Who performs the first longitudinal Moon-Bounce in history?

[Aether]

Thanks for that Wheatstone document Lamare, I keep reading all over the internet that Wheatstone's results were due to a calibration error in his tests, but I can never find an explanation as to what the specific error was, is anyone able to substantiate this claim?

[lamare]

Wave going inside conductor of spherical shape with the speed of c occur on surface as a shadow of speed (Pi/2)*c Maybe that neutrino distraction is exactly that, surface of earth not counted into computations.

Dollard wrote about the speed of longitudinal waves propagating at a speed of pi/2 times c:

Tuks DrippingPedia : Transmission Of Electricity

The electromagnetic theory, or what was known as the Hertzian wave theory in Tesla's era, fails to explain certain observations made in practical radio engineering. According to E.M. theory the propagating velocity of electric induction must be the velocity of light. In the practical world of engineering however, the factor π/2, or 1.57 times the velocity of light will appear in wave calculations. Is it not coincidental that Tesla claimed that the effective propagation velocity of his wireless system was π/2 faster than the so-called speed of light?

Also, according to E.M. theory, the propagation of electric induction must be the cross combination of the dielectric induction and the magnetic induction, these two inductions never propagating independently. The work of J.J. Thomson and M. Faraday indicate that these two distinct forms of induction do propagate independently. Wheatstone claimed that the dielectric induction propagated at π/2 times faster than light.

Tuks DrippingPedia : Induction In The Dimension Of Time

Lord Kelvin felt that it was possible to establish compressional waves, such as sound waves, thru the luminiferous aether, these waves being a version of Maxwell's displacement current. This current, often called capacitor current, flows thru electric insulators, and even thru so called empty space. No conductors or electron flux is involved with this current. Kelvin indicated his feelings that these waves must prop*agate faster than the velocity of light. To quote Kelvin's description of the actions of the induction in the space between the plates of a capacitor fed by an alternator:

"Now does any one believe that, if the revolution were made fast enough, the electro-static law of force, pure and simple, would apply to the air at different distances from each plate? Everyone believes that if the process can be conducted fast enough, several million times, or millions of millions times per second, we should have large deviations from the electro-static law in the distribution of electric force through the air in the neighborhood. It seems absolutely certain that such an action as that going on would give rise to electrical waves. Now, it does seem to me probable that these electrical waves are conden*sational waves in the luminiferous aether; and probably it would be that the propagation of these waves would be enormously faster than the propagation of ordinary light waves."

The velocity of dielectric propagation was experimentally verified by Prof. Wheatstone to be π/2 times faster than the velocity of light. Tesla also states this velocity in his writings on wave propagation.

In view of these scientific discoveries, and the fact that Oliver Heaviside developed a theory of faster than light electrons which was confirmed by Dr. Tesla, it is a wonder how the present notions of electro-magnetism and its limiting velocity as purported by Einstein an his follo*wers have dominated electric theory. It is of particular interest to note that C.P. Steinmetz did not consider Hertzian waves as transmission of energy but as energy loss by the hysteresis of the aether.

Tuks DrippingPedia : Sbarc Lecture
Wikipedia says this on its page on Wheatstone:
Charles Wheatstone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I found a pdf with his "An Account of some Experiments to measure the Velocity of Electricity andthe Duration of Electric Light." and made an OCR version:

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Wheatstone%20-%20An%20Account%20of%20Some%20Experiments%20to%20Measure%20the%20Velocity%20of%20Electricity%20and%20the%20Duration%20of%20Electric%20Light.pdf

The deviation of half a degree between the two extreme sparks, the wire being, as above stated, half a mile in length, would indicate a velocity of 576,000 miles in a second. This estimated velocity is on the supposition that the electricity passes from one end of the wire to the other: if, however, the two fluids in one theory, or the disturbances of equilibrium in the other, travel simultaneously from the two ends of the wire, the two external sparks will keep their relative positions, the middle one will be alone deflected, and the velocity measured will be only half that in the former case, viz. 288,000 miles in a second.

So far, I have not be able to find a theoretical explanation that gives us this pi/2.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

radio waves and OU

Nikola Tesla (yeah the dead guy) may have beat you to the punch:

Nikola Tesla "Lost" Manuscript? Not Verified as being authentic or not. Read it for yourself.. | MERLib.org

Read part 2.

As most may know or not know, I have been a radio ham for most of my life and when I started using HF for long distance communication I was very surprised to be able to use 2.5watts of RF power and speak from England to Australia with the Australian end reading an off scale reading on his RF meter. Now that was not moon bounce "though I have done that", it was propergation during high sun spot activity and bouncing off the ionospher several times to earth and back again until it reached the reciever in Australia.

