Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter "Replications"

[Farmhand]

Yes I agree a 1 K resistor is no comparison to the earth but it will tell you if the transfer is happening through the wire or the air. If the resistor gets warm or hot and the transmission still happens you're in buisiness I think.

I dare say you have a better ground connection than I do. But i'm working on that.

about the core doco's I watched the first one which was really interesting, so I downloaded the second but it had no audio for me. So I'll check how much bandwidth I have left to use and download the entire thing, during off peak if I have to.

I don't really know what's going on there. I agree there should be what you say, but at the moment there's certainly no spark gap voltage there. I can get small sparks when I short it, but nothing spark gappish.

Do you have an identical cap on the output coil as the one on the transmitter primary ? I found without it I got very little. Then I found if I could adjust it a bit could hit the sweet spot as far as sympathetic resonating goes. It makes a huge difference.

I think you've done very well with the spirals, and the spark gap, I should clarify my thoughts on this point. I don't think there is anything wrong with a spark gap. And in fact for very high frequency coils I think it is probably the only option or at least the cheapest simplest and best. Without a micro controller I have no idea how one would go about pulsing a coil at a few Mhz without a spark gap. I just wanted to use solid state and as low a frequency as I needed to use solid state switches (in the way I know how). And I think with frequencies low enough to use the ground a spark gap is even less necessary.

It is very handy being able to use the scope to see the wavefrom from the Toroid while I tune. Almost too easy. Good for learning because I can see the effect of what I do on the scope aswell as the output. Which I don't think is easily possible when using a spark gap, but with tuned coils not such a problem, I am forcing resonance a little bit.

I also need to setup a Plate 'P' radiant energy collector far enough from the coils to only get a bit of energy so I can try to work out the best way to use them, with Tesla coil nearby at least it is garanteed to work so I have somewhere to work from to improve how I do it and I can work inside. People are interested in the radiant energy collectors, me especially

Is that the quarter wavelength tuning thing I mentioned earlier?

Oh the plate 'P' is a different system. It can be 100% free energy.
NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patents

Basically it can harvest atmospheric potential and cosmic particle/ray energy as far as I can tell. Another reason I need a really really good ground connection to the Earth. With a Tesla coil in the room it should get some radiation or something maybe, for testing purposes.



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[Farmhand]

Ok so this is what I'm thinking with the using of large coils in harmonics with the earth.

The schumann resonance as far as I can tell causes the earth frequency and so should be a natural harmonic of the Earth frequency for eg. just using arbitrary numbers here for example. If the Earth frequency is 12 Hz and is cause by lighning then the frequency of lightning should be a harmonic of that. So 12 Hz x 42 000 = 504 Khz and if a harmonic is also used for the Transmitter say 12 x 1700 = 20.4 Khz, so then you would have a tripple resonance with harmonics the Transmitter frequency being between the other two. If this was the case then the lightning especially if nearby would or could maybe directly resonate with the transmitter. Who knows. Most likely fantasy but it is fun to think about.

The numbers in this drawing are for demonstrating my thoughts only, and probably mean very little. And of course I might be wrong altogether.



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If the terminals were charged to a voltage higher than the lightning then the lightning should not strike the terminal.

As can be envisioned by this Lightning protector patent by Nikola.
NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patents

Makes perfect sense to me that lightning protector. A conventional lightning rod is asking for a strike to hit it. And when struck the lightning can sometimes travel through the ground and cause damage to things, by having a good connection to the ground. If two separated (by a distance) earth stakes were both connected to the same house then a strike could cause problems.

On a side note going back to the earth transmissions, it should be apparent that since we already use the ground for a return in the single wire earth return transmission method, I can see no reason why an actual earth transmission would not make good sense.

60 hz divided by 12 = 5 exactly. I wonder why they use 60 Hz in some places and 50 in others, maybe because the earths frequency is slightly different in different places or something.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

To stick my pipe insulation I wrapped two turns of strong duct tape around the outside to keep the ring shape, then wrap the whole thing up with the same tape. Then I covered all that with the flimsy aluminium tape so it had a smooth and somewhat harder surface to stick to.

Yes of course excelent idea, I'm glad I waited.

