The Electric Field.

[Jbignes5]

Not a perfect example but some more clues.

This is super slow motion of guitar strings in action. http://high_speed_video.colostate.ed..._vibration.wmv

Nassim Harimen Had a good example of string movement if I can find the video again. I'll edit this if I find a link to the video or another good example.

Ok here it is:

stunning bass-string shot on Vimeo

[Farmhand]

I think I know how it relate's

Well as luck would have it.

I have a theory about how your theory relate's to the device you want to build. But first an add break.

Not really. But I will sleep on it to correlate my thoughts, so I can explain it better.

Ok so now we know how I am thinking here. How does this apply to the device I want to investigate?

Or was that a just a thought provoking rhetorical question ?

Way past my bedtime. I'll check your last post for edit's.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Strange Generator

Yes this is a strange generator I did wonder how it would actually function
correctly. Going by the patent which is a little confusing, when the field coils
are energised alternately, the magnetic poles are caused to be progressively
moved through the field. However the generator armature rotates as a result
of the field coils being energised "at the same rate as the Exciter armature.

So the generator armature can rotate without being driven by it's shaft.
This means if you were to try to stop the armature shaft at this point
currents would be induced into the armature coils and transfered to the
motor. Which would cause it to operate. I think. If the motor was on the
same shaft as the generator the result would be interesting I imagine.





As for your theory after reading patent and the two snippets above I would
say that the radial electric field lines are creating magnetic field lines
wherever the electric field line's are disturbed.
Even outside a toroidal core.

Thinking about it just confused me but I said it anyway, feel free to tell
me where you think i'm going wrong. I reserve the right to be wrong.
I thought I understood your drawing as the center can be a cross section
of the core.

I'm not sure now how your theory relate's now but it's obvious Tesla's
Machine worked. Must be in the field lines, or attraction.

Any way will it work like we think on the same shaft ?

Cheers

[Jbignes5]

Well Well...

Yes this is a strange generator I did wonder how it would actually function
correctly. Going by the patent which is a little confusing, when the field coils
are energised alternately, the magnetic poles are caused to be progressively
moved through the field. However the generator armature rotates as a result
of the field coils being energised "at the same rate as the Exciter armature.

So the generator armature can rotate without being driven by it's shaft.
This means if you were to try to stop the armature shaft at this point
currents would be induced into the armature coils and transfered to the
motor. Which would cause it to operate. I think. If the motor was on the
same shaft as the generator the result would be interesting I imagine.





As for your theory after reading patent and the two snippets above I would
say that the radial electric field lines are creating magnetic field lines
wherever the electric field line's are disturbed.
Even outside a toroidal core.

Thinking about it just confused me but I said it anyway, feel free to tell
me where you think i'm going wrong. I reserve the right to be wrong.
I thought I understood your drawing as the center can be a cross section
of the core.

I'm not sure now how your theory relate's now but it's obvious Tesla's
Machine worked. Must be in the field lines, or attraction.

Any way will it work like we think on the same shaft ?

Cheers

To clear up the confusion if you have a core, the core shorts out the magnetic field lines and only electric filed lines radiate from the core. Since the electric field lines are not attracted to the iron or ferrite core they act normally. Well there is a little interaction of the magnetic to the electric at that point but it doesn't amount to much.

Onto the design. Yeah it works and yes you got it partly right. When Tesla referred to the generator module he was saying that it could act like a motor if the rotor core was shorted. You are right about the electric field being the only field lines outside of the core of the field coils of the generator. It is the same thing as the Steorn project but this one does not use magnets. Magnets are stable "locked in" magnetic and electric fields. His version auto regulates between all of the modules to balance the motor fields to the load. Weather that load is using the motive or spinning power or if you use power taken from where he shows the generator compensates and the power is supplied either way.

The reason he used a fan to cool the motor is because with air flow comes fresh network connections to replenish what you take out. The pole projections he refers to are actually radiated electric field lines from the copper wire wound around the core. Each wire radiates the electric field lines but the magnetic field lines are pulled into the core. You can imagine the amount and shape of the electric field lines being a bumpy screw like texture following the lines of the coils around the core. These lines I suspect move in a screw like fashion because of the coil over the core. Kinda like this but in reverse:



The small pinion gear that is round is actually inside the generator but straight lines go around it. Now around the coil on the outside or field coils the gearing(field) is slanted. This I suspect is the progressive shifting as he told it.

See if that helps to understand it.

