Edison battery

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Cheaper ones

Here are smaller and less costly batteries.

Small Sized NiFe Samples 10AH @ 1.2 volts
(for Educational and Industrial Battery Researchers)
Newly manufactured samples of nickel iron cells nominally 1.2 (one point two volts) available for $50 each including shipping within North America to researchers. These samples are filled with freshly mixed electrolyte but are shipped with the electrolyte moved to a high pressure plastic bottle. This service is being offered only to battery researchers. Charging and maintenance instructions shipped with each and technical assistance is available. For those that want to mix their own electrolyte the charge is $40.

Please write to Ian Soutar of Microsec R&D Inc ... [email protected]

This information was found at:nickel iron battery information

[isoutar]

Others using Nickel Iron Batteries for Solar or Wind

These batteries have been reported to last over 80 years and are said to be useful for solar storeage
http://www.lizardfire.com/hydroxy/Th...ge_Battery.pdf

I am currently using 200 amp hours of Nickel Iron Batteries purchased from Changhong Batteries in China. There are 700 watts of panels on my roof and the 200 amp hours consists of 22 cells to produce nominally 26.4 volts. These are used to power LED lighting that uses a constant current source. The house lighting is a constant brightness from 18 volts to 40 volts. The Nickel Iron batteries when fully charged are about 35 volts and can discharge right to zero volts without damage. I am using a maximum power point Outback charge controller which can be set up to support nickel iron voltages.

I also know that KiPoint of Taiwan is willing to make inverters especially for Nickel Iron voltages. I am using DC only power but I thought I would mention that in case someone needs to find an inverter for Edison Cell or Nickel Iron systems.

Are there others out there using them? I would like to share experiences.

Here is the Nickel iron Battery Association site ...
nickel iron battery information

Ian Soutar
Vancouver Island BC
Canada

[isoutar]

Nickel Iron Battery Samples

Here are smaller and less costly batteries.

Small Sized NiFe Samples 10AH @ 1.2 volts
(for Educational and Industrial Battery Researchers)
Newly manufactured samples of nickel iron cells nominally 1.2 (one point two volts) available for $50 each including shipping within North America to researchers. These samples are filled with freshly mixed electrolyte but are shipped with the electrolyte moved to a high pressure plastic bottle. This service is being offered only to battery researchers. Charging and maintenance instructions shipped with each and technical assistance is available. For those that want to mix their own electrolyte the charge is $40.

Please write to Ian Soutar of Microsec R&D Inc ... [email protected]

This information was found at:nickel iron battery information

I am the person selling the batteries on the Nickel Iron Battery Assocation site. I will give them away to experimental projects that are worthy.

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Thanks Isoutar

What is your view of using pre 2000 Canadian quarters as nickel plates ? Also,
found on the captret thread - "aluminum foam", if this process were applied to
nickel, one would think, you could get a cheaper, and possibly more efficient
type of nickel plate fror the Edison battery.

http://www.helmholtz-berlin.de/media...anhart2000.pdf

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[IndianaBoys]

What is your view of using pre 2000 Canadian quarters as nickel plates ? Also,
found on the captret thread - "aluminum foam", if this process were applied to
nickel, one would think, you could get a cheaper, and possibly more efficient
type of nickel plate fror the Edison battery.

http://www.helmholtz-berlin.de/media...anhart2000.pdf

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FRC,

Can you re-post the above link as it does not work.

Thanks,

IndianaBoys

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Capret Perpetual

I got it from the Capret Perpetual thread and it worked from there. I will try
and find exactly where it was again.


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post

I don't know if this will work. It was Post # 576 by Jbignes5 on page 20.


Quote:

Yeah this is an issue..
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibpointless2 View Post
Once again i'm not dealing with diodes or rectifiers. The Wiki says that they used same plates as rectifiers in AC currents and in lighting arrestors. My Water Captrets have polarization which makes them batteries and not diodes. The mystery is that why does the same metal plates put in the same water give us voltage?

The Captrets and Water captrets are batteries, that for some odd reason last a good amount of time even when left shorted out for days. The mystery has nothing to do with diodes but the battery effect.
The term diode in my opinion is only a directional thing when dealing with polarities. The only reason I brought it up again was to prove the point that size difference in the plates is the reason for the diode effect. The diode effect is in fact a surface area relation to each plate submersed in the medium (water). Not oxides or anything else since we are using only water in this case and not an electrolytic. This proves they were wrong about what creates the polarity and "Virtual" diode. It is all about the surface area you present to the medium. Everything else is mere coincidence and in most cases causes the destruction of the plates.

Lets narrow this down and do comprehensive tests with real numbers to show this effect better. Make your plate sizes very accurate and record the voltages to see if there is a correlation between the surface area and the difference when compared to each plate. Lets try to rule out these alternate explanations and focus on the real event.

My guess is that Tesla was absolutely right about surface area relations between two plates and the medium it is in. One avenue of discovery could be making the surface area in the extreme sense by shredding the aluminum and mixing it with an more material to still allow a flow of the water to each plate and keep the connected conductivity of the shredded material. This was done in the case of the Edison batteries by putting the material in a steel tube with many many perforations in the tubes walls. This could also be done on the nano scale if we could get real scientists to see the value of such a process. This would open up much more capabilities of the aluminum to present it's enhanced surface area to the medium (water). Maybe there is a process that would turn the aluminum into a sponge like plate with tremendous amount of surface area to get a better effect.