I hear ya about running back and forth, it's a real pain, we need assistants

The "wireless" field that can put some light into an 8W fluorescent (though the wattage doesn't make much difference here because I'm not referring to fully lighting it) extends out maybe 2 inches at most, maybe a bit less than that. So I've seen enough to believe that the energy isn't technically or directly being transmitted through the air. Through removing the terminal on either side stops it all from working.

I agree. It does seem obvious when experimented with. Good work.

Edit: although the fluro will take a bit more to get it going, so draw it back with an earth connection on the far end, with the fluro on the stick so not touching it, then draw it back till it goes out. This could be indution and good though not sure. Like I said you're terminals are probably a lot less leaky than mine. But I think the field is bigger but the density quickly lessens with distance from the terminal.

[Farmhand]

Hi dR, somehow I missed the 1 K resistor part of that video. The higher voltage is definitely good, not sure mine would work that well through 1 K. It looks cool going through the fluro tube, I wonder what the resistance through the tube would be, must be a fair bit.

This is the latest experiment I filmed. 2.2 metre distance first, then 6.7 metres.

Tesla Longitudinal Electricity One Wire/Wireless Transmission - YouTube

I got the coax today and it's on a wooden reel so I can put a handle on it and mount it up on a frame to be windupable. It also has meter markings on it. So I can tell the distance when it's not all used. I think I need a telescope to see the receiver lights or do it at night time. I'm worried the kangaroos will chew the receiver when I'm not looking though at night, or the bandicoots they're always chewing wire's. The bandicoots chewed the male end right off my 15 meter extension chord when i left it outside. And stole the end too.

Haha it's one thing having the room to experiment but anything new attracts the animals and birds for look and a taste. It is surprising what they'll take away.

Cheers

[wings]

Hi dR, somehow I missed the 1 K resistor part of that video. The higher voltage is definitely good, not sure mine would work that well through 1 K. It looks cool going through the fluro tube, I wonder what the resistance through the tube would be, must be a fair bit.



I got the coax today and it's on a wooden reel so I can put a handle on it and mount it up on a frame to be windupable. It also has meter markings on it. So I can tell the distance when it's not all used. I think I need a telescope to see the receiver lights or do it at night time. I'm worried the kangaroos will chew the receiver when I'm not looking though at night, or the bandicoots they're always chewing wire's. The bandicoots chewed the male end right off my 15 meter extension chord when i left it outside. And stole the end too.

Haha it's one thing having the room to experiment but anything new attracts the animals and birds for look and a taste. It is surprising what they'll take away.

Cheers

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[Farmhand]

Thanks Wings. .

Here's a pretty waveform just for the sake of a pretty picture. I call it "3D wave".



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And this is the circuit I will try to use to detect the lightning, when it come's this year. I'll use my receiver coil. It can be resonant from between about 440 Khz and 510 Khz. I'll adjust the capacitance and inductance to get the most voltage and current fluctuations, the micro-Ammeter will be able to be slid on and off the core-piece in the DC circuit Sensing coil "SC2".

The capacitor C2 will be the load, it might need to be only pF or nF in size, I'll have to see, I might use a small load of some other kind there instead of the C2 capacitor yet, not sure.



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Something might happen.

Oh of course I'll measure the frequency on the output coil "C" while at the settings which show the greatest fluctuations in the circuit. Well that's the plan anyway. Wish me luck. Oh Oh and I'll scope the AC of the coil 'C' also.

Cheers

[Kokomoj0]

This is the latest experiment I filmed. 2.2 metre distance first, then 6.7 metres.

Tesla Longitudinal Electricity One Wire/Wireless Transmission - YouTube

Also not filmed is an approx 10 metre "transmission" through walls and floors. My room is at the top rear left of the house, and I took the receiver downstairs to the lower front right room, and it worked. Didn't spend too much time on it though because I had to run up and down the stairs adjusting things. I just saw that it worked and was satisfied with the result.

The "wireless" field that can put some light into an 8W fluorescent (though the wattage doesn't make much difference here because I'm not referring to fully lighting it) extends out maybe 2 inches at most, maybe a bit less than that. So I've seen enough to believe that the energy isn't technically or directly being transmitted through the air. Through removing the terminal on either side stops it all from working.

edit[wow those are big lol]

what frequency are your coils running at?

[Farmhand]

Hi Kokomoj0, dR should answer soon but I'm not sure if he has measured it.

Here is the specs of his coils I think maybe we could find out from the calculator.

