Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[John_Bedini]

bedini GT3

Dave
It's Ok to say because I have seen this before in some machines and on multiple coil circuits.
John

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

To All,
Look guys this is an easy thing to do, ya right. With the wheel developing toque it easy to make a pancake generator off the shaft, direct drive. The generator is nothing more then air coils energized by neo magnets it will charge the capacitor close to the battery level, about 22 volts on a 12 volt system, the size is important . The bigger the diameter of the pancake generator the slower the motor can go to make power.

Just trying to help.....
John

[Web000x]

To All,
Some things you can do to test if the coil has the right impedance.
and checking to see the cap is getting the most charge.

For those that have gone to the conference. I explained that the machine needed an extra coil to balance the impedance out so this is an easy check. It should work with the original Bedini/ Cole motor switch. Brent, your machine from what you said should almost be right on.

Sorry this Forum is very quiet at this time when it should be hopping. I hope this little spat between digital and analog has not discourage you from your work as I just ignore it all, it's not important who is right or wrong. It is important to finish your machine and get it working.
Hope this gets more active soon. Another thing almost left out,
use a low impedance coil to check around 3.3 Ohms, you can clip lead it in the circuit, you will know if the machine speeds up.
John B

I had to leave my home for a week for an out of town job. I have observed some very interesting effects that I must do more experimentation on to find out the exact origin/eliminate possible error. I didn't want to start running my mouth without properly understanding what I was looking at.

I'll be home Friday. I'm sure you will hear all about my observations. It has to do with using tuning coils in parallel and an analog amp meter dropping to display zero current. Something interesting is going on.

Dave

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

Les K,
Yes I go along with you so I ended the subject because we both know and the others are just finding out.

Les, Tom Bearden has been at this for as long as I have known him.
Yes you must tune the circuit I did this for the show model John K had some good insight on all of this as I showed him and Eric how to do this when they could not get the machine to run.

You need to be at about 1 ampere or more with this circuit. so it is important that all the devices are matched at about the same current. For you guys here I will see about running some you-tubes on the demonstration that I gave at the conference. I think we all need a refresher here.

Les that coil can be an air coil away from the machine as the current oscillates between the two. Let me see how much time I have tomorrow to do this for the group. I will try to do the switch also.
John B

[Les_K]

For my part my camera broke I lost my pictures.
Digital vs analog is a very old argument. As a test engineer you find out each has it's place. The debate is a non issue in my book so I was just avoiding adding anything to distract. Unless you get into low end test equipment you will find John is right on the money here... Enough said.

John I am finding that bearded is right that you can condition the environment. This information had to do with the work of bill tiller.
I am finding a radius of about 150 ft. after about four days of continous run Does that imply I am not getting all the energy I could into the cap? is it spilling out so to speak instead of being captured?

Les

J

[Les_K]

For my part my camera broke I lost my pictures.
Digital vs analog is a very old argument. As a test engineer you find out each has it's place. The debate is a non issue in my book so I was just avoiding adding anything to distract. Unless you get into low end test equipment you will find John is right on the money here... Enough said.

John I am finding that bearded is right that you can condition the environment. This information had to do with the work of bill tiller.
I am finding a radius of about 150 ft. after about four days of continous run Does that imply I am not getting all the energy I could into the cap? is it spilling out so to speak instead of being captured?

Les

J

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

To All,
Some things you can do to test if the coil has the right impedance.
and checking to see the cap is getting the most charge.

For those that have gone to the conference. I explained that the machine needed an extra coil to balance the impedance out so this is an easy check. It should work with the original Bedini/ Cole motor switch. Brent, your machine from what you said should almost be right on.

Sorry this Forum is very quiet at this time when it should be hopping. I hope this little spat between digital and analog has not discourage you from your work as I just ignore it all, it's not important who is right or wrong. It is important to finish your machine and get it working.
Hope this gets more active soon. Another thing almost left out,
use a low impedance coil to check around 3.3 Ohms, you can clip lead it in the circuit, you will know if the machine speeds up.
John B

[Rl2003]

Hey Rick,
Thanks, I am regretful that I was not able to attend the conference this
time, conflicting commitments, but I am sure everyone involved put a lot
of time into it. (you may put my name on your list for Aug. 2012)
Most people here working on these replications of JB and
others work, spend countless hours and money, to further there knowledge
and better their life and the lives of others around them. Most without ever
expecting any return for there time. I hope the spirit of working together
will continue with this group, as it has been great so far.
If I am able to join the list of those in line for the "modules" please put me in line JB.

(quoat from a JB post)
Brent,
"I did say I would build the modules I showed and the response was good on the list, I can not say the price for them yet."

Are there any modifications we can do with our current circuits untill you
have the modules ready?
Mark P.

Hey Mark,
I have no issue with Matthew as far as I know, and I guess you can take the comments jokingly or positively or negatively. That is the thing about emails you just never know how people read them. Whatever hard feelings exist I learn from it all and am very open to criticism from friends or foes. I have learned a lot this last year and have a lot more to learn (both in regards to technology and doing business). I think most of us will one day gather around a table and laugh at everything. Time will tell. All the best to every one on this group.
Rick

[rickfriedrich]

Hey Mark,

I have no issue with Matthew as far as I know, and I guess you can take the comments jokingly or positively or negatively. That is the thing about emails you just never know how people read them. Whatever hard feelings exist I learn from it all and am very open to criticism from friends or foes. I have learned a lot this last year and have a lot more to learn (both in regards to technology and doing business). I think most of us will one day gather around a table and laugh at everything. Time will tell. All the best to every one on this group.
Rick

WOW, I am very sorry to read of any animosity bettween the likes of you
guy's. I hope that what ever it is, it will be worked out.