Now the question is, was the 2.5 watts of RF increased as it bounced around the earth until it reached the reciever in Australia? It would seam it did as shown by the RF meter used in Australia!!!!! line of sight would not give such a large RF meter reading at maximum distance possible from transmitter to reciever!

Mike

[boguslaw]

Wave going inside conductor of spherical shape with the speed of c occur on surface as a shadow of speed (Pi/2)*c Maybe that neutrino distraction is exactly that, surface of earth not counted into computations.

[broli]

Nikola Tesla (yeah the dead guy) may have beat you to the punch:

Nikola Tesla "Lost" Manuscript? Not Verified as being authentic or not. Read it for yourself.. | MERLib.org

Read part 2.

[lamare]

Hi all,

I'm sure many of you know about moon-bouncing in amateur radio:
EME (communications) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The use of the Moon as a passive communications satellite was proposed by Mr. W.J. Bray of the British General Post Office in 1940. It was calculated that with the available microwave transmission powers and low noise receivers, it would be possible to beam microwave signals up from Earth and reflect off the Moon. It was thought that at least one voice channel would be possible.

The "moon bounce" technique was developed by the United States Military in the years after World War II, with the first successful reception of echoes off the Moon being carried out at Fort Monmouth, New Jersey on January 10, 1946 by John H. DeWitt as part of Project Diana. The Communication Moon Relay project that followed led to more practical uses, including a teletype link between the naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii and United States Navy headquarters in Washington, DC. In the days before communications satellites, a link free of the vagaries of ionospheric propagation was revolutionary.

Later, the technique was used by non-military commercial users, and the first amateur detection of signals from the Moon took place in 1953.

In my Einstein article I added this:
Tuks DrippingPedia : Ruins 106 Years Einstein Relativity

Given that the propagation speed of longitudinal electric waves (which according to the current theory cannot propagate trough a vacuum) is about 1.6 times the speed of light, it would be a very interesting experiment to see whether or not moon bouncing could be achieved practically with longitudinal electric waves. If Tesla is right, we would see an Earth-Moon-Earth roundtrip time of in the order of 1.6 seconds, while normal EM waves would take more than 2.5 seconds.

Since the distance between the Earth and the Moon is on average 384,400 km, on average we would have a return path of over 750,000 km, which would take more than 2.5 seconds at the speed of light, which is the speed with which EM waves propagate. However, longitudinal waves could make the round-trip in just 1.6 seconds, a difference of 0.9 seconds!

I mean, explaining away a couple of nanoseconds in the CERN neutrino "anomaly", all right, they get away with that. But I would really love to see how they would explain away an early arrival of no less than 0.9 seconds...

So, if we were to make a longitudinal transmitter of considerable power (Wikipedia says you need over 100W for EM waves, but the higher the gain of your antenna's, the less power you need) and we would connect that to a computer (transmitting f.e. audible morse code or something), you could setup a system whereby any (radio amateur) could enter a message trough the internet to a server, connected to a transmitter which sends the signal to the moon. Now since any decent internet connection should be able to get the message from the amateurs computer to the transmitter computer well within half a second, any radio amateur that builds a receiver should be able to determine that the signal he himself entered on the computer is being received from the moon well before any EM wave could possibly travel back and forth between the earth and the moon.

That way, it could be experimentally proven that:

a) longitudinal waves exist,
b) they travel at much a faster speed than the speed of light.


This would mean that it could be experimentally proven that the current Maxwell equations are wrong and that therefore the Lorentz transform is rubbish after all and thus Einsteinan relativity can finally be put where it belongs: the trash can.


Since radio amateurs have been using moon-bouncing before, such an experiment using longitudinal waves may be possible without requiring large amounts of funding.

So, I went looking for some information on how to do this in practice, and it seems that all you need to be able to transmit and/or recieve longitudinal waves is spherical antenna:

Monstein, Wesley - Observation of scalar longitudinal electrodynamic waves(2002).pdf

This is the sketch of the aluminium ball antennas from the pdf:

Now if you would mount such antenna's on a set of ordinary sattellite dishes, you could perhaps easily build longitudinal antenna with high gain, as some people do for the transmission of EM WiFi signals:

How-To: Build a WiFi biquad dish antenna -- Engadget
TREVOR MARSHALL - Biquad feed for primestar dish

It seems to me that this is not only doable, but also doable within a reasonable hobby-budget.


So, which radio amateur is going to get his name in the history books for performing not only the first longitudinal moon-bounce, but also delivering the final blow to Einstein's nonsense known as his relativity theory?