Upon further thinking about this I have to recant about the core doing anything but containing the magnetic field. The more coil you have the more grip this would have on the rotor. As per his design you will see that there are a great many teeth to the gear on the out side. In fact to limit slip and hold the rotor in perfect balance he used a double gearing on the out side. One on either side of the rotor. with two pairs alternately holding moving then letting the rotor go. Hence the double sign wave or two circuits.

Wow this is making more sense to me every day. Thanks for letting me get this out of my head. It has been there for quite some time and only now have I put the finishing touches on the explanation.

[Farmhand]

Guitar Strings

Those strings in that video are completely wild. Awesome footage ! I see what you mean.

In the second link of mine. Tesla says the magnetic poles are shifted through
the field. It's like the electric field does the work, but the magnetic
intensities still shift through the core and the electric field.
Do the electric field lines protrude into the core aswell ? Like all round the
wire's.

I don't think he means the armature coils need to be shorted to have the
armature turn by the exiter. I think he is just pointing out that no currents
would flow if they were shorted.

Yes it is good to toss the words back and forth.

I'll do some more reading again. Maybe it will tell me something different this
time. I'll keep in mind your post while I do it.



Oh yeah did you notice the objects in this video that come into view about the 1.10 min mark !
YouTube - Stan Meyers Estate Water Fuel Cell #1.flv

[Jbignes5]

Absolutely what I was talking about.

Wow I have never seen that video before, excellent find! Those coils are the based off of the same tech yes. The spacers (white paper like inserts) are to separate the individual coils. Each separation would have a complementary other to balance the fields. That looks like a 20 to 30 coil set. Now each of the wires in a set radiate the electric field and not the magnetic field since the magnetic field would be contained in the core. This would be like taking a bunch of circles and chopping off the top 1/3 or so of the circle and placing them next to one another. The electric fields do in fact move down the wire. If you can imagine this would make the pinion gear example I referred to earlier. It has a greater force because the field lines of the electric field are following the wires path since they radiate out of the wires and the wires are wrapped around the core so the electric field is screwing around the core and will cause motion in the rotor windings because it both generates and pushes the rotor at the same time. You just want the electric field in this case to interact with each other because the magnetic fields would be in between the core and rotor in concentric circles within that area if they were present.

Remember the magnetic field is attracted to the iron or ferrite but the electric field only reacts to the same kind of field. In fact I am starting to think that aluminum is to the electric field as iron is to the magnetic field. I'm still working on that concept.

[mikrovolt]

What appears to be a large circular heavy duty coil of sorts.
possibly one of his earliest patents, a generator of sorts has simularity.

When stan first gets the dune buggy to run on hydrogen I briefly see a wooden box shaped
object off to the side but it is hard to say from a movie.

In the patent drawing is an illustrasion showing it is motor driven

I went to canadian patent site and searched by patent number 1213671
Number Search

or simply

http://brevets-patents.ic.gc.ca/opic-cipo/cpd/eng/patent/1213671/page/1213671_19930707_drawings.pdf

http://brevets-patents.ic.gc.ca/opic-cipo/cpd/eng/patent/1213671/page/1213671_20031101_description.pdf

[Farmhand]

What appears to be a large circular heavy duty coil of sorts.
possibly one of his earliest patents, a generator of sorts has simularity.

Hi mikrovolt, Thanks for taking part here, it would be good to find the patents
relating to those coils. And the VIC coil as well. I'm not very successfull at finding
Patents but I like to read them. It's frustrating to me, if anyone does locate any
patents they might think are relevent , please post a link.

Stan did patent everything he could I think and he outlined his reason. Which
was to make the tech. legal so he could make money for the purpose of
doing good, of course.

So the patents should be out there somewhere I hope.

Jbignes, I keep seeing those Bass Guitar strings in my head all day
This will be the fourth major project I have going on at different stages.

Which is good because if I can't continue on one project for some reason
I can maybe make some progress on another. Also these things are kind of all
related in some way or another so learning something new about one thing
can help to understand another thing a little better sometimes a lot better.

Just one thing. Do you mean to say the electric field line's themselves move
or that the field line's appear or propagate from one end of the coil to the other,
which causes a push. I would go with the latter, that new field lines appear a
bit further along the line as the coil is energised. And that this causes the
push, however the main thing to realise is that the electric field lines are the
force at play. I may be wrong on that point aswell. Or maybe I am
missinterpereting what you said. Either way I see what you mean. Effectively.

Cheers

[mikrovolt]

doing a search of stan meyer patents


List of Stanley Meyer patents | MERLib.org

using a free patent search engine enter the patent number.

I think possibly the patent was doing something like below , that is it used mutiphase as a means to improve conversion efficiency.

