Joule Ringer!

[jehdds]

wind a shorted coil like Eds pmh under your super joule ringer, bring the aether to you.
dave

Dave,
Thank you. Could you help be a bit more specific, I am new to this.
Point me in the correct direction. Eds pmh is found in what thread?

Very Best Regards,
Jim

[Dave45]

wind a shorted coil like Eds pmh under your super joule ringer, bring the aether to you.
dave

[jehdds]

Try a higher voltage cap out. I have had some long runs on 200-400v low uF caps.

Does this extended ringing help or detract from efficiency?
Should we shoot to increase the time that the circuit rings after removal of power source as a means to fine tune it even more?
Thank you again.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[LaserSaber]

Is it normal to have the circuit continue to RING for 30 seconds upon removal of power source if the cap is a 100uF 50V cap?

Try a higher voltage cap out. I have had some long runs on 200-400v low uF caps.

[jehdds]

Here is the modified Lasersaber Circuit showing the LED on at 3uA.
the 2222 Tranny is better than the larger one I used last night.
Modified Lasersaber Toroid oscillator - YouTube
If anyone else finds the dual toroid more efficient please advise.
Is it normal to have the circuit continue to RING for 30 seconds upon removal of power source if the cap is a 100uF 50V cap?
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[ehsanco1062]

Originally Posted by Allen Burgess
@Dave45,

While it's true that an electric field can transfer power between coils, it is also true that the electric field can be TRANSFORMED into magnetic flux, and back again into an electric field. Magnatisem and electricity are different forces. Hence the term "Transformer". There is no force transformation involved between coils. Tansfer of energy by electric field between coils is called INDUCTION.

Hi allen well explained
from c tap 0 0 shorted by 2 opposing diodes looped 3 times on a ring magnet on top transformer then to a toroid attached to the ring magnet then to the pos source
put one alligaor clip to collector and the other end just magnetized by the toroid/ magnet

Hi totoalas
its good to see you making all these good stuff but I appriciate if you can post a schematic so we can understand it butter.

good luck

Ehsan

[totoalas]

@Totoalas,

We all wonder if the charge is any good, or like the lead acid battery I sent to the dumps that read 12.73 volts but was too weak to even beep my car horn. Maybe you can test it and see if it lights any bulbs? Awesome achievement if so, congratulations!

Hi Allen,
Ive tested the battery with car dc fan from 11.8 down to 7.,6 a when its on for 1 minute the when isolated the batt voltage slowly climb back to 11 . 8
need to do more tests
JOULE Ringer Charging Effect 230212 - YouTube
thanks

totoalas

[kcarring]

Hi Guys,
Just Jim from the Bedini Earth Cell thread.
Quick question.
I placed two toroid chokes in parallel but out of phase coil wise facing each other. So this is a variant on what Lasersaber recently showed etc.
Is it routine to see a 10mm LED be "ON" and not blinking at 20uA? I have built a few variants but this seems to work well. If this is to be expected I appreciate your knowledge.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

HEy Jim!

I take it you are running it on an crystal battery...
When it is running, what is the loaded voltage of the cell?
Of course these numbers are probably false, is your meter RMS>
But nonetheless, it can give you some indication of the power used. It looks good.

One problem "I suspect"... witht he whole lasersaber video is that anytime you run an LED "underpowered" - you get X lumens, let's say. Or a reading on a LUX meter. Then, if you run that same LED at manufactors typical operating conditions, let's say 3.2V @ 25 mA, you get Y lumens or a "Y LUX reading".

What is the relationship, is it linear? Or.. do we get a disproportionate amount of LUX for an underpowered situation. How efficient is the power use. In Lasersabers video, he shows the conventional run on the LED with 2.99 voltas, if I am remembering correctly. That is below typical.

I am going to buy a LUX meter myself and play with it.

I suspect, possibly that the LUX output, for a given input, is not linear, and we may see a huge jump during that last bit of input; in other words - take a look at the LUX / power relationship, right up to specs.

Cheers

[kcarring]

Carring,

Your "Wimpy" schematics should have one more mistake - the PWM MOSFET diode has been reversed. I have replicated it and could not get it to work unless I connected the anode of the diode to the MOSFET gate and cathode to pin 7 of 555.

Your circuit is awesome~ My replication is able to light a 3W LED bulb with 12V@60mA with about half brightness. Minimum idle current is 30mA while it is 100mA without the PWM control.

Cheers
hajame

Hi! I haven't played with this in a while - it's actually running a lamp in the chicken coop LOL On a 100 ft. run.

If you got it working your way, great! It's one of those circuits best done up in a metal case with fuse protection, let's face it - if I hooked it up, fire is always an option. LOL Best be safe. Mine hasn't burnt up though.

One thing...

