3 Battery Generating System

[tachyoncatcher]

Yes!

I've seen this before in a different setup.
1 I believe the motor was still acting as a generator.
2 I believe the reason for the voltage climb was conditioning of the good batteries 1 and 2.
3 Remember the circuit is a loop and pulsing the bad battery is the same as pulsing the primaries - hence conditioning of the primaries(1 and 2).
4 The inclusion of a new "bad" battery meant the circuit started again from a higher starting point due to the prior conditioning of the primary batteries 1 and 2.

5 I've conditioned (spike charged) good car batteries before and after switching off the high voltage spikes the battery voltages continued to climb, whereas in a normal battery charger the voltages fall after you switch off.

A few of my observations to a.king's numbered bullets above. May save someone a detour to nowhere.
1. Yes! A generator of a different kind. A sorta low voltage spark gap with capacitance (coil).
2. All primaries I have used are "spike pulse" charged/conditioned/seasoned from the start. The increase seams to come from the changing 3rd battery.
3. Absolutely.
4. & 5. My experience has shown spike charged batteries will, typically increase in voltage after the charger has been disconnected for a while. Indicative of a charged field (pressured environment) around the battery. The new 3rd batteries that I have had success with were, very much, like you described in an earlier post, zero. A neutral dipole. Not so much a battery, but something else. a.king, you know what we have here. We appreciate your experienced input.

Battery chemistry sharing. Turion, go for it. The reason I have not shared specifics on the forum is because they all failed. Yes, I got a few HUGE outputs. But at a cost. The positive connections in the cells of all of my successful 3rd batteries were reduced to disconnected, black stubs. The strange thing is I used 2 opposite electrolytes. The first was standard acid. The second was a salt electrolyte with magnesium traces. Both showed the same damage to the positive side of the cells. What I'm not sure of is what damage was already done as the batteries were already old, sulfated, dead batteries. I guess the main difference with my 3rd batteries was that they worked until they were toast! I ended up with lead scrap instead of a repaired battery. The voltage would start to climb, then fail. I have done all of my tests with 7Ah batteries as I get them for free. Maybe I just over powered them.
My nickels worth of 3rd battery experience.

Grounding is important. But not on the negative, on the spark gap. Oh wait! We don't have a spark gap..... Yes we do.
Have Fun,
Randy

[Turion]

A past thought from Orion Lightship

"Clearly you are onto something of astronomical importance.

This is also clearly about impedance matching and wave inversion.

In a coax cable...a shorted end (R< Z) the wave is inverted. If a coax is open ended (R>Z) the reflected wave is non-inverted.

Perhaps you could find out the characteristic impedance of a "good" working battery as opposed to the impedance of a "bad" non-working battery. Not sure how to go about that. Also the actual DC resistance of a "good" battery opposed to a "bad"?

You might try using impedance changing transformers in your setup. After determining what is actually required. It may be possible then to use any battery.

Maybe no battery three at all? Just a bundle of shorted coax of the right impedance? Just loading the motor to run without power consumption would be ideal wouldn't it? Just my random thoughts hoping they will jog something loose in your head....good luck "

Dave

[OrionLightShip]

Clearly you are onto something of astronomical importance.

This is also clearly about impedance matching and wave inversion.

"In a coax cable...a shorted end (R< Z) the wave is inverted. If a coax is open ended (R>Z) the reflected wave is non-inverted.

Perhaps you could find out the characteristic impedance of a "good" working battery as opposed to the impedance of a "bad" non-working battery. Not sure how to go about that. Also the actual DC resistance of a "good" battery opposed to a "bad"?

You might try using impedance changing transformers in your setup. After determining what is actually required. It may be possible then to use any battery.

Maybe no battery three at all? Just a bundle of shorted coax of the right impedance? Just loading the motor to run without power consumption would be ideal wouldn't it? Just my random thoughts hoping they will jog something loose in your head....good luck "

Dave

hahaha....did I say all that? Sometimes I think I have something loose in my head....a sharp pointed screw maybe

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[tachyoncatcher]

Jogged Loose

Another something that may cause further confusion. Or not. My good 3rd batteries had infinite or quite large impedance. The motor would NOT start on its own. Period. I would have to get it going with a load on the 3rd battery. Then, once the motor was over around 660 rpm, the meters would start bouncing and the balancing fun began. electric load, physical load, electric load, physical load... Not too difficult as I had a second dc motor as a generator coupled to my pulse motor. Add small bulb to the load and the physical load would increase on the pulse motor. And so it went.

I will admit this. I did not wait for days to see if it would start. Gave it a couple hours and then put the load on it the first time. Then after the first time, I have always started the pulse motor with a load on battery 3.

And another thought, I have killed 3 inverters with this setup. As Turion said, be careful. Sharing is like a Scalar wave, it travels in all directions and can convert to usable energy. Lets go!

Randy

[Duncan]

"Clearly you are onto something of astronomical importance.

This is also clearly about impedance matching and wave inversion.

In a coax cable...a shorted end (R< Z) the wave is inverted. If a coax is open ended (R>Z) the reflected wave is non-inverted.

Perhaps you could find out the characteristic impedance of a "good" working battery as opposed to the impedance of a "bad" non-working battery. Not sure how to go about that. Also the actual DC resistance of a "good" battery opposed to a "bad"?

You might try using impedance changing transformers in your setup. After determining what is actually required. It may be possible then to use any battery.