YouTube - New 6-Phase Power Converter Boosts Efficiency

[Farmhand]

doing a search of stan meyer patents


List of Stanley Meyer patents | MERLib.org

using a free patent search engine enter the patent number.

I think possibly the patent was doing something like below , that is it used mutiphase as a means to improve conversion efficiency.

YouTube - New 6-Phase Power Converter Boosts Efficiency

This is the one we want to find.

Electrical particle generator, take a look at the extract.

CA Patent 1213671 - ELECTRICAL PARTICLE GENERATOR

MEYER STANLEY A
AbstractAbstract of CA1213671 ELECTRICAL PARTICLE GENERATOR An electrical particle generator comprising a non-magnetic pipe in a closed loop having a substantial amount of magnetized particles encapsulated therein. A magnetic accelerator assembly positioned on said pipe having an inductive primary winding and a low voltage input to said winding. A secondary winding positioned on said pipe opposite to said primary winding. Upon voltage being applied to said primary winding said magnetized particles are passed through said magnetic accelerator assembly with increased velocity. The velocity accelerated particles continuing through said pipe induce an electrical voltage/current potential as they pass through the secondary winding. The increased secondary voltage is utilized in an amplifier arrangement

Sounds like a useful bit of kit.

Cheers

[Jbignes5]

The key there...

This is the one we want to find.

Electrical particle generator, take a look at the extract.

CA Patent 1213671 - ELECTRICAL PARTICLE GENERATOR



Sounds like a useful bit of kit.

Cheers

Remember it says non magnetic for the container. Thats the key so the electric field is pushed into the core of that tube.


As far as the lines moving I really think it goes this way. The lines propagate or move along the wires because the wire does not energize fully along the length of the wire. Other things cause this to happen. Resistance and field interactions from the core slow that process down. Lets take a pulse for example. The wire does not energize fully along all the wire when we pulse it. At one point in the wire with a constant voltage it would have a different value then at another point down the line. This is the reason Tesla coils work the way they do. At one end it has the source voltage level. But at the other end it is multiples of magnitude higher. When lines form at the source end they are rather weak and thin and gain in strength as they are pulled by the higher potential of the end of the coil. So the lines will grow and move along the wires as they move around the coil twords the end of the coil. This action makes a corkscrew motion from low potential to high potential. This can be seen in corona discharges but there is a difference because there is no loops in that type of discharges. When you add the coil action it changes also adding a core changes it further. Each time you add a component it adds a certain amount of organization to the lines. With enough organization you can do a lot of work with very little actual input if the system is designed to take advantage of the organization you provided.

What I have seen is that most builders are still hanging onto the old style of making motors and energy generation and refuse to see that there is another half to the field in use. This is why they are lacking in unity or even over unity. Bedini tried to show everyone that. Others have tried as well but most think that they can convert what we are using to another form by modifying the motor and yes it will help but it will not address the problem of unity.

Hopefully other will see that we must recognize and use the other field in the proper way in order to break the shackles that the old way has on our thinking. Anything in this world that doesn't make sense to us is obviously based on what we are refusing to look at. The electric field is the answer to our questions and hopefully we have the wisdom to experiment and explore this field fully like the other field has been.

jbignes5

[Farmhand]

Hi Jbignes5,

As far as the lines moving I really think it goes this way. The lines propagate or move along the wires because the wire does not energize fully along the length of the wire. Other things cause this to happen. Resistance and field interactions from the core slow that process down. Lets take a pulse for example. The wire does not energize fully along all the wire when we pulse it. At one point in the wire with a constant voltage it would have a different value then at another point down the line. This is the reason Tesla coils work the way they do. At one end it has the source voltage level. But at the other end it is multiples of magnitude higher. When lines form at the source end they are rather weak and thin and gain in strength as they are pulled by the higher potential of the end of the coil. So the lines will grow and move along the wires as they move around the coil twords the end of the coil. This action makes a corkscrew motion from low potential to high potential. This can be seen in corona discharges but there is a difference because there is no loops in that type of discharges. When you add the coil action it changes also adding a core changes it further. Each time you add a component it adds a certain amount of organization to the lines. With enough organization you can do a lot of work with very little actual input if the system is designed to take advantage of the organization you provided.

What you say above makes sense, I wasn't thinking pulses either. But yes I understand now.

