'll get better responses if you start your own thread and don't litter your posts all over at least 6 threads. Your builds look very thorough and thought out. I am surprised that your posts don't follow that lead.



Dave

[bmlobo]

Hello All, Good day to you !!!

Hi Everybody, Can you help me out and take a look at a blog site that I am working on. It is to do with Pulse motors and magnetic coils, Bedini Motors, and ideas on making systems work better. If you could take a moment and link to my site and comment I would greatly appreciate your input.



PULSE MOTOR, FREE ENERGY & OVER UNITY

Thank you all and take care.

Please comment

[gmeast]

my steam generator

It is kind of odd you did not exspeareance more power. Many years ago I put steam on a stock 2.3 Pinto engine. For every drop of water down the heat riser the engine picked up 50 rpm. Now my system is on a larger engine and has better flow control. Can't wait too put the plasma spark to it.

Hi maxc,

I was thrilled to get the 20% to 40% increase in fuel economy. If you look at it sort of sideways, I DID actually get more power, otherwise how do you account for going further on less fuel ... I had a power increase which allowed me to go farther (further) on less gasoline ... equated to more power per quantity of gasoline. The steam did the rest ... and the EGT went down.

I had limitations on the 'quality' and amount of my steam. I used only exhaust heat to generate it and that limited me on how HOT my steam would be. One thing I was really trying to do is to simply raise the RH to something like a cool, tropical, humid rain forest condition to run the engine at. I think I was close to those conditions and my mileage climbed drastically as I approached that.
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I don't think I ever posted my work with restrictor plates, compression ratio and fuel ratio. This experiment allowed an engine to run as if its EXPANSION STROKE WAS LONGER THAN ITS INTAKE STROKE. I used a standard gen-set, machined the head to increase the compression ratio to 15:1 ... things collide after that. The restrictor plate kept the "EFFECTIVE" compression ratio back down to the stock 7:1. The (intake) losses attributable to the restrictor plate were 5% but the efficiency gains were 25%+ ... and NO new technology, just about 3 cents at one stage in manufacturing plus a 15 cent metal stamping (the restrictor plate). I did a write-up and presented it with all of the raw data to Briggs & Stratton, but they have that same "not invented here syndrome" Also they said they are focusing on their overseas manufacturing ... meaning they were selfishly closing engine manufacturing here. Well fine! I want my efforts to first benefit the USA and not China (why do I even capitalize the "c"?).
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Greg

[maxc]

Hi all,

If you will review the work I did near the end (my), you will see I suggest this. In fact, I began ingesting large amounts of steam (mostly saturated, but nearly dry). The fuel-air mixture was very lean and would not run without the plasma spark. The now (too hot from stoich, would potentially burn the valves & piston) did indeed expand the 'steam' volume and the exhaust gas temperature, or EGT, went DOWN when compared to the baseline data originally taken for the engine. There was not any detectable change in performance (acceleration, top speed, torque, etc.).

What was going on: Instead of the heat from ignition going to heating not only the air inside but the saturated steam was absorbing heat for its final phase change to steam and subsequently expanding. Any dry steam was expanding as well as was the air.

It seems like this thread died out and then began anew with stuff that's already been done and presented ... amazing! Guess no one paid attention.

Greg

It is kind of odd you did not exspeareance more power. Many years ago I put steam on a stock 2.3 Pinto engine. For every drop of water down the heat riser the engine picked up 50 rpm. Now my system is on a larger engine and has better flow control. Can't wait too put the plasma spark to it.

[gmeast]

That IS different

It's the same song. Lack of support and builders. That's the free energy curse. Here's a good example:

YouTube - Think different:

What do you mean "lack of support and builders"? Most people here are builders. God knows I am ... I have the receipts to prove it.

What I saw in the video was a gen-set started and warmed up with fueling from two HHO dry cells ... one externally supprted and one internally supported. Then the external cell was isolated and removed leaving what appears to be a fully closed loop system, fully self supporting running on one internal HHO dry cell. Then he loads it with a flood light. I could hear the gen-set 'load'.

If it's REAL, then this guy is my hero.

I've always been of the opinion that there is some way to use HHO in a self sustaining configuration. That was just never a project I worked on. In OU Forum, it's the feature video and discussion. I'd just like to know what the little black box that's still plugged in is all about. If it is to run the ignition circuit then fine, but it should have been switched over to internal support before the end of the video. I'd also like to know what was in the dry-cells ... water or something else?

It's a great video, thanks for the link.

