Water Sparkplug

[revizal]

Oscilator Replication

Hi Everyone,

I made an inverter oscilator based just like what Greg's done before. I used 39 Ohm 5 watt base resistor and 2 A transformator to light 25 watt bulb. It worked well so far, even the transformer get little hot and the 2n3055 transistors get warm. It seems enough to drive plasma booster ignition setup with 9-12 uF cap. I hope this works on my motorbike.
Here are some pictures of my oscilator setup.

PS: Thanks Greg and others who provoked us to built it to prevent inverters fired.

Revizal.

[gmeast]

Hi Everyone,

I made an inverter oscilator based just like what Greg's done before. I used 39 Ohm 5 watt base resistor and 2 A transformator to light 25 watt bulb. It worked well so far, even the transformer get little hot and the 2n3055 transistors get warm. It seems enough to drive plasma booster ignition setup with 9-12 uF cap. I hope this works on my motorbike.
Here are some pictures of my oscilator setup.

PS: Thanks Greg and others who provoked us to built it to prevent inverters fired.

Revizal.

Hi Rev,

I am glad you built the oscillator. I put fans on the transformer and transistors. The max temp on the 3055's is 200 deg C . . . that's very high ... I was surprised when I read spec sheet.

We must all thank 'pmonk' for posting the circuit first.

Thanks Rev, nice job!

Greg

[handyandy]

Re:Water Spark Plug

Hi new to the group.

I am interested in exploring this research however my personal vehicle is a 1999 mercury cougar. It has a ECU and EDIS (electronic distributorless ignition system). I'm concerned with the possibility of damaging the ECU. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. I'm also interested in how the ground wire is connected to the ground of the spark plug. I think s1r uses a copper wire that he flattens and wraps around the base of the spark plug before he screws it into the engine. I have read the panceauniversity.org paper but I don't think this question is answered or maybe I missed it. Is that what everyone is doing or is there an electrical connector that would fit a 14 mm spark plug and what is the source? I'm not being lazy I just want to know what everyone here is doing. Thanks in advance...

Andy

[handyandy]

Re:water spark plug

What I would like to try is this:

Get a cheap inverter. Hook the two leads to a FWBR and wire the + to the engine ground. Wire the grounds of the spark plugs, tie them all together and connect to the minus of the FWBR. The draw on the inverter should not be too much it's simply being used as an energizer (ground wire floats). The current is circulating and being amplified (in theory). My feeling is the introduction of a source of electrons to the engine block will create a potential on the cylinder of the combustion chamber but not so much 40k volts vs 110 volts between the positive of the spark plug and the cylinder. This is the secret to s1r's success IMO. If this is just plain crazy I'd appreciate the input before I do this and my car becomes a paperweight.

Andy

[maxc]

Thanks for posting that Maxc - do you have the whole article?

I found this reference:

"A development that is still in the experimental stages is the plasma-jet ignition developed by Professor A. K. Oppenheim at the University of California at Berkeley which is described in the September 1979 issue of Popular Science beginning at page 74.

The plasma-jet ignition utilizes an ionized plasma which is injected into the combustion chamber. Initially, the ion cloud penetrates into the chamber and expands. As it expands very little combustion occurs. When the ion cloud has expanded sufficiently, combustion proceeds rapidly from many ignition points rather than from a single spark because the plasma comprises hot, highly charged particles. In this manner, almost the entire charge is ignited and burns smoothly.

There is no flame front which propagates from a single spark. Thus, the plasma-jet ignition permits the use of lower octane fuels and much leaner mixtures of fuel and air than internal combustion engines using conventional spark plug ignition. However, the plasma-jet ignition is not yet commercially feasible for operating an engine.

In the same article of the September 1979 issue of Popular Science, another recent development is described which is called the controlled-combustion system. Combustion is initiated in this system by simultaneous fuel injection and spark ignition.



By injecting the fuel into the vicinity of the spark, the air within the combustion chamber is caused to swirl about the chamber. The products of combustion, the flame front, and the combustible mixture are swept downstream and away from the spark by the air swirl. In this manner, cylinder pressure builds at a controlled rate.



The spark is discontinued, but fuel injection continues to feed the swirling flame front until the maximum power is reached. The fuel injection is then discontinued and the intensity of the flame front fades, but combustion continues until all of the fuel is consumed. This system has no octane requirements and operates efficiently and cleanly on a leaner fuel/air mixture than conventional spark plug ignited internal combustion engines require."