Coil Specs in this post.

http://www.energeticforum.com/151870-post216.html

Calculator. Flat Spiral Coil Calculator

I'm interested too. Good luck, my head hurts, I need a cup of tea and a good lay down.

[dR-Green]

Does a magnifying glass actually make an ant bigger when you look at it ? The answer of course is. No.

I guess the philosophical answer would be yes, since the effect is that the ant as you perceive it is bigger. You just happen to be aware there's a deeper reality behind the situation through understanding how a magnifying glass works

But in that moment, are you not experiencing a bigger ant?

And I am also almost certain that Tesla did not use a spark gap in his magnifying transmitter. So the magnification he speaks of had "nothing" to do with a spark gap. Read below the blow replaced the arc.

The current through the primary coil is magnified in his primary circuit by the use of charging inductors and capacitors. The field collapse of the inductors is stored in the primary capacitor for the next cycle and added to the current from the source during the next cycle. Thus magnifying the current and increasing it's effectiveness.

If the capacitor works as you say, then wouldn't the earth as a big capacitor in the system also have a similar effect...

There is the possibility of the reinforcing of resonance by the Earths vibration of course.

And on top of that the earth itself is vibrating.

I never thought of the spark gap itself having any magnification effect, just that it was a source of high potential and abrupt discharges. The only thing I'm really concerned about in this regard is the voltage and big impulses/discharges which I wouldn't be able to get with solid state or going directly off a "low voltage" source. But this is just where I'm beginning since Peter's Cold Electricity video got me hooked a couple of years ago

[dR-Green]

I think you've done very well with the spirals, and the spark gap

It is very handy being able to use the scope to see the wavefrom from the Toroid while I tune. Almost too easy. Good for learning because I can see the effect of what I do on the scope aswell as the output. Which I don't think is easily possible when using a spark gap, but with tuned coils not such a problem, I am forcing resonance a little bit.

Thank you The spark gap definitely needs some tweaking though. The resonance points I suppose they would be are very narrow so the slightest move of the gap throws it out again. There's too much play in it for the job realistically.

Oh the plate 'P' is a different system. It can be 100% free energy.
NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patents

Ah, I think I might have tried a primitive version of that when I was playing with the earth light thing or simple sec. In fact I think the earthing part is what led me to hunt down the source of the voltages that turned out to be my switched mode PSU that was capable of lighting neons between either output pole and earth on the 12v setting That totally distracted me.

I agree it would be interesting to see what happens with a Tesla coil running. Just make sure you don't have any switched mode PSU connected to the same earth or you'll be falsely amazed by your 230v results

[dR-Green]

Hi dR, somehow I missed the 1 K resistor part of that video. The higher voltage is definitely good, not sure mine would work that well through 1 K. It looks cool going through the fluro tube, I wonder what the resistance through the tube would be, must be a fair bit.

What happens if you connect such things on this end of your helical coil with the 12/24v input? And have you tried the same thing using the ignition coil and spark gap on the input to see how things behave on the earthed end with the different configurations?

I think I need a telescope to see the receiver lights or do it at night time. I'm worried the kangaroos will chew the receiver when I'm not looking though at night, or the bandicoots they're always chewing wire's. The bandicoots chewed the male end right off my 15 meter extension chord when i left it outside. And stole the end too.

Haha it's one thing having the room to experiment but anything new attracts the animals and birds for look and a taste. It is surprising what they'll take away.

Sounds like you need a typical light effect Tesla coil out there when you're away. Should do a better job than a scarecrow

[dR-Green]

what frequency are your coils running at?

It's hard to say The ignition coils are being pulsed around 600-800Hz, but the spark gap is so small it's hissing like a gas leaking from a pipe. That's where the best output/reception at the receiver is. I'll try to find out.

[dR-Green]

Here's a pretty waveform just for the sake of a pretty picture. I call it "3D wave".

Nice image As far as the lightning detection goes, I came across this last night

Spooky Tesla Spirit Radio - YouTube

This video is the only thing I've seen or heard about it so far, but it seems to be worth looking into further because it could be very handy for detecting various sources and what not that we're trying to work with, maybe.

Just to speculate, if it can detect lightning strikes from thousands of miles away, then we shouldn't really have to wait until it comes to us if there's a method of picking it up.

