Water Sparkplug

[smw1998a]

All Polish

I was wondering when someone was going to post about this.

YouTube - Plasma Spark I

I will be interested to see the long term effects on both plug and chamber using one of these.

Ozi

I found this quite worrying! All polish, no knowledge. Advertising what is basically a vexus circuit with a 12vdc charge pump as power source. I’m sure the FCC will have something to say about advising the removal of suppression leads! Tut, tut. As a continuing R+D project I would not suggest a possible aviation application. In fact I would not suggest placing this in anything other than a test vehicle away from public roads. I hope these guys have very good product liability insurance or someone’s Mom will end up loosing their home!

In short, I think it looks like a good device. I have been looking into HV applications for the water spark plug circuit, Tesla coils etc. IMO this is how they should advertise this device, as an experiment not a solution. Wait till a few average Joes buy these and melt holes in their pistons while under warranty, watch the class actions fly.

Regards Lee….

[gmeast]

charge pump same function as my oscillator

I found this quite worrying! All polish, no knowledge. Advertising what is basically a vexus circuit with a 12vdc charge pump as power source. I’m sure the FCC will have something to say about advising the removal of suppression leads! Tut, tut. As a continuing R+D project I would not suggest a possible aviation application. In fact I would not suggest placing this in anything other than a test vehicle away from public roads. I hope these guys have very good product liability insurance or someone’s Mom will end up loosing their home!

In short, I think it looks like a good device. I have been looking into HV applications for the water spark plug circuit, Tesla coils etc. IMO this is how they should advertise this device, as an experiment not a solution. Wait till a few average Joes buy these and melt holes in their pistons while under warranty, watch the class actions fly.

Regards Lee….

Hi Lee,

Yes that was very disappointing when they showed their multi-plug hook up. My oscillator is just made up of an inductor and some switches ... just easier to understand and build than a "charge pump" ... mine pumps 12VDC to 415VDC.

I've discovered you don't need a system that makes water-burning plasma at atmospheric pressure. They will probably end up as you surmised.

Greg

[rosco1]

Creating plasma by a "Diesel" ignition type effect.

I've discovered you don't need a system that makes water-burning plasma at atmospheric pressure. They will probably end up as you surmised.

Greg

I feel this is an important part of the puzzle.

If the ignition unit is creating plasma at normal atmospheric pressure(open air), then it's simply too powerful to be practical, for once you then pressurise that situation further, by way of the engine's own compression ratio, like to the tune of about 100 psi further, then it has to be recognised that all you'll really have been doing is overpowering the plug and increasing the wear right from the beginning.

I reason that a power level needs to be found which is only sufficient enough to morph the spark into a plasma at about 100 psi of pressure, meaning there will be no plasma created until this point, in this way the compression itself is the catalyst for the transition from spark to plasma, sort of a diesel ignition effect if that makes sense.

If a situation like this can be mastered, then the power levels through the plug would have to be seen as being significantly reduced, in turn, the wear factor would have to be reduced also.

[gmeast]

plasma effect

I feel this is an important part of the puzzle.

If the ignition unit is creating plasma at normal atmospheric pressure(open air), then it's simply too powerful to be practical, for once you then pressurise that situation further, by way of the engine's own compression ratio, like to the tune of about 100 psi further, then it has to be recognised that all you'll really have been doing is overpowering the plug and increasing the wear right from the beginning.

I reason that a power level needs to be found which is only sufficient enough to morph the spark into a plasma at about 100 psi of pressure, meaning there will be no plasma created until this point, in this way the compression itself is the catalyst for the transition from spark to plasma, sort of a diesel ignition effect if that makes sense.

If a situation like this can be mastered, then the power levels through the plug would have to be seen as being significantly reduced, in turn, the wear factor would have to be reduced also.

Hi rosco1,

The only plug style that I have witnessed creating a decent 'volume' or 'ball' (if you will) of plasma-looking stuff is the Firestorm replica. The side gap marine plugs show the effect but not at the same density. At the same time, I'm sure you saw the pictures of the Firestorms I posted (this page) with surprisingly little disintegration in contrast to what others have experienced ... I only used a 2uF dump cap though. Aquapulsar and replcators of the VexUs and Nexus used huge cap values ... 10 - 30 or even 100 uF. That destroys plugs but make for an impressive show in open air.

Using a Firestorm, we need to fire a steam saturated, sealed volume of air at 125 PSI and watch for the pressure rise ... next project.

Greg

[rosco1]

Like this?

Hi rosco1,

The only plug style that I have witnessed creating a decent 'volume' or 'ball' (if you will) of plasma-looking stuff is the Firestorm replica. The side gap marine plugs show the effect but not at the same density. At the same time, I'm sure you saw the pictures of the Firestorms I posted (this page) with surprisingly little disintegration in contrast to what others have experienced ... I only used a 2uF dump cap though. Aquapulsar and replcators of the VexUs and Nexus used huge cap values ... 10 - 30 or even 100 uF. That destroys plugs but make for an impressive show in open air.

Using a Firestorm, we need to fire a steam saturated, sealed volume of air at 125 PSI and watch for the pressure rise ... next project.

Greg

These are the critters I'll be using.

[Ozicell]

These are the critters I'll be using.

Hey Rosco,

I know you said that the electrode is silver but what is the earth cage made from?