Maybe no battery three at all? Just a bundle of shorted coax of the right impedance? Just loading the motor to run without power consumption would be ideal wouldn't it? Just my random thoughts hoping they will jog something loose in your head....good luck "

Dave

Sounds about right David I also remember the trigger for that reflection and it was TK using coax to adjust the standing wave as in a Balun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAPe3DiYt2o

[Duncan]

for consideration

A few of my observations to a.king's numbered bullets above. May save someone a detour to nowhere.
1. Yes! A generator of a different kind. A sorta low voltage spark gap with capacitance (coil).
2. All primaries I have used are "spike pulse" charged/conditioned/seasoned from the start. The increase seams to come from the changing 3rd battery.
3. Absolutely.
4. & 5. My experience has shown spike charged batteries will, typically increase in voltage after the charger has been disconnected for a while. Indicative of a charged field (pressured environment) around the battery. The new 3rd batteries that I have had success with were, very much, like you described in an earlier post, zero. A neutral dipole. Not so much a battery, but something else. a.king, you know what we have here. We appreciate your experienced input.

Battery chemistry sharing. Turion, go for it. The reason I have not shared specifics on the forum is because they all failed. Yes, I got a few HUGE outputs. But at a cost. The positive connections in the cells of all of my successful 3rd batteries were reduced to disconnected, black stubs. The strange thing is I used 2 opposite electrolytes. The first was standard acid. The second was a salt electrolyte with magnesium traces. Both showed the same damage to the positive side of the cells. What I'm not sure of is what damage was already done as the batteries were already old, sulfated, dead batteries. I guess the main difference with my 3rd batteries was that they worked until they were toast! I ended up with lead scrap instead of a repaired battery. The voltage would start to climb, then fail. I have done all of my tests with 7Ah batteries as I get them for free. Maybe I just over powered them.
My nickels worth of 3rd battery experience.

Grounding is important. But not on the negative, on the spark gap. Oh wait! We don't have a spark gap..... Yes we do.
Have Fun,
Randy

So here in its most basic terms is the lie Var is a wattless component that is quite obviously wrong
John Bedini: Reactive Power is the clue to Monopole, Hendershot, Moray.. | MERLib.orgSquare Wave Pulse Resonance - YouTubeQRG: One Wire Circuit - YouTube

[Turion]

As we're trying to get it "all out on the table" so to speak, let me add this to the dung heap.

Many of you have "conditioned" a battery using the Bedini system. What if someone took a conditioned battery, drained it of power, and put it in the third position. Since a conditioned battery doesn't WANT to accept the charge from a standard charger, might it last longer in position three???

The other thing Luthor and I were talking about this morning is that when we have a working setup, the loads you can put on battery 3 are HUGE, HUGE HUGE

In our fiddling and fooling with this setup, we might not be putting the kinds of loads on battery 3 we need to get the results we want to see.

Dave

[tachyoncatcher]

As we're trying to get it "all out on the table" so to speak, let me add this to the dung heap.

Many of you have "conditioned" a battery using the Bedini system. What if someone took a conditioned battery, drained it of power, and put it in the third position. Since a conditioned battery doesn't WANT to accept the charge from a standard charger, might it last longer in position three???
Dave

Tried the conditioned battery on position 3, that I discharged (mostly)! Charged it right up. Not what you want for a battery3. Oh, and try to kill one of those damn conditioned batteries. Take the short off and they will increase in voltage all by themselves. Even after days.

Randy

[Duncan]

[Duncan]

for consideration

I put this link here because it came to me where I had seen the use for a rotary converter such as you have just got your hands on David .. being used to Drive COP+1 It was page 12 of this PDF

http://www.neophysicslabs.com/data/Documents/consolidated_knowledge.pdf

[erfinder]

Tried that! Got the T-Shirt. Charged it right up. Oh, and try to kill one of those damn conditioned batteries. Take the short off and they will increase in voltage all by themselves. Even after days.

Randy

Soo......what specifically did you try..?

[tachyoncatcher]

Conditioning

Duncan,
Any successful pulse charger with a cap dump to the charging battery will "condition" the caps. The dump circuit will get more efficient as time goes on. My guess is the caps get "conditioned". Depending on what you were doing with that cap, you could condition it for that specific purpose with a ttl circuit that counted the pulses before dumping the dielectric to a load. In this polluted brain of mine, I think the load is an important part of that conditioning (resistive vs inductive). Especially if Bedini turns out to be right and this stuf is reactive.

Guys, I hope this is ok. I am going to dump my thoughts out in the open as opposed to PMing you, as I have in the past. Our conversations should be out in the open as we are never smarter than the sum of the parts. Maybe Duncan can summarize the progress with a titled post of "Summary". He's so good at that. And that would be easily searched.
Randy

[tachyoncatcher]

See edited post

Soo......what specifically did you try..?

erfinder, I edited the post. Hope it is clearer for everyone.

[erfinder]

erfinder, I edited the post. Hope it is clearer for everyone.

That is what I thought you tried....this isn't what my suggestion to Turion was.... I am suggesting one try a completely crystallized battery.... A lead acid battery which has been completely ruined (in the conventional sense...crystallized) using the Bedini demonstrated process...

Quote:

"This mystery persisted for years. I have talked to some older engineers who report that local telegraph stations remained in operation despite the fact that their batteries had not been recharged for a great number of years. When the battery was examined it was actually dried out and physically corroded. Yet the signals continued." Stubblefield

End quote...

[Turion]