Greg

[broli]

It's the same song. Lack of support and builders. That's the free energy curse. Here's a good example:

YouTube - Think different:

[gmeast]

expansion

This is indeed more "down to earth". Many have speculated this, can you imagine hydrogen is used instead of gasoline to produce the "small" explosion he talks about and water mist to produce the sudden expansion. I think this is what wikwip is talking about. You would only need a small amount of hydrogen which could be produced on demand.

In a cycle like we're discussing here, you must, in the end, be able to 'extract' energy from the system and have that extraction be represented by either a Delta P, Delta T or both if truly adiabatic. This will depend upon hardware and thermodynamic cycle of the engine ... auto cycle, etc.

If you take a little hydrogen and when combusted, oxidized, whatever, will generate so many calories of heat. If you have a water mist and no air in the cylinder then you must inject enough calories into the mist (water) to do two things and one of them carries a stiff penalty, and that is this: the phase change - to change the water to steam you will need to inject the 'latent-heat, kind of like heat-of-fusion' for that amount of water (mist) even *before* you get a temperature/pressure rise from the mist to drive the piston in the cylinder. This 'latent heat' is not recoverable either with a condenser, regenerator or a recouperator. It's a property of water. It's the reason steam engines failed in general transportation. People like Bill Lear (Learjet) devoted much resource to solving the problem. He even concocted his own boiler medium call 'Learium'. Not much resulted ... he's been dead a while.

The same goes with any air in the cylinder. The air has a density and a heat capacity. There's no phase change, but you still MUST inject heat into the system to get that temperature/pressure rise in order to have anything to extract via an expansion cycle or equivalent.

A little 'hydrogen explosion' will not generate enough calories to cause the water mist to provide a sudden expansion.

The best way to do this is to keep looking for the right on-demand 'water spark plug' design, circuit and, by all means, the right catalyst to help drive the thing (chemically).

Greg

PS did Stanley have it after all?

[gmeast]

expansion

This is indeed more "down to earth". Many have speculated this, can you imagine hydrogen is used instead of gasoline to produce the "small" explosion he talks about and water mist to produce the sudden expansion. I think this is what wikwip is talking about. You would only need a small amount of hydrogen which could be produced on demand.

Hi all,

If you will review the work I did near the end (my), you will see I suggest this. In fact, I began ingesting large amounts of steam (mostly saturated, but nearly dry). The fuel-air mixture was very lean and would not run without the plasma spark. The now (too hot from stoich, would potentially burn the valves & piston) did indeed expand the 'steam' volume and the exhaust gas temperature, or EGT, went DOWN when compared to the baseline data originally taken for the engine. There was not any detectable change in performance (acceleration, top speed, torque, etc.).

What was going on: Instead of the heat from ignition going to heating not only the air inside but the saturated steam was absorbing heat for its final phase change to steam and subsequently expanding. Any dry steam was expanding as well as was the air.

It seems like this thread died out and then began anew with stuff that's already been done and presented ... amazing! Guess no one paid attention.

Greg

[broli]

Hi all,

this maybe of interest: YouTube - Geet Pantone Engine Concept Demo by Andreas Kalcker

It is basically the GEET design but no rod and magnetization stuff. I believe Andreas Kalcker has it right.

Please have a look and post your comments

Luc

Added: He explains it well at 6.55 min. in the video.

Here is his YouTube Channel: YouTube - aluka1603's Channel

This is indeed more "down to earth". Many have speculated this, can you imagine hydrogen is used instead of gasoline to produce the "small" explosion he talks about and water mist to produce the sudden expansion. I think this is what wikwip is talking about. You would only need a small amount of hydrogen which could be produced on demand.

[gotoluc]

Hi all,

this maybe of interest: YouTube - Geet Pantone Engine Concept Demo by Andreas Kalcker

It is basically the GEET design but no rod and magnetization stuff. I believe Andreas Kalcker has it right.

Please have a look and post your comments

Luc

Added: He explains it well at 6:55 min. in the video.

Here is his YouTube Channel: YouTube - aluka1603's Channel

[gmeast]

beryllium copper

Greg,

I'm glad you now recognise the need for caution here.

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Use only pure metals (as pure as physically possible), and research what those metals do when reacted with plasma at all anticipated energy levels, prior to proceeding.

Never use blended metals (thoriated tungsten or copper beryllium or nickel alloy, for example), for you may well be developing a nasty little gadget which will be doing you grave harm and alas, you probably won't even know about that until it's too late, unless you do your homework first.

Never use different metals for the electrode and anode, unless you're sure they don't react with each other adversely at the atomic level when plasma is applied.

Hi to all,

I'm sure you are familiar with the hours of testing I did. But I tested at what we now know were levels too low to actually summon the effect(s) we want, but I did get some results ... good result. As you should also recall, I did many hours of bench tests posted to YouTube where I was using Firestorm replicas made from Beryllium-Copper generously supplied by Robin David.