I ended up using 1% resistors on the FETs and went through a bunch to match them. I also made sure I used exact lengths of similar gauge wire on the whole inverter hookup. And I matched capcitors too. It's actually not a very good inverter - in that the whole thing is a balancing act, and current can favor one side over the other, heating up one FET. There is no protection on those FETs either - another boo boo.

Something to try.. (I never did, but was curious, if you do, let me know).

Try rectifying the output of the end of the ac run, then measure what the DC volts are, and matching (raw) LEDs.. see if that is more efficient than using a commercial bulb that relies on it's own step down or capacitive/reactive current control. You might get better brilliance that way.

Cheers.

Kyle

[jehdds]

Hi Guys,
Just Jim from the Bedini Earth Cell thread.
Quick question.
I placed two toroid chokes in parallel but out of phase coil wise facing each other. So this is a variant on what Lasersaber recently showed etc.
Is it routine to see a 10mm LED be "ON" and not blinking at 20uA? I have built a few variants but this seems to work well. If this is to be expected I appreciate your knowledge.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[totoalas]

@Totoalas,

There are four ways to hook two diodes up to the center tap: One; the two in series end to end. Two, the two in parallel, side by side, or Three Avmarenko style, the two diodes side by side but inverted to one another. Are you using any of these configurations, or the fourth, a co-joined Avmarenko ?

As for the fourth: The center tap attaches to the positive pole of the battery as in all Xee2's circuits. I imagine you have one diode running from the positive pole of the battery to the center tap, then a second diode reversed, running from the center tap back to the positive or negative battery pole? Sounds like you simply twisted two reverse faceing diodes together at each end and positioned them between the positive battery electrode and the center tap. This is my best guess.

The negative pole charging effect indicates that there may be no amperage at all looping back. Perhaps merely pure ground scouring radiant BEMF voltage alone.

We all wonder if the charge is any good, or like the lead acid battery I sent to the dumps that read 12.73 volts but was too weak to even beep my car horn. Maybe you can test it and see if it lights any bulbs? Awesome achievement if so, congratulations!

Originally Posted by Allen Burgess
@Dave45,

While it's true that an electric field can transfer power between coils, it is also true that the electric field can be TRANSFORMED into magnetic flux, and back again into an electric field. Magnatisem and electricity are different forces. Hence the term "Transformer". There is no force transformation involved between coils. Tansfer of energy by electric field between coils is called INDUCTION.

Hi allen well explained
from c tap 0 0 shorted by 2 opposing diodes looped 3 times on a ring magnet on top transformer then to a toroid attached to the ring magnet then to the pos source
put one alligaor clip to collector and the other end just magnetized by the toroid/ magnet

[Allen Burgess]

@Totoalas,

There are four ways to hook two diodes up to the center tap: One; the two in series end to end. Two, the two in parallel, side by side, or Three Avmarenko style, the two diodes side by side but inverted to one another. Are you using any of these configurations, or the fourth, a co-joined Avmarenko ?

As for the fourth: The center tap attaches to the positive pole of the battery as in all Xee2's circuits. I imagine you have one diode running from the positive pole of the battery to the center tap, then a second diode reversed, running from the center tap back to the positive or negative battery pole? Sounds like you simply twisted two reverse faceing diodes together at each end and positioned them between the positive battery electrode and the center tap. This is my best guess.

The negative pole charging effect indicates that there may be no amperage at all looping back. Perhaps merely pure ground scouring radiant BEMF voltage alone.

We all wonder if the charge is any good, or like the lead acid battery I sent to the dumps that read 12.73 volts but was too weak to even beep my car horn. Maybe you can test it and see if it lights any bulbs? Awesome achievement if so, congratulations!

[totoalas]

@totoalas

Could you please post a schematic of exactly how you have your circuit hooked up? Your description of it is a little hard for me to understand. You are saying something about hooking diodes from the center tap to the plus or minus of the battery. If you can post the schematic it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Carroll

Hi Carrol,
the transformer out put have two coils 110 0 0 110 two diodes are hooked @ the center tap and goes to the pos or neg os source battery

the outer coils are connected in parallel with the lamp load

totoalas

[citfta]

Schematic please

@totoalas

Could you please post a schematic of exactly how you have your circuit hooked up? Your description of it is a little hard for me to understand. You are saying something about hooking diodes from the center tap to the plus or minus of the battery. If you can post the schematic it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Carroll

[totoalas]

Super j OU le Ringer Voltage Rising 2 300212


Standing voltage without circuit connection
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with circuit connected for 5 minutes
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http://youtu.be/WKxngeDQWjo

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Voltage rising without load that means if the lamps are off the batteries are charging

Joule Ringer charging without load 300212 - YouTube

update @13 30 210212 dc volatge reading without load is 11. 75

totoalas