That reference was from this patent..this patent is NOT about the one in the magazine but a patent that references it:
Amplified radiation igniter system and method for igniting fuel in an internal combustion engine - Patent 4314530
and
Pre-combustion system for internal combustion engines - Patent 4319552


References Oppenheim:
Plasma arc ignition system - Patent 5568801


Seems like a lot of plasma references to this person.
"a. k. Oppenheim" plasma - Google Search

Yes I have the whole article. It's useing directed cylinder injection and aiming the fuel injector right at the plasma plug so they say.

[revizal]

Plasma Oscilator Based worked on Motorbike

Hi Everyone,

I just tested above Oscilator on my motorbike (Yamaha Mio 113 cc). It worked good both supply 12 Volt DC from an adaptor and directly from bike's battery. No heat found on transformer anymore but little warm on 2N3055 transistors (still not a problem).

This below is the video link posted on youtube.

YouTube - Plasma Oscilator works on motorbike

Thanks,

Rev.

[brenie]

Hi Rev, great vids, good info: many thanks.

Best wishes for 2009!

Regards, Bren.

[smw1998a]

I recently tried showing one of my friends a video of a water sparkplug (namely this one: YouTube - Water spark plug)

"im pretty sure its just inductive kickback or that the resistance of the coil is ignored because the current goes through the diodes instead"

What do I say to this?

[gotoluc]

Thank you Lee for taking the time to share your experience and knowledge of the water power spark

I have posted your great explanation at the same question asked at the Overunity topic.

and to you in 2009

Luc

[smw1998a]

[Ansis Freimanis]

Thank, you Lee!

It is true- all what you sad.
P.S. When spring in Latvia comes I want to make experiment with adjustable voltage from 0 to 200 volts, but high frequency 40KHz and voltage Tripler or maybe a quadrupled in the end, but with small capacitance in circuit. In this kind we can reduce amperage in schematics and find optimal voltage for minimizing sparkplug wear.
Thank, You!

[gmeast]

VexUs pros and cons

Hi Lee (smw1998a),

You are spot on with all counts. I still have the original solid state version of the original coil-driving circuit using charge and discharge power mosfets. When the inverter issues crept in I almost abandoned the VexUs altogether. The only reason I didn't is because to make the solid state version of the original circuit work better required very high voltage mosfets ... way, way expensive.

The piggyback concepts seemed so intriguing that solving the inverter problem seemed natural. If you have seen the traces of the Vexus discharge it becomes clear that the CDI cap is completely discharging ... however long that takes to happen. I think it is longer than a conventional spark. Once the conductive path is formed by the standard spark, the cap just discharges until it is empty. I will try to acquire more quantitative values for the discharge time, but I'm pretty sure the CDI cap's discharge is not regulated by the duration of the coil's discharge.

Thanks for your deep insight,

Greg

[Aaron]

plug wear solution

Vexus and the original circuit both disruptively discharge capacitors across an arc created by a HT coil. The only difference is Vexus uses a storage capacitor specific to this purpose where the original circuit used the capacitor that also provided the energy source for the primary winding of the ignition coil.

As the spark duration could be up to 14 times greater than the original circuit, Increasing the capacitance even further could be possible at the risk of very rapid plug wear.

I posted in this forum about using a dedicated "booster cap" before the Vexus circuit ever came to this site.

Also, the Suckewer patents address how to prevent the plug wear. I have posted about that a few times but not sure if anyone really looked into it. Here is their commercial site - and soliciting investors site:
Welcome to Knite, Inc.
It is chopping one large burst into multiple bursts per cycle - this is what eliminated plug wear for them.

[gmeast]

booster cap

I posted in this forum about using a dedicated "booster cap" before the Vexus circuit ever came to this site.

Also, the Suckewer patents address how to prevent the plug wear. I have posted about that a few times but not sure if anyone really looked into it. Here is their commercial site - and soliciting investors site:
Welcome to Knite, Inc.
It is chopping one large burst into multiple bursts per cycle - this is what eliminated plug wear for them.

Hi Aaron,

I have always used a "booster" cap as a reservoir and as you posted long ago, it makes a huge difference. I also found that when using a voltage multiplier, the capacitors used in multiplier serve AS the booster cap. Now I only base this on the scope pictures. With no booster or multiplier there are many harmonic perturbations in synch with the 'pump' frequency (line, inverter, oscillator). But with either the booster or the multiplier (doubler) the supply looks like a noise-free, HQ DC power supply. If you are not using a multiplier than you should definitely use a booster cap.

Thanks for the reminder. Peace,

Greg

[Kinetix]

Hi everybody.
If the plasma spark is added to a stock transistorized ignition system, I would be very interrested if the plasma spark alters in any way the normal spark on wich it is added.
Does the duration gets shorted? I am talking about the triggering spark, not about the plasma one. The answer is more easily to find for those who have an osciloscope.
Thank you.