That EPL thing is funny lookin it ssems to have 1 or 2 thick wire's around the centre of the ring the corckscrew wind around the tube is the secondary, I think. I can see the big primary rings around the inside. wow

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, maybe you have seen this, it looks very interesting and it does not appear to have an input. Though maybe an input is briefly applied like lasersabers setup. It looks like those are many small ferrite rings with two wires inserted through the rings and one wire is shorted upon itself and other wire is connected to capacitor and load is across capacitor. In another video he uses 25 wire turns through ferrite rings and one primary wire.

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peace love light
Tyson

[Jbignes5]

These are very interesting video's....

Nice find. These are a great example of what I have been saying. Lets take the Jacobs ladder one for instance. The thread is visible because of all the potential of the wire shorts out. As the thread moves up the Jacob's ladder it spreads causing the voltage to rise just like in the static capacitors MIT video. The only reason the thread in this case is visible is because all the threads come together at the strongest point then shoot away from that point twords the higher potential of the wider space. Watch the scope and it tells you all about what is happening. As the thread moves upwards it is raising it's frequency and shape of the waveform.

As for the coil it is somewhat different from what I have been describing but it should work on the same principle of the two fields. In our case we have a core that keeps the magnetic field separate from the electric field. But it is none the less important to see the video's you have shown us. Thanks.

[Jbignes5]

Hi Jbignes5,


What you say above makes sense, I wasn't thinking pulses either. But yes I understand now.

That EPL thing is funny lookin it ssems to have 1 or 2 thick wire's around the centre of the ring the corckscrew wind around the tube is the secondary, I think. I can see the big primary rings around the inside. wow

Well I did describe it in both pulses and constant pressure. But the pulses allow us to see it better. Just like a coil bounces back with a inrush of external fields the space of air does the same. The potential only moves the field outwards but when that field is gone it rebounds with all the slight pressure of the environment. Trust me that might sound small but think about it for a second. Imagine the pressure it could create if the supporting structure was suddenly removed from let say a skyscraper. The tower would seem like it sat there for a second then bam! All hell breaks loose. The potential alone that was inside the electric field would be crushed from every conceivable angle you could think about. I suspect this is the very reason one sees 400-100,000 volts from such collapses. That's a little conservative but you get my point.

This could only happen from a magnetic field that we initiate trough the electromagnetic conversion process of a coil. I also think that the field coils of the generator should be thick and heavy copper. You want resistance too. Because it makes the lines squeeze, in a sense, out of the wires. They don't actually squeeze out but it sure would look like it if we could see them. A good analogy would be a garden hose with many many holes in it. Evenly spaced the length of the hose. When you crimp the hose and give the water resistance the water squeezes out of the little holes due to back pressure.

To get back to my point. These lines are borrowed from the environment and line up twords the wires in the coil. The lines are mobile because they are actually made up of quantities of super fine particles and the static energy they carry on their surface. Their shape determines how they move and I suggest they are crystaline in nature meaning a geometric shape. Probably the best shape for these particles are pyramidal in shape. This way they have zero resistance moving forward as opposed to the flat base. The base in most respects has to be the charge carrier or storage due to fluid dynamics we know it would shield the energy on the rear surface. On the other hand the forward section is the static generator because it plows through the medium which has a very low density fluid composition.

The funny thing is I started to think this way and everything I looked at made sense then. Tornado's for instance is not a pressure incident but is actually matter being attracted to a super string that is connected to the potential of our planets core. With all that molten everything in there, it only makes sense that there is a huge amount of rubbing going on inside of there. Tons of static must be present. So if you go way back up to my post where I have the picture of the ball with radiating lines out of it you will see that if the lines are locked onto the core potential then the lines will move through the crust and yes exert some of their strength in moving the planet and extend out to space. These lines can bunch up and then these are super strings of these lines. In masses these lines can affect matter. So one can see how it could effect the air molecules to move the way a tornado does. The twisting is because laterally these lines are weaker then longitudinally. That means they hold well from the length but are easy to bend to an extent.

Tesla figured out how to make them rigid! Thats by using very High potentials. This allows the strings to strengthen instantly and a good analogy to that would be the beads and string experiment. Just a string and some beads. Tie one knot in the end of the string and string the beads up. Just hold onto the first bead and pull the string. In this case the potential is the pressure you pull the string with. Watch what happens if your beads are round or even square or try little pyramids and see what happens. I have already done that part. You need to try that it will show you more then what I can tell you. Another interesting experiment is now try little magnets along the same lines. If you do it right and put them tip to base they stick together but what happens when you put them base to base or south to south. It's hard to get the mags in that shape but let me tell you it sure surprised me.

It is great to see others here contributing. I hope more come as well. We have a lot of bright people on here and I would love to chat in a constructive manner about this subject.