Actually they have done the foam type aluminum already. Check this out. Pay attention to 15 and 21 of the uses this stuff has...

aluminium foam

And this one tells about the process. It also says that it can be used for other materials as well.

http://www.helmholtz-berlin.de/media...anhart2000.pdf

Last edited by Jbignes5 : 12-30-2010 at 12:52 PM.

[IndianaBoys]

FRC,

For whatever reason, the link you posted did not paste completely.

Here is the link:

http://www.helmholtz-berlin.de/media/media/spezial/people/banhart/html/A-Journals/a043_banhart2000.pdf

IndianaBoys

[Jbignes5]

yup that was me...

Hopefully this will be a better link for you to read about metal foam.

aluminium foam

Dang the link went dead... Whats the deal??

Ok wikipedia to the rescue!

Metal foam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The open cell version should do...

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Karpen

Here is an interesting link from Karpen thread. Where nickel and platinum can be
used as electrodes. This Karpen battery has similarities to the Edison Battery.

Vasilesco KARPEN : Electric Pile -- Article & French Patent -- a "perpetual motion" thermoelectric transformer that has operated continuously over 50 years.

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[kcarring]

What would happen if we took this technology a step further?

Have you read Edison's process in detail? He spent over a million dollars (in his time!) perfecting the process. Read the 1914 book it's very interesting.

I just finished my first test run. iron strapping and nickel screen (about $17 a square ft) with deposition (home made electroplating).

They say you should get 1.2 volts but I'm getting 1.14-1.15.

I have amassed a ton of Canadian nickels (Why not they worth 11c at the price of nickel).

The challenge, quite the contrary to the above quote, is to come anywhere near Edison's density. He failed for years until he perfected it, it's quite the read actually.

Nickelic III oxide is the best bet for Americans. Buy it from a Pottery supply firm. You can buy iron oxide too. Do multiple depositions with alkali washes.

I am sandwiching three screens together, with the outermost screens having a larger "grid hole size" if you will to let the NaOH permeate the inner layer.

I am using microfibre, a polymer extremely high thread count, fluffless high tech shop rag, basically as my isolator. I'm going with additional iron strapping on the outsides so i will have more iron plates than nickel plates.

My test battery runs 1.15v but only holds a charge for 2 weeks. Hopefully it shouldnt matter much for solar.

All in all, I'm not terribly optimistic, I'm afraid to say. I estimate I will have 25% power to mass density of a commercial product, my cells will be massive. Not anything you'd use in an EV or anywhere that weight was a concern.

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kcarring

I have a few questions:

!. Where do you get the nickel screen ? (a couple years ago I was having trouble trying to find fine brass screen to try to fix a propane heater)

2. What is the name of the 1914 book for the Edison process ?

3. What do you mean by iron strapping ?

4. Are the Canadian nickels pre 1981 ? I read somewhere that 100 nickels
weigh exactly one pound $5.00 face value, and that the Canadian mint was
trying to get the pre 1981's back out of circulation because of their value.

The information was at this site:

Kitco - Gold Precious Metals - Buy Gold Sell Gold, Silver, Platinum - Charts, Graphs, Prices, Quotes, Gold Stocks, Mining Stocks, bullion dealers


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[kcarring]

I have a few questions:

!. Where do you get the nickel screen ? (a couple years ago I was having trouble trying to find fine brass screen to try to fix a propane heater)
>> uniquewire.com

ITEM INFORMATION
Item: Nickel 200
Mesh (Wires/Inch): 60 x 60 Weave Type: Plain
Wire Diameter 0.007" Price: $22.93 per Square Foot

2. What is the name of the 1914 book for the Edison process ?

>>(you'll need to create a user account & then login to see a download link)
The Edison Alkaline Storage Battery : Edison Storage Battery Company : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

3. What do you mean by iron strapping ?
>> https://www.plumbersstock.com/produc...artNumber=8435

4. Are the Canadian nickels pre 1981 ? I read somewhere that 100 nickels
weigh exactly one pound $5.00 face value, and that the Canadian mint was
trying to get the pre 1981's back out of circulation because of their value.

>>Yes, correct. I buy $100 worth of nickels from the bank, sort through them and get about 17% pre 1981 which are 99.9% nickel. If you had a MIG welder, which i don't, you could weld them together but they are awfully thick for a battery plate.

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Hope that helps.
Cheers

[kcarring]

There is a 40g screen that I bought that was a bit cheaper, but honestly, don't bother. Don't do what I did. Buy a as close to normal steel screen as you can for both electrodes. Deposite nickel from nickelic oxide (the black stuff) on one screen, several passes. This is to grossly increase your surface area and change its composition. Once done, do a very long bake to anneal. This is to stop it from flaking. Then, on your metal screen, electroplate with iron oxide.
Cheaper and your mass differential will be better you'll probably get higher volts than i did.

[kcarring]

also - dont buy that strap from the link i sent that was just for a visual, that is galvanized stuff. Zinc makes poor batteries, it flakes and migrates - it has its own version of "sulphation" if you will, it's own problem. Only one company that I am aware of in California has recently figured out the dilemna with Zinc. Aluminum and zinc only make good batteries if they are air batteries, and then, they are disposable. Steel screen is probably your cheapest best bet for a no process (other than the electroplating) route. If you could get iron screen - it'd be better but nothing is made of iron anymore, it rusts quickly so it is very industry undesirable except in the wrought iron industries. Chemical clean your screen and do iron oxide deposition with about 12v