Cheers
Ozi

[gmeast]

nice plug

These are the critters I'll be using.

That's beautiful ... keep us informed.

Greg

[gmeast]

end of the line

Hi all,

Well the Bug has been restored to stock except for the Firestorm plugs ... for now. Closing my doors & gotta get rid of everything. Can't afford storage.

Needless to say I am not going to just toss everything into the dumpster, not both plasma circuits, not the custom solid state distributor for the original plasma circuit and not the Bug either. If you are following my meaning(s) here, I'm in San Diego California. PM me and we'll go private from there.

It's been fun,

Greg

[gotoluc]

Hi Geg,

can you explain to us a little more as to what is going on, since this is a sudden change

Thanks buddy

Luc

[ashtweth]

HI Guys, Unfort Greg is going through some financial trouble, times are tough for all of us, people that are close to him back where he is should be supportive of his efforts and contributions, so that leaves us as family ATM.

I am sorry to hear about all this, Greg no doubt would be able to continue given the right resources, just finding it hard to cope ATM given his local environment, so if we all pitch in the future i am sure Greg will be able to keep his head above water.

Can i just say some thing to get some thing off my chest?
This is in response to the email Greg sent me about whats going on,

That Sucks!

[gotoluc]

HI Guys, Unfort Greg is going through some financial trouble, times are tough for all of us, people that are close to him back where he is should be supportive of his efforts and contributions, so that leaves us as family ATM.

I am sorry to hear about all this, Greg no doubt would be able to continue given the right resources, just finding it hard to cope ATM given his local environment, so if we all pitch in the future i am sure Greg will be able to keep his head above water.

Can i just say some thing to get some thing off my chest?
This is in response to the email Greg sent me about whats going on,

That Sucks!

It is truly sad that Billions are spent on War and even alternative Energy research but nothing comes out of it that can really help the people.

People!!!... you need to wake up ... take control of your life because your Government is not going to do it for you

Greg, I am truly sorry to see how the real researchers in this crazy profit only oriented world end up. Nikola Tesla did not finish his life in an honorable way. This is the price we pay when we try to help or fellow man. Good thing crucifixion is not in style

Greg my friend I wish you new beginnings in your life changes. Please drop us a post on your journey when you can

and brother.

Luc

[K1w1]

Gmeast we feel for you

Greg,

After all your hard work and inspiration it is truely sad that you have been hit by the economic crunch as badly as you are now affected.

We all hope to see you back again and better in the not too distant future. All your results and testing so far are going to keep people motivated for a long while to come.

[UncleFester]

Hi rosco1,

The only plug style that I have witnessed creating a decent 'volume' or 'ball' (if you will) of plasma-looking stuff is the Firestorm replica. The side gap marine plugs show the effect but not at the same density. At the same time, I'm sure you saw the pictures of the Firestorms I posted (this page) with surprisingly little disintegration in contrast to what others have experienced ... I only used a 2uF dump cap though. Aquapulsar and replcators of the VexUs and Nexus used huge cap values ... 10 - 30 or even 100 uF. That destroys plugs but make for an impressive show in open air.

Using a Firestorm, we need to fire a steam saturated, sealed volume of air at 125 PSI and watch for the pressure rise ... next project.

Greg

Already done it. Doesn't produce anything amazing. 10 Psi increases per pulse, but not enough to make an engine run on steam. Also Firestorm does not appear to do anything more than a champion plug with resistor and J-electrode removed. These results came from the Firestorm team backed by investment money, Orem, Utah. To see maximum effect take a champion plug, remove the resistor and J-electrode, then fire it in open air and compression test chamber. Put the Firestorm plug next to it and you will see more plasma created by the champion (larger area). Kiker wire also helps, but not to an extreme.

Later engine run tests showed the same results. Inexpensive Champion plug with modifications runs an engine as well if not better than the Firestorm. Mileage and exhaust gas analysis showed they are almost identical with the Champion performing slightly better and only the power level provided to the plugs makes any difference. Tests at Nology labs showed the similar results to ours. Small increase in mileage, moderate reduction in emissions.

[gotoluc]

Already done it. Doesn't produce anything amazing. 10 Psi increases per pulse, but not enough to make an engine run on steam. Also Firestorm does not appear to do anything more than a champion plug with resistor and J-electrode removed. These results came from the Firestorm team backed by investment money, Orem, Utah. To see maximum effect take a champion plug, remove the resistor and J-electrode, then fire it in open air and compression test chamber. Put the Firestorm plug next to it and you will see more plasma created by the champion (larger area). Kiker wire also helps, but not to an extreme.

Later engine run tests showed the same results. Inexpensive Champion plug with modifications runs an engine as well if not better than the Firestorm. Mileage and exhaust gas analysis showed they are almost identical with the Champion performing slightly better and only the power level provided to the plugs makes any difference. Tests at Nology labs showed the similar results to ours. Small increase in mileage, moderate reduction in emissions.

Hi UncleFester,

it's been a while since you posted. Are you still working on R&D for Robert Krupa?

I was wondering what you were up to theses days. Can you give us an update?

Thanks

Luc

[TRON]

What about long term damage from water vapor???

has anyone ever disassembled one of these motors to see what damage or rust is accumulating on wrist pins or piston rings? how is the oil holding up? any corrosion on head valves? I would like to hear from people on the damage encountered from H2O tech in ICE's...If any