I have to say that I d-d-d-on't--t really f-f-feelll any side affects other thththan the oc-c-casionalll t-t-witch. CAPICHE ?

I need a drink and an aspirin then another drink ... is that mixing drugs?

"It's kind of like a Hippo, but with feathers" The Navigator

Greg

[rosco1]

Metals/plasmas

WOW! ... that is alarming ... and I'm pretty sure that, in the end, we will need more than 1 Joule to coax the effect we need (save perhaps some 'lucky' catalytic mechanism). In a vehicle application (plug installed in the engine - already surrounded by metal and other shielding), what would be the mechanism/risk of exposure then? ... don't know what radiation passes through what.

It seems to me that a "plasma" vs various materials is in need of characterization. That can only be done once (a) stable material(s) are identified ... much testing of course.

You know, there's nothing wrong with an ablative electrode/anode. A design could be arrived at that would allow for intended 'wear' over the projected service life of the plug ... and I have no idea of what form that design would/could take.

Great. Thanx,

Greg

Greg,

I'm glad you now recognise the need for caution here.

It all boils down to choosing materials which suit the intended application, as well as being aware of the plethora of problems which may well arise if one opts to use the easily obtainable "off the shelf parts", which were never intended for this kind of application in the first place.

We saw one research paper by a person who is arguably at the forefront of plasma research, in which it was shown that a 3/4 inch plate of solid brass could not stop the gamma from a certain metal at a relatively low plasma energy level. This alarmed us.

The charge clusters are another matter, and if one delves into what they can do to a person, one would have to appreciate the need for suitable safety precautions whenever testing certain metals with plasma.

There is far more to this than is immediately apparent. The casual observer really hasn't a clue of what lurks beneath the surface here.

The research paths it took us on was mind blowing, for it appears that if you change 1x seemingly insignificant parameter of the test, you can often open up a whole new can of nasty worms. It can be a literal Pandora's box of drama, if one hasn't done some careful homework beforehand.

If a readily available "off the shelf" plug can emit the yearly allowable dose of gamma in 6 seconds @ 1x Joule, then this alone should be enough to stop people in their tracks. But as you know, it probably won't.

Mixing and matching metals is another big no no.

We tested 1x off the shelf plug (the above mentioned plug as a matter of fact) and then added another metal into the equation, and I probably shouldn't name that metal here, but anyway, the plug screamed, literally.

I'm certain your jaw would drop if you saw/heard what this metal/plasma combination did. Having said that, the resultant side effects were alarming enough for us to want to look at "why" this thing was doing what it was doing, rather than just accept it and probably try to run with it, and as it turns out, we would most probably have been killing ourselves rather quickly in the process had we not decided to investigate further.

What we found caused us to ban the use of those metals outright in our plasma tests.

Point is, with spark, these metals are perfectly safe, but with plasma, it's an entirely different story.

Use only pure metals (as pure as physically possible), and research what those metals do when reacted with plasma at all anticipated energy levels, prior to proceeding.

Never use blended metals (thoriated tungsten or copper beryllium or nickel alloy, for example), for you may well be developing a nasty little gadget which will be doing you grave harm and alas, you probably won't even know about that until it's too late, unless you do your homework first.

Never use different metals for the electrode and anode, unless you're sure they don't react with each other adversely at the atomic level when plasma is applied.

[chainmailleman]

Can the same effect be replicated with a thermionic diode or does it have to be a semiconductor device?

[gmeast]

exposure

Greg,

Research "transmutation", "charge clusters" etc.

We tested a few of the commonly used spark plug materials and had some alarming results pop up.

People need to know that plasma reacts differently with certain metals, far different to the way a common spark reacts with that same metal.

For example..using an Alpha/Beta/Gamma tester, we found that a normal (big name brand) spark plug, which I cannot name for obvious legal reasons, emitted the yearly allowable dose of Gamma in 6 seconds when 1 joule was applied.

WOW! ... that is alarming ... and I'm pretty sure that, in the end, we will need more than 1 Joule to coax the effect we need (save perhaps some 'lucky' catalytic mechanism). In a vehicle application (plug installed in the engine - already surrounded by metal and other shielding), what would be the mechanism/risk of exposure then? ... don't know what radiation passes through what.

It seems to me that a "plasma" vs various materials is in need of characterization. That can only be done once (a) stable material(s) are identified ... much testing of course.

You know, there's nothing wrong with an ablative electrode/anode. A design could be arrived at that would allow for intended 'wear' over the projected service life of the plug ... and I have no idea of what form that design would/could take.

Great. Thanx,

Greg