[Farmhand]

Hi dR, that entire post was only because I read some things on another forum and I can't comment there. So I wrote it all again in the hope they might see it. It wasn't directed to you at all.

It doesn't make any sense to me to me to assume Tesla meant he was increasing the energy in the system when he referred to the magnification effect of the primary. The magnification effect of the primary capacitor is vital to how the system works. And in my opinion this is why it got the name "Magnifying Transmitter". The magnification is not only useful it's vital, without it very little power could be transmitted at the lower frequencies needed for ground transmissions.

In my opinion there are a lot of people disrespecting Tesla, because they make too many assumptions and twist his words, weather unwittingly or not.

I think think this Meyl guy is full of it because he thinks the energy is transmitted through the air. He talks of modulating Scalar waves.
I don't see any reference to scalar waves made by Tesla.
Meyl shows Tesla longitudinal waves for wireless energy transmission - YouTube

His little demonstration devices are very misleading and are not demonstrating earth transmissions. He claims capacitive coupling between the terminals. And all sorts of stuff. I think he's dubious.

I guess the philosophical answer would be yes, since the effect is that the ant as you perceive it is bigger. You just happen to be aware there's a deeper reality behind the situation through understanding how a magnifying glass works

But in that moment, are you not experiencing a bigger ant?

Yes that's right, it only appears the ant is bigger or more because of the magnification effects of the lens. But the magnification is very very useful even though it doesn't actually increase the size of the ant. That's for sure.

If the capacitor works as you say, then wouldn't the earth as a big capacitor in the system also have a similar effect...

And on top of that the earth itself is vibrating.

I think because the capacity of the earth is so massive it might not work that way with respect to the earth, but I can't say it won't.

It was Tesla who said the capacitor in the primary circuit magnifies the current and therefore the current in the terminal. I believe him and I think it is necessary to transmit power. It's necessary for the system to be able to be able to build such a high potential and maintain it, while transmitting.

I never thought of the spark gap itself having any magnification effect, just that it was a source of high potential and abrupt discharges. The only thing I'm really concerned about in this regard is the voltage and big impulses/discharges which I wouldn't be able to get with solid state or going directly off a "low voltage" source. But this is just where I'm beginning since Peter's Cold Electricity video got me hooked a couple of years ago

Yeah I know, as i said I was kinda replying to some posts I seen on another forum, but since they might not be able to reply here I will not quote them from another site to here.

But as I keep pointing out the words of Nikola himself to replace the arc he needed a blow. If the rise and fall time is quick that's good enough. He also says that if the system is built and tuned correctly then no matter what type of waveform is used to excite the primary a sine wave will result.

A wireless power transmission coil is not intended to be used as a disruptive discharge coil. We don't really want streamers which is the intended purpose for a disruptive discharge coil. We want a continuous sinusoidal waveform, as big as possible. Well i do anyway.

What happens if you connect such things on this end of your helical coil with the 12/24v input? And have you tried the same thing using the ignition coil and spark gap on the input to see how things behave on the earthed end with the different configurations?

If I put a filament bulb there it glows, and a resistor gets really hot unless it's more than a couple of watts value, the transmission still happens almost the same, but a fluro won't light because the voltage at the bottom of my coils is too low and this stops the transmission like an open circuit. I haven't tried with 24 volts input yet only 12. Or with a spark gapped setup.

Cool lightning/lighting sounds in that video. My main objective is to try determine the frequency the lightning can excite things at. My theory is to get the coil sympathetically resonating with the lightning and measure the frequency.

Cheers

P.S. He talks of 1000% efficiency and 300% and with no proof it's all drivel.
Meyl shows Tesla longitudinal waves for wireless energy transmission - YouTube
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[Farmhand]

I do agree with Meyl on some points, such as the transmitter and receiver terminals have alternating voltages 180 degrees out of phase. When one is high the other is low I think. But I can only say what I think going by my deductions. And from the Tesla info I've studied.

I'm not about to do many hours of reading. study, experiment and observation to just believe what someone else comes along and says, no matter who they are or what they say they are. And I don't expect anyone should just believe what I say either, no one should do that. Not without deciding for themselves. I try to back up most things i say with references and/or logic.

For my own good I always try to consider what others say to me, just in case it will help me. And I like to be corrected because that means I learned something, by definition.

Anyway. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, always. What is wrong though is proclaiming their beliefs as 100% fact without proof.

Cheers

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