Mark

[Rl2003]

WOW, I am very sorry to read of any animosity bettween the likes of you
guy's. I hope that what ever it is, it will be worked out.

Mark

[rickfriedrich]

I want to say exactly, but not so. We have a lot of people not paying their bills lately, and especially not finishing the jobs they were paid for. But we are talking about something different here. I said I am open to seeing this done but so far I see nothing. Digital has its place. It appears to be limitless in application, but is it? Or rather it is made to appear so. We can 'talk' about it doing things but I don't see it. Make me a believer.

SO what your saying here Rick is....
Digital versus Analog, is kinda like, to put it into an analogy "A guy who pays his bills and a guys who don't", In that order. Or maybe "Someone who keeps his word and someone who doesn't. Or maybe even "Someone who practices what he preaches and complete hypocrite".

HMMMM.... .

I'll stick with the digital... that analog crap ain't good policy... For real.

Matthew Jones

[Matthew Jones]

Every time we attempt to let the digital control these desired negative processes it hinders the desired benefits. I warned about this in the beginning and have only seen this to be the case. Although I am not opposed to trying. Even when we use meters to merely monitor the processes, it still can hinder. I therefore prefer full relay in and out to check even voltages. Again, the chips fail when subjected to the DESIRED process when properly tuned to produce them. So they either fail or prevent the process. When you work with this for years as we have then you come to realize this. How many digital engineers thought that they could show us otherwise? It is not something that is a mere theory. It is almost like the difference between the syfi movies and ordinary life. The imagination can come up an image of the unreal and we can speculate about it or make a movie, but then we all have to go to work the next day in the real world. There is a reason these processes have been filtered out for 100 years, it is a negative experience. We have made it a positive experience when properly channeled. Call it ignorance or lack of experience as we do not claim to know everything, but we do not see so far. And 255 is very limiting of the real world. I spent the last 8 months finding out that 255 needs constant revision--"a simple fix"!
Rick

SO what your saying here Rick is....
Digital versus Analog, is kinda like, to put it into an analogy "A guy who pays his bills and a guys who don't", In that order. Or maybe "Someone who keeps his word and someone who doesn't. Or maybe even "Someone who practices what he preaches and complete hypocrite".

HMMMM.... .

I'll stick with the digital... that analog crap ain't good policy... For real.

Matthew Jones

[rickfriedrich]

Every time we attempt to let the digital control these desired negative processes it hinders the desired benefits. I warned about this in the beginning and have only seen this to be the case. Although I am not opposed to trying. Even when we use meters to merely monitor the processes, it still can hinder. I therefore prefer full relay in and out to check even voltages. Again, the chips fail when subjected to the DESIRED process when properly tuned to produce them. So they either fail or prevent the process. When you work with this for years as we have then you come to realize this. How many digital engineers thought that they could show us otherwise? It is not something that is a mere theory. It is almost like the difference between the syfi movies and ordinary life. The imagination can come up an image of the unreal and we can speculate about it or make a movie, but then we all have to go to work the next day in the real world. There is a reason these processes have been filtered out for 100 years, it is a negative experience. We have made it a positive experience when properly channeled. Call it ignorance or lack of experience as we do not claim to know everything, but we do not see so far. And 255 is very limiting of the real world. I spent the last 8 months finding out that 255 needs constant revision--"a simple fix"!

Rick

Ok John, I know your "Just an Analog Guy" so I too will leave this alone. I have to point out though it would be 0 - 255, which is also the same as 0 - 5V. This is the "level" and not the calculations. Just as you are saying, the "Levels need to be accurate". In the "analog world" a glass half full, is 2.5V, and in the digital world, it is 127. These are just levels and we would expect the chip to do something at that level. Now comes the sampling rate, "How often do we check to see the level in the glass" (frequency and duty cycle of the oscillator). This is where accuracy can become compromised. Not to say the chip that you are using is inaccurate for the job you are asking it to do, but to say accuracy is an issue because it being "digital" I challange. There is no math calculation here or memory issue. A level is reached and we do something.

As far as "going and building", you know that I have been there.

I'll move on.

Thanks
Jeff

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Jeff,
Not to get into it with you, you should know why it does not work.
0 to 256 is not enough to do the calculations you need to be accurate. digital is either on or off it knows nothing in-between. you would be changing the code to make the formula work each time and would soon run out of memory and the calculations would quit. If it works that good then build it. It would be the difference between an analog recording and a digital recording. If you work in the real world it is analog, nature is not digital. I do everything in analog So I will end it here.
Cheers back.
John

Ok John, I know your "Just an Analog Guy" so I too will leave this alone. I have to point out though it would be 0 - 255, which is also the same as 0 - 5V. This is the "level" and not the calculations. Just as you are saying, the "Levels need to be accurate". In the "analog world" a glass half full, is 2.5V, and in the digital world, it is 127. These are just levels and we would expect the chip to do something at that level. Now comes the sampling rate, "How often do we check to see the level in the glass" (frequency and duty cycle of the oscillator). This is where accuracy can become compromised. Not to say the chip that you are using is inaccurate for the job you are asking it to do, but to say accuracy is an issue because it being "digital" I challange. There is no math calculation here or memory issue. A level is reached and we do something.

As far as "going and building", you know that I have been there.

I'll move on.

Thanks
Jeff

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

Jeff,
Not to get into it with you, you should know why it does not work.
0 to 256 is not enough to do the calculations you need to be accurate. digital is either on or off it knows nothing in-between. you would be changing the code to make the formula work each time and would soon run out of memory and the calculations would quit. If it works that good then build it. It would be the difference between an analog recording and a digital recording. If you work in the real world it is analog, nature is not digital. I do everything in analog So I will end it here.